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Renae · Dec 6, 2008

Unrein said:
You must be confusing socialism for communism.

Nope. Cradle to grave nanny state socialism. Welfare for the poor, the lazy and the undeserving. All in return for their votes of course.

Unrein said:
Speak for yourself, please.

Oh you're greedy, but maybe not for "money" but there are things you want... the root of greed. Greed is excess for the sake of having. All humans, by nature, are greedy.

Unrein said:
Idiocy is mindlessly barking about ideals you understand only through propoganda.

So why do you do it?

Unrein said:
I agree. You must be one of those politically oblivious conservative puppets who think all socialism is exactly the same "Government I don't like rich people please tax them more?!?!" It isn't.

No, it's the easiest way to get the dumb dumbs to vote for you. The petty plea of vengence on supposed victimization. "you're poor because that CEO takes millions and you get just PENNIES!!"

It appeals to the weak minded.

It's nto as easy to make lazy people vote for you when your message is "Hey, we'll make sure you have the chance to succeed, but we won't save you if you do nothing" while the other guy is promising all sorts of goodies... health coverage, housing, pay checks...

Renae · Dec 6, 2008

winston53660 said:
Unless one has enough capital and let the capital work for them

What's wrong with that? If I earned 20-30 million, and was able to live comfortably off the interest, stock returns or hell, just live smart off of it.. why shouldn't I?

winston53660 · Dec 6, 2008

MrVicchio said:
What's wrong with that? If I earned 20-30 million, and was able to live comfortably off the interest, stock returns or hell, just live smart off of it.. why shouldn't I?

I did not say there was anything wrong with it. My family has been doing it for quite a while.

Renae · Dec 6, 2008

winston53660 said:
I did not say there was anything wrong with it. My family has been doing it for quite a while.

Good for ya'll I always like to hear about success in life!

winston53660 · Dec 6, 2008

MrVicchio said:
Good for ya'll I always like to hear about success in life!

I wouldn't exactly call inheriting money success. Anyhows we still like to work.

Renae · Dec 6, 2008

winston53660 said:
I wouldn't exactly call inheriting money success. Anyhows we still like to work.

Yes, but your family incurred that wealth, that you reap the benefit of their hard work is just success moving along. I have no problem with that what so ever.

Harshaw · Dec 9, 2008

NASA is an example of socialism? :shock:

Pinu7 · Dec 9, 2008

Harshaw said:
NASA is an example of socialism? :shock:

Yes it is a socialist program created by crybaby tree-hugging Marxist liberals.

Seriously, Vic, just because you make less money doesn't mean your lazy.
And I hope all the conservative politicians be honest and tell the US the belief you share with them. That would be fun.

I believe that while entrepreneurship should be encouraged, there must be programs to support the general welfare of the public.

Bluntly speaking.

GOP Socialist Soldier · Dec 10, 2008

NASA is an example of socialism?

Yes. Only Conspiracy Theorists believe Aliens of the World Gildar are funding NASA projects so they can "meet them half-way like this Youtube song:

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there must be programs to support the general welfare of the public.

Many people believe in Socialism and would agree with that Socialistic statement. Consitutionalists believe any general welfare support is from private persons and orgs., churches, etc., but hey, for many the Constitution is so old, it doesn't count--except some few cut cherry picked laws and stuff. lol

Renae · Dec 10, 2008

Pinu7 said:
Yes it is a socialist program created by crybaby tree-hugging Marxist liberals.

Seriously, Vic, just because you make less money doesn't mean your lazy.
And I hope all the conservative politicians be honest and tell the US the belief you share with them. That would be fun.

I believe that while entrepreneurship should be encouraged, there must be programs to support the general welfare of the public.

Bluntly speaking.

Giving out money, services and such to teh "general welfare of the public" encourages leeches.

Unrein · Dec 10, 2008

MrVicchio said:
Giving out money, services and such to teh "general welfare of the public" encourages leeches.

I think you are talking about welfare programs, which is NOT the same thing as socialism. I'am a hardcore socialist and I despise modern welfare systems, it's why I do not vote for democrats.

I believe most benefits handed out should be conditional, primarily you need to have a job. I don't mind some programs to help people find jobs of course, but I agree that the state supplying the unemployeed with too much will encourage leeching.

