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This might be the end for von der Leyen



Perhaps the solution is for the EU to allow each member state to conduct their own individual trade negotiations.
 
Yes, the reporting is that many EU countries are furious with this deal. Will it pass?
 
Perhaps the solution is for the EU to allow each member state to conduct their own individual trade negotiations.



von der Leyen is the symptom, not the problem. The EU model of a green paradise, open borders, short work weeks is not sustainable. The EU of today is more the decadent gilded world of Marie Antoinette than the hard competitive world of Otto von Bismarck
 
The Marshall Plan was a benefit to many European countries, but it has outlived its usefulness. Some European countries don't want to give it up, though.

Too bad. Trump is ending it one way or another.
 

What has the working culture got to do with this?
This may amaze you but not everyone is completely obsessed with work and making money.
The idea that the French will give up their working culture for anything is simply laughable.
Even the UK has a much more relaxed work culture and we have zero desire to adopt the US style of work.
 
The Marshall Plan was a benefit to many European countries, but it has outlived its usefulness. Some European countries don't want to give it up, though.

Too bad. Trump is ending it one way or another.

Europe paid the money back decades ago with interest.
The US didn't give the money out of pure altruism it was an investment in building a foreign market they could sell into.

Trump had **** all to do with payment of that plan.
 
The US/EU trade deal is a bit murky. But with TACO Trump, a 15% tariff is still better than 30% or higher.



As the Europeans are discovering, it is no fun dealing with a Donald Trump sitting in the catbird seat.

Here, he is using US government power to extort entities, and recently extorted Paramount to the tune of $16 million and Columbia Universuity to the tune of $200 million.

And that "free" jumbo-jet he recieved from Dubai will cost US taxpayers $1 billion to removate and then Trump gets to keep it after his term in office ends.

You are dealing with a convicted criminal. (convicted on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records)
 

Lmao it's crazy how every criticism you have of the EU are positive things.

And then to compare to the world of French Monarchy while that is literally the world you worship. A world of economic extremes and haves and have-nots.
 
What difference does it make?

Trump is temporary and all they have to do is not honor the deal while pretending they are.

That's what China did during Trump's first term. It worked out for them perfectly.
 



Its an increasingly tough world. Of the competitors like the US, Eu, China, other Asian countries... the Eu seems to be the one least psychologically prepared to play hard ball. Heck, what to make of a Marie Antoinette that does not have the balls to control its own borders? It is symptomatic of the European situation that it refuses to man its own borders, because it pretends to be the Garden of Eden, but will pay Turks and Libyans to do the dirty job.

Zero desire to work? How Marie Antoinetteish! There are consequences to living like Marie Antoinette. While you sleep Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Indians... are working round the clock.

At least Herr Merz is emerging from the Garden



 

Europeans are fine with being slightly poorer if it means we aren't treated like shit and expected to work ourselves to death simply to earn enough to survive.

What's the point of life if you spend the vast majority of it at work for people who don't give a single shit about you?

Europeans do work, they simply work to live rather than Americans who live to work.
I prefer the former strategy.
 
Lmao it's crazy how every criticism you have of the EU are positive things.


Marie Antoinette was surrounded by lovely things. Problem is the bills weren't getting paid



And then to compare to the world of French Monarchy while that is literally the world you worship. A world of economic extremes and haves and have-nots.


What has changed? France today is Marie Antoinette, and its sans culottes are its ex colonies that it has been ripping off since the farcical independence in the 60s
 
Europeans are fine with being slightly poorer if it means we aren't treated like shit and expected to work ourselves to death simply to earn enough to survive.


I have to question that assessment. French Labour unions don't act like they are settling for a poorer life


What's the point of life if you spend the vast majority of it at work for people who don't give a single shit about you?

Europeans do work, they simply work to live rather than Americans who live to work.
I prefer the former strategy.



The question is whether it is an affordable luxury in a world to be dominated by hard working Asians
 
I have to question that assessment. French Labour unions don't act like they are settling for a poorer life






The question is whether it is an affordable luxury in a world to be dominated by hard working Asians

Yes, unions fighting for as much as they can, what a bunch of selfish bastards.
Why oh why can't they get with the program and let Companies take the absolute piss and treat staff like slaves, oh the horror!!

If Asians want to work themselves to death then that's entirely up to them.
Europe will continue being Europe.
 
