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Thomas Massie Says Iran Attack 'Unconstitutional' as Trump Divides MAGA

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6.21.25
Republican Representative Thomas Massie said that President Donald Trump's decision to bomb three nuclear sites in Iran is "unconstitutional" as the president faces stark division within his own party. Taking to X, formerly Twitter, after Trump announced the strikes, Massie said, "This is not Constitutional." Trump announced the military move on Truth Social saying the U.S. attacked Fordow, Natanz, and Esfahan in Iran. Some 40,000 U.S. troops remain stationed throughout the region as the world awaits a damage assessment from the airstrikes, and Iran's response. The president's reference to "many targets left" suggests extensive target lists remain available for potential future strikes. Massie has been a staunch opponent of striking Iran, previously saying he would not back a move to get involved in a "regime change war." Pentagon officials will hold a press conference at 8 a.m. Sunday, led by Chairman of the Joint Chiefs General Dan Rice and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, to provide operational details and assess damage to Iranian capabilities.

Since when has Donald Trump ever given a rat's ass about the US Constitution? Never. Trump, who campaigned on being an "anti-war" president lied to the US voter again as he always does.

Barely 6 months into his second term, Trump is already bombing and seeking regime change in a Middle Eastern country. Haven't we seen this movie before?

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Rep Massie is only as “principled” as his constituents allow him to be. Let’s see him file articles of impeachment for the Presidents “unconstitutional” act.

Guess what, he won’t because he would be primaried out of office and he knows it….
 
This is an issue that warrants debate.

On the one hand, Congress alone has the authority to declare war. On the other, the reality of national defense sometimes requires us to launch a surprise attack, which simply cannot happen after a debate in Congress.

IMO, Congress needs to be more clear what kinds of military strikes it will permit a President to do without first notifying Congress and what kinds of actions require Congressional approval. The current War Powers act appears to be too murky.
 
Rep Massie is only as “principled” as his constituents allow him to be. Let’s see him file articles of impeachment for the Presidents “unconstitutional” act.

Guess what, he won’t because he would be primaried out of office and he knows it….
are you ok with President Trump taking this action to bomb Iran without getting Congressional approval?
 
This is an issue that warrants debate.

On the one hand, Congress alone has the authority to declare war. On the other, the reality of national defense sometimes requires us to launch a surprise attack, which simply cannot happen after a debate in Congress.

IMO, Congress needs to be more clear what kinds of military strikes it will permit a President to do without first notifying Congress and what kinds of actions require Congressional approval. The current War Powers act appears to be too murky.
Donald is not interested in your little opinions as to what he can or cannot do.
 
This is an issue that warrants debate.

On the one hand, Congress alone has the authority to declare war. On the other, the reality of national defense sometimes requires us to launch a surprise attack, which simply cannot happen after a debate in Congress.

IMO, Congress needs to be more clear what kinds of military strikes it will permit a President to do without first notifying Congress and what kinds of actions require Congressional approval. The current War Powers act appears to be too murky.

Apparently, either Congress need to re-write the law or start impeaching Prez's for it.

I am all about impeaching folks.

But, also, the War Powers thing is bullshit as it is. But a lot of that is because Congress has abdicated its responsibilities, which is also bullshit
 
It's not unconstituional but Massie is a traitor to the deportation cause.
 



Since when has Donald Trump ever given a rat's ass about the US Constitution? Never. Trump, who campaigned on being an "anti-war" president lied to the US voter again as he always does.

Barely 6 months into his second term, Trump is already bombing and seeking regime change in a Middle Eastern country. Haven't we seen this movie before?

trump-demands-total-surrender-from-iran.png
Not yet it isn't. We are not at war, Congress has not declared it. The President is within his Constitutional power currently, will this Congress do anything to restrict it? Not holding my breath.
 
Not yet it isn't. We are not at war, Congress has not declared it. The President is within his Constitutional power currently, will this Congress do anything to restrict it? Not holding my breath.
Mike Johnson has pretty much said numerous times in the past that the House, at least, is basically a book of blank checks for Trump.
 
Mike Johnson has pretty much said numerous times in the past that the House, at least, is basically a book of blank checks for Trump.
And he'll also be held responsibile.
 
This is an issue that warrants debate.

On the one hand, Congress alone has the authority to declare war. On the other, the reality of national defense sometimes requires us to launch a surprise attack, which simply cannot happen after a debate in Congress.

IMO, Congress needs to be more clear what kinds of military strikes it will permit a President to do without first notifying Congress and what kinds of actions require Congressional approval. The current War Powers act appears to be too murky.
Sen. Rand Paul is a coward for not speaking his mind.
The GO******s are all mindful of future primaries, with Paul next up in 2028.
 
Mike Johnson has pretty much said numerous times in the past that the House, at least, is basically a book of blank checks for Trump.
D's have to get younger. The reason the House bill passed is that 3 D Representatives (all in red states so they won't be replaced until 11.26) died.

IMO, the winning strategy for the D's moving forward is to aggressively point their oldsters to retirement as an act of personal sacrifice to regain political power. 1st step? Replace Schumer.
 

Does Trump have the authority to order U.S. strikes on Iran?​

His Article II powers include authority not only to order the use of military force to defend the United States and U.S. persons against actual or anticipated attacks, but also to advance other important national interests. Presidents of both parties have deployed U.S. forces and ordered the use of military force, without congressional authorization, on numerous occasions.

In addition to the powers granted to the president in Article II, Article I of the Constitution gives Congress the authority to “declare War.” But this authority has never been interpreted — by either Congress or the executive branch — to require congressional authorization for every military action that the president could initiate.

This is the third time I'm posting this. This not FoxNews/Pravda. This is PBS. If they say Trump had the authority, I'm going to go with that.
 



Since when has Donald Trump ever given a rat's ass about the US Constitution? Never. Trump, who campaigned on being an "anti-war" president lied to the US voter again as he always does.

Barely 6 months into his second term, Trump is already bombing and seeking regime change in a Middle Eastern country. Haven't we seen this movie before?

trump-demands-total-surrender-from-iran.png
It's too late for Republicans to whine about Trump's overreach now. They have allowed Trump to have whatever the **** he wanted during the past 9 years.
 
So...unlike the rat retards that mindlessly walk off every cliff their party tells them to like the ****ing lemmings they are, MAGA apparently can think for themselves and can even (gasp) occasionally disagree with each other on policy.

What a shocker...but great observation, OP.
 
Is this the: 'Why wasn't I part of the decision process so I can officially concur with your actions?' whine.
 
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