That said, most people in poverty in the US have at least one job, they stuggle and work harder than any corporate CEO scumbag out there. There is a difference between poor and unemployed, though the corporate right likes to believe they are synonymous.

Pinu7 · Dec 10, 2008

GOP Socialist Soldier said:
Many people believe in Socialism and would agree with that Socialistic statement.

Pinu7 said:
I believe that while entrepreneurship should be encouraged

Well, the quote above is a statement that many free-marketers agree with and agree that it is a capitalist statement. That alone doesn't make me a liberism worshiping nut.

So am I( and most people) both? Kinda.
In reality, it is not as black and white as you three see it as. And anyone left of you are no more a socialist than anyone right of Rein is a capitalist.
Usually, people are a mix of both. The dominant one is usually always capitalist.

Consitutionalists believe any general welfare support is from private persons and orgs., churches, etc., but hey, for many the Constitution is so old, it doesn't count--except some few cut cherry picked laws and stuff. lol

Human empathy is much more weak than human avarice. So the constitutionalists do not really have a point.

Also, I have yet to how this TV switch is counterproductive. Care to explain?

Extremism sucks.

Renae · Dec 11, 2008

Unrein said:
I think you are talking about welfare programs, which is NOT the same thing as socialism. I'am a hardcore socialist and I despise modern welfare systems, it's why I do not vote for democrats.

I believe most benefits handed out should be conditional, primarily you need to have a job. I don't mind some programs to help people find jobs of course, but I agree that the state supplying the unemployeed with too much will encourage leeching.

That said, most people in poverty in the US have at least one job, they stuggle and work harder than any corporate CEO scumbag out there. There is a difference between poor and unemployed, though the corporate right likes to believe they are synonymous.

CEO's aren't scumbags, I don't have an envy complex of successful people, nor do I think that one can make the world "fair".

GOP Socialist Soldier · Dec 11, 2008

Constitution is Extremist????

So am I( and most people) both? Kinda.

Your not that bad, different sects of Socialism exist.

Human empathy is much more weak than human avarice. So the constitutionalists do not really have a point.

This Nation made and fought for by those with weak or little empathy? Hardly.

Also, I have yet to how this TV switch is counterproductive. Care to explain?

This about funding, as with NASA or whatever Socialist policy or program--not on "what" it's going to for us.

Extremism sucks.

So the Constitution sucks? The Freedom of Press sucks? Freedom of Religion? Right to Bear arms? Freeedom of Speech? To remain silent sucks? Sad.

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Iriemon · Dec 11, 2008

MrVicchio said:
Yes, but your family incurred that wealth, that you reap the benefit of their hard work is just success moving along. I have no problem with that what so ever.

And, thanks to the Republicans, folks who inheret don't have to pay a dime in tax, and pay a maximum 15% tax on their income (and they are trying to completely eliminate that), less than half what someone who works has to pay.

It's good to have a wealthy family when the Republicans control things. For the success, talent, hard work and skill of picking the right womb to be born to, you get special favored tax status!

GOP Socialist Soldier · Dec 11, 2008

I want to be rich and got the time machine down so I can be born into a rich family and blame poor people, but if back in time of 9 months before I was born--how does that work???

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Truth Detector · Dec 11, 2008

Iriemon said:
And, thanks to the Republicans, folks who inheret don't have to pay a dime in tax, and pay a maximum 15% tax on their income (and they are trying to completely eliminate that), less than half what someone who works has to pay.

It's good to have a wealthy family when the Republicans control things. For the success, talent, hard work and skill of picking the right womb to be born to, you get special favored tax status!

What logic is there that someone would have to pay taxes on wealth they inherent; wealth I might add that has already been taxed two and three times past.

Why should anyone have to pay taxes on existing assets they inherit? It makes absolutely NO sense whatsoever; unless of course you are a Liberal Democrat who thinks that the Government cannot get enough of our wealth and spends it all so wisely. :roll:

The money you inherit was taxed when it was earned; the assets it purchased were taxed when they were purchased; the home they bought is taxed every year on its value; and now, after taxing two and three times, the Government says that if you inherit it, you have to once more pay a tax on it.

