Thousands may have been exposed to coronavirus on Princess cruise ship; 62 passengers confined

[trixare4kids]

Thousands of people on Princess Cruises' Grand Princess may have been exposed to coronavirus after sailing with 62 passengers who company officials say had previously been on a voyage with a man who eventually died from the virus.

A 71-year-old man from California died from coronavirus after sailing on the Grand Princess on a cruise from San Francisco that visited Mexico from Feb. 11 through Feb. 21. Health officials in Placer County, where the man died, said he was "likely exposed" to the virus on board the Grand Princess.

The 62 passengers who may have come in contact with the man who died are now being confined to their staterooms on board, by order of the CDC. The ship was on its way to Mexico from a Hawaiian port, according to CruiseMapper.

But the cruise line has ordered the ship to re-route to San Francisco, where it is expected to arrive Thursday afternoon

"Thousands may have been exposed to coronavirus on Princess cruise ship; 62 passengers confined"
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First of all, my condolences to the man who passed away and my best wishes to anyone who came in contact with this gentleman. Apparently, the 62 now in quarantine sailed with the gentleman during a preceding cruise in February; 11h thru 21st. The sixty two passengers are recurrent sailors, and stayed on the ship for the next cruise, the one they are on now.

This is the second Princess cruise that has been sidetracked by the virus.

IMO, good response by Princess to reroute the ship to San Francisco rather than take it to the next planned port in MX. Gov. Gavin Newsom said the ship initially won't be permitted to dock. Makes sense.

 

[Cardinal]

Unfortunately, this outbreak is pretty much everywhere at this point, and the long incubation period means we won’t be feeling the real effects for a couple weeks to a month. And we won’t have hard data for who was infected and who died of that infection for a long time to come.

 

[Parrish]

Unfortunately, this outbreak is pretty much everywhere at this point, and the long incubation period means we won’t be feeling the real effects for a couple weeks to a month. And we won’t have hard data for who was infected and who died of that infection for a long time to come.

And it'll be back in the fall.

 

[trixare4kids]

Unfortunately, this outbreak is pretty much everywhere at this point, and the long incubation period means we won’t be feeling the real effects for a couple weeks to a month. And we won’t have hard data for who was infected and who died of that infection for a long time to come.

As far as planning for a vacation in the future, people should go ahead but I recommend buying travel insurance.
We took a trip to Fl. a couple of weeks ago, but we didn't have as much to worry about as we do now.
We recently booked an upcoming Reno trip to see our granddaughter from Portland play in a volleyball tournament there. Got travel insurance for that one just in case, but mostly we are staying close to home and are doing our usual stuff not during peak hours of the day.

 

[joko104]

And it'll be back in the fall.

It's here now and it's going to stick around.

 

[Chomsky]

Unfortunately, this outbreak is pretty much everywhere at this point, and the long incubation period means we won’t be feeling the real effects for a couple weeks to a month. And we won’t have hard data for who was infected and who died of that infection for a long time to come.

"A coupe of weeks"? "A month"? No way.

Virus spreading is an exponential function. It will continue to go up - exponentially - until it hits maximum penetration, or something impedes its natural progress. That impediment could be summer heat (if it's seasonally effective), or severe counter-measures (like China used). We'll never do the severe & drastic lock-downs that China did, so we better hope the summer heat kills it (I suspect it may). Otherwise, exponential progression means this thing will be expanding for awhile.

 

[Cardinal]

"A coupe of weeks"? "A month"? No way.

Virus spreading is an exponential function. It will continue to go up - exponentially - until it hits maximum penetration, or something impedes its natural progress. That impediment could be summer heat (if it's seasonally effective), or severe counter-measures (like China used). We'll never do the severe & drastic lock-downs that China did, so we better hope the summer heat kills it (I suspect it may). Otherwise, exponential progression means this thing will be expanding for awhile.

I certainly don’t mean that a couple weeks to a month is when we’ll hit the peak, but when the real effects start to be felt. While we’ve been looking around and going “derp” every time a new infected person is made public, COVID-19 has been silently racing throughout the country. We have 150 known cases, and we won’t start to get a sense of what’s really happening for a month. And as I said, we won’t have actual stats for god knows how long.