Yes, unions fighting for as much as they can, what a bunch of selfish bastards.
Why oh why can't they get with the program and let Companies take the absolute piss and treat staff like slaves, oh the horror!!



You are the one claiming Europeans don't mind being slightly poorer. The Labour unions disagree with you.


If Asians want to work themselves to death then that's entirely up to them.
Europe will continue being Europe.



You are in competition with Asians.
 
You are the one claiming Europeans don't mind being slightly poorer. The Labour unions disagree with you.






You are in competition with Asians.

Yep, we are in competition and we are doing fine.
If getting 10% more sales means we have to undo a century of advancement in worker rights then we'll be fine without that extra 10%.

Yes, I support unions fighting for their employees and I don't have this odd worship of companies and management that many Americans have.
 
Yep, we are in competition and we are doing fine.

Herr Merz doesnt appear to think so. And in the UK folks dont appear to be happy with Labour either


If getting 10% more sales means we have to undo a century of advancement in worker rights then we'll be fine without that extra 10%.


Rights or benefits? And what happens to those benefits when defense is upped to 5% of GDP to fight Russia?


Yes, I support unions fighting for their employees and I don't have this odd worship of companies and management that many Americans have.


If you support unions then you cant turn around and claim Europeans are not obsessed with money
 
Perhaps the solution is for the EU to allow each member state to conduct their own individual trade negotiations.

Funny how the people who want to see the end of the EU are not within the EU and simply don't understand how it works.

Trump is ending it one way or another.

He's not and I'd put money on it.

in a world to be dominated by hard working Asians

Underpaid hard working Asians who have no rights and can get sacked and replaced easily. That's why the US also outsourced domestic production to Asia in the first place.
 

The UK is raising defence to 5% but it won't change working laws or benefits.
We are trying to spend as much as possible on items built in the UK.
A large bunch is being spent on nuclear subs which are built in the UK for example.
The UK is going from 7 nuclear attack subs to 12 with one being launched every 18 months.
 
The Marshall Plan was a benefit to many European countries, but it has outlived its usefulness. Some European countries don't want to give it up, though.

Too bad. Trump is ending it one way or another.
For **** sake.. the Marshall Plan was 80 years ago and has not existed for at least 70. Your pedophile demented President and his followers have zero grip on history, economics or common ****ing sense. We live in an American inspired capitalist society, that came out of the ****ing Marshall Plan, and that has benefited US corporations to dominate industries for decades and they still do. Oil, Banking, and much more is dominated by American companies. Our lifestyles in Europe, is based off American TV and foods. From Coca Cola to Johnson&Johnson dominating what we put in our shopping carts. The Marshall Plan has been paid back many many times over.. especially with the TRILLIONS of dollars that the US has leant from Europe the last 40 years to maintain its over glutinous consumer society built on debt on debt.
 

German politicians furious at von der Leyen over new EU-US trade deal


She's getting flack now from all directions. I wonder how long she can last.
She will last as long as there is no alternative that can be agreed too.

People forget she is just an office manager. The real power is with the member states, and if they dont want to approve the trade deal, then it wont be approved. She was sent in to negotiate the best framework possible.. she did that, and now the member states will have to decide if they want it or not. This will take years.. and by that time, demented pedo Don wont be around anymore, and it will be back to "normal" .. hopefully.

But as I said there is no trade deal as it has not been negotiated yet. There is a "framework" which is worthless. Pedo Don has already in principle broken the framework.. so meh. Chances are Pedo Don will break the framework big time and the whole thing will fall apart within the next few months.

On top of that, the tune might change, considering how much more in tariffs the direct competitors to European goods are getting. It almost looks like a freaking bargin now. India getting hit hard basically rules out the main possible Pharma alternative.... plus the Swiss Pharma companies are crying snot right now.. 39%.... what the hell? Even South Korea got a worse deal than Europe, and its only Japan that got a similar "framework", that also looks like it wont pass muster once the real trade deal is negotiated in a couple of YEARS. In the mean time, American consumers will see prices go up.. it is already happening.

All we got, is Pedo Trump gettings his ball sack massaged so he is distracted. His dementia and narcissism is so bad, that anyone can fluff him into submission. They just have to get close.. which can be a problem. It is all a distraction away from his pedo friends and past with Epstein.. I mean he is going down the route of war with freaking Russia, by moving nuclear subs closer to Russia. Highly aggressive and unwarranted, unless he wants to distract from something.. wonder what that is?
 
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