Good lord, what has happened to reason in this country when people like you defend Government confiscation in order to promote an agenda that panders to the ignorant? I suppose you think Uncle Sam will spend the money wiser than the individuals who inherit the wealth? :doh

Truth Detector · Dec 11, 2008

Unrein said:
That said, most people in poverty in the US have at least one job, they stuggle and work harder than any corporate CEO scumbag out there. There is a difference between poor and unemployed, though the corporate right likes to believe they are synonymous.

This is a fascinating statement which can only be made in ignorance and I get tired of seeing it repeated over and over in a vacuum of any facts; have you ever worked in a large corporation? While the average workers are heading home at 5:00p.m. The CEO and his staff are there until 7:00 or 8:00 p.m. Many come in first and go home last because that is what it takes to stay abreast of what is happening.

This class envy attitude prevalent in this country and in Europe is bred in ignorance the belief that the regular workers put in more effort than the people who own the company; it is a patently false and ignorant assumption.

Every entrepreneur you will ever see works 100's of hours a week; they don't do it because they want to be rich, they do it because they LOVE what they do and don't look at it as work; and get rich as a result of their persistence and efforts. They overcome great odds and risk their own wealth to invest in their ideas which in most cases fail; but they persist and keep trying working 100's of hours a week.

Your average HARD working factory worker might put in 50 to 60 hours a week and ONLY does it for the overtime pay. They go home and can forget the office until they return the next day or after the weekend.

The notion that their stress levels or efforts supersede those of the boss or guy in charge is patent nonsense and nothing more than a statement in ignorance or willful denial.

Renae · Dec 11, 2008

Iriemon said:
And, thanks to the Republicans, folks who inheret don't have to pay a dime in tax, and pay a maximum 15% tax on their income (and they are trying to completely eliminate that), less than half what someone who works has to pay.

It's good to have a wealthy family when the Republicans control things. For the success, talent, hard work and skill of picking the right womb to be born to, you get special favored tax status!

Why should you pay money on wealth all ready taxed?

Why are you so jealous of wealthy people?

Unrein · Dec 11, 2008

Truth Detector said:
This is a fascinating statement which can only be made in ignorance and I get tired of seeing it repeated over and over in a vacuum of any facts; have you ever worked in a large corporation? While the average workers are heading home at 5:00p.m. The CEO and his staff are there until 7:00 or 8:00 p.m. Many come in first and go home last because that is what it takes to stay abreast of what is happening.

OMG they stay an hour or two extra for about 10 times the pay? HOW NOBLE.

This class envy attitude

You detected envy in my words? Toward people I was calling scumbags?

prevalent in this country and in Europe is bred in ignorance the belief that the regular workers put in more effort than the people who own the company; it is a patently false and ignorant assumption.

What do people in, let's say, marketing do? They sit on their asses in an office for hours on end being fed coffee and doughnuts by the secretary to di what? Scheme up different ways they exploit the poor.

You know I bet it isn't particularly easy to think of different creative ways to exploit people. It shouldn't be rewarded how-ever.

Every entrepreneur you will ever see works 100's of hours a week; they don't do it because they want to be rich,

I don't see anybody starting a dry-cleaning bussiness just because it's their passion, it's because they want money.

they do it because they LOVE what they do and don't look at it as work;

:rofl

and get rich as a result of their persistence and efforts.

They bacame rich because their exploitation technique was successful. I'd argue that someone 'deserves' millions of dollars over their 'persistent efforts' of buying lottery tickets over cancerous corporations.

They overcome great odds and risk their own wealth to invest in their ideas which in most cases fail; but they persist and keep trying working 100's of hours a week.

They take advantage of lobbyists, commercialization and consumerism to EXPLOIT the market. My god you sound like a bad Ayn Rand exerpt.

Your average HARD working factory worker might put in 50 to 60 hours a week and ONLY does it for the overtime pay. They go home and can forget the office until they return the next day or after the weekend.

And God bless them for putting up with that bull**** at all.

The notion that their stress levels or efforts supersede those of the boss or guy in charge is patent nonsense and nothing more than a statement in ignorance or willful denial.

How did me distinguishing the difference between poor and unemployed turn into this?