 

[Chomsky]

I certainly don’t mean that a couple weeks to a month is when we’ll hit the peak, but when the real effects start to be felt. While we’ve been looking around and going “derp” every time a new infected person is made public, COVID-19 has been silently racing throughout the country. We have 150 known cases, and we won’t start to get a sense of what’s really happening for a month. And as I said, we won’t have actual stats for god knows how long.

Fair enough.

As for me, I think I know where we're going - full blown flu level penetration. I think the genie's out of the bottle & the die is cast. It will be lower than when the flu has the entire season to get going, since this thing got here late in the season. So instead of the usual 5-20% of the populous getting it, it might only be maybe 20% of that. But I'm pretty sure we're going seven figures. Hopefully it's seasonally affective, and the heat gets it - the sooner the better.

 

[Court Jester]

I never travel on cruise ships. Too many annoying people. Too many janky low life workers on those floating circus ships.

 

[Chomsky]

I never travel on cruise ships. Too many annoying people. Too many janky low life workers on those floating circus ships.

I'm with you. To be held captive to an itinerary out of my control, stuck with a crowd I may or may not like, confined to an area the size of a football field or two? No way! It sounds like misery & torture, too me. I'm blown-away that some enjoy that type of experience, but it's definitely not for me.

 

[Cardinal]

Fair enough.

As for me, I think I know where we're going - full blown flu level penetration. I think the genie's out of the bottle & the die is cast. It will be lower than when the flu has the entire season to get going, since this thing got here late in the season. So instead of the usual 5-20% of the populous getting it, it might only be maybe 20% of that. But I'm pretty sure we're going seven figures. Hopefully it's seasonally affective, and the heat gets it - the sooner the better.

What confuses me about the seasonality argument is the question of what temperature constitutes “warm.” We have COVID-19 in the Southwest, and it’s pretty warm now.

 

[Cardinal]

I'm with you. To be held captive to an itinerary out of my control, stuck with a crowd I may or may not like, confined to an area the size of a football field or two? No way! It sounds like misery & torture, too me. I'm blown-away that some enjoy that type of experience, but it's definitely not for me.

Sounds like hell on earth to me.

 

[Chomsky]

What confuses me about the seasonality argument is the question of what temperature constitutes “warm.” We have COVID-19 in the Southwest, and it’s pretty warm now.

Interesting point.

In response, I'm positing that when warm weather slows flu transmission - it may only slow the transmission that occurs from surface transmission, versus direct or close contact transmission.

In other words, you can still catch it readily from shaking hands, shared food or utensils, or direct contact with sneezing & coughing. But it may be more difficult to catch it when it lays on latent surfaces for some period of time, like on doorknobs or handrails.

The current (early) transmission method seems to be predominately from direct or near proximity contact, via people in the affected areas on planes, on ships, and in the same enclosed rooms. I'm positing here that eventually a large transmission method component will be by latent transmission, from contaminated surfaces and objects. It's this last transmission method that would seem to be most affected by seasonality.

But this is just a guess on my part. I'm no pathologist.

 

[Chomsky]

Sounds like hell on earth to me.

Give me a credit card, a free itinerary, and a free-spirited live-by-the-moment accommodating travelling partner (preferably of the opposite sex and attracted to me), and I have the makings of a dream vacation! The exact destination matters not, as long as it's culturally different!

I've had vacations like this before, and I love them. I pick a place, only making the first night's hotel reservation, and off-we-go to figure everything else out when we get there! First thing I do is hit a local neighborhood bar, and get the skinny from the locals on where they go to eat and hang-out and what they like to do in their city. I don't hesitate to buy a drink or two, to help the conversation flow.

I usually prefer to mix with the locals in their neighborhoods, immersing myself in the neighborhood culture, rather than doing the tourist attractions. I may do some noted tourist attractions, but I usually spend more time eating, drinking, and hanging-out with the locals. I like visiting local markets too, to scope-out the food & food culture.

So for me, a cruise ship - particularly one where the ship is the 'attraction' - hold little purpose nor appeal.

 

[Gondwanaland]

Meanwhile, with the Dip$hit In Chief:

Trump wants to keep people on coronavirus-hit Grand Princess cruise ship - Business Insider

"I like the numbers being where they are. I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault,"

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/...grand-princess-cruise-ship-coronavirus-2020-3