Iriemon · Dec 11, 2008

GOP Socialist Soldier said:
I want to be rich and got the time machine down so I can be born into a rich family and blame poor people, but if back in time of 9 months before I was born--how does that work???

YouTube - Back to the Future Delorean Time Machine - Ride Along

Heh heh, I've been trying to figure out how to get reborn from a rich woman's womb so I too will qualify for the special no/low tax rates applied to folks who demonstrate the merit, skill and hard work of being in this category.

Iriemon · Dec 11, 2008

Truth Detector said:
What logic is there that someone would have to pay taxes on wealth they inherent; wealth I might add that has already been taxed two and three times past.

All wealth that is transferred is taxed. The money paid to be by my employer has already been taxed two or three times past. So why should someone get a special no tax rate just because they were born of the right womb?

Why should anyone have to pay taxes on existing assets they inherit? It makes absolutely NO sense whatsoever; unless of course you are a Liberal Democrat who thinks that the Government cannot get enough of our wealth and spends it all so wisely. :roll:

Same reason anyone should have to pay taxes on anything.

Arguably, those who obtain assets from inheretence instead of earning it should pay a higher tax, if you believe in a system that rewards meritocracy as opposed to some kind of fuedalism.

The money you inherit was taxed when it was earned; the assets it purchased were taxed when they were purchased; the home they bought is taxed every year on its value; and now, after taxing two and three times, the Government says that if you inherit it, you have to once more pay a tax on it.

So is money that is paid to me.

In fact, in the case of inheretence, a big chunck of assets were not taxed, that house may be worth far more than it was purchase for.

Good lord, what has happened to reason in this country when people like you defend Government confiscation in order to promote an agenda that panders to the ignorant? I suppose you think Uncle Sam will spend the money wiser than the individuals who inherit the wealth? :doh

Good lord, what has happened to reason in this country when people like you defend feudalism instead of meritocracy? Do you think the trust fund babies will spend their money any wiser than those who work for it?

Iriemon · Dec 11, 2008

MrVicchio said:
Why should you pay money on wealth all ready taxed?

That is just the law. It come out of my paycheck.

The issue is, why should someone who inherets assets instead of working for them be entitled to a special non-tax status?

Why are you so jealous of wealthy people?

I'm not jealous of wealthy people. I do think someone who inherets assets and lives off investments shouldn't be entitled to special low tax rates while working folks pay far higher rates. I am jealous of that. How do I qualify for that special -0- tax rate on receiving assets? Or 15% for income from them?

Truth Detector · Dec 11, 2008

Iriemon said:
Heh heh, I've been trying to figure out how to get reborn from a rich woman's womb so I too will qualify for the special no/low tax rates applied to folks who demonstrate the merit, skill and hard work of being in this category.

There is a term for this; "lucky sperm." :rofl

Truth Detector · Dec 11, 2008

Iriemon said:
Good lord, what has happened to reason in this country when people like you defend feudalism instead of meritocracy? Do you think the trust fund babies will spend their money any wiser than those who work for it?

Feudalism, Meritocracy? You abuse the English language in your desperate defense of Governments confiscation of our hard earned wealth?

Do I think trust fund babies would spend their money wiser than the Feds; ABSOLUTELY!

At least they will consume and create jobs rather than have it disappear in rat holes or for programs that encourage a dependent class of citizens.

Main Entry: feudalism !fyU-d/ul-+i-zum
Pronunciation: \ ˈfyü-də-ˌli-zəm \
Function: noun
Date: circa 1818
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1. 1 the system of political organization prevailing in Europe from the 9th to about the 15th centuries having as its basis the relation of lord to vassal with all land held in fee and as chief characteristics homage, the service of tenants under arms and in court, wardship, and forfeiture

2. 2 any of various political or social systems similar to medieval feudalism

Main Entry: meritocracy +mer-u-!t@-kru-sE
Pronunciation: \ ˌmer-ə-ˈtä-krə-sē \
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural mer·i·toc·ra·cies,
Etymology: 1merit + -o- + -cracy
Date: 1958
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1. 1 a system in which the talented are chosen and moved ahead on the basis of their achievement

2. 2 leadership selected on the basis of intellectual criteria

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