This doesn't have to be debated, Guns for everyone.

[jbander]

It doesn't have to be debated because there are facts that define this constant argument. Your 43 times more likely to kill a family member , friend or Acquaintance and 22 times more likely to kill yourself then to kill a intruder. I know this is a low blow for you people, facts have a tendency to ruin a good opinion. If you want to support every gun for everybody, then you better come up with a argument against theses facts.

 

[Jetboogieman]

 

[TurtleDude]

It doesn't have to be debated because there are facts that define this constant argument. Your 43 times more likely to kill a family member , friend or Acquaintance and 22 times more likely to kill yourself then to kill a intruder. I know this is a low blow for you people, facts have a tendency to ruin a good opinion. If you want to support every gun for everybody, then you better come up with a argument against theses facts.

that idiotic study has been destroyed. other than baiting gun owners, does this thread have any merit

no one supports a gun for everyone. so try to come up with a valid argument rather than a sorry straw man

 

[Captain Adverse]

It doesn't have to be debated because there are facts that define this constant argument. Your 43 times more likely to kill a family member , friend or Acquaintance and 22 times more likely to kill yourself then to kill a intruder. I know this is a low blow for you people, facts have a tendency to ruin a good opinion. If you want to support every gun for everybody, then you better come up with a argument against theses facts.

Meaningless drivel.

Tens of millions of Americans (70 -110 million depending on which statistics you believe) own firearms. A few thousand people die each year as the direct result of gun violence. You can add about twice as many more if you include accidents and suicides.

Big deal. :shrug:

 

[PirateMk1]

that idiotic study has been destroyed. other than baiting gun owners, does this thread have any merit

no one supports a gun for everyone. so try to come up with a valid argument rather than a sorry straw man

I actually support everyone being armed, as a requirement for citizenship.

 

[TurtleDude]

I actually support everyone being armed, as a requirement for citizenship.

there are lots of people who shouldn't have guns including those who project their fear of their own incompetence with weapons onto others. but we'd be better off if people received good training in firearms, and knew how to use them

 

[TurtleDude]

Meaningless drivel.

Tens of millions of Americans (70 -110 million depending on which statistics you believe) own firearms. A few thousand people die each year as the direct result of gun violence. You can add a about twice as many more if you include accidents and suicides.

Big deal. :shrug:

and as I proved long ago on this forum, that 43X nonsense only counts cases where thugs were killed (not stopped) and it counts as a GUN IN THE HOME cases where the INTRUDER brought a gun to a home and THAT GUN was the one used to shoot an occupant

 

[PirateMk1]

there are lots of people who shouldn't have guns including those who project their fear of their own incompetence with weapons onto others. but we'd be better off if people received good training in firearms, and knew how to use them

To each their own I suppose.

 

[TurtleDude]

To each their own I suppose.

would you want some of the gun haters on this board owning guns and carrying them in public?

 

[jbander]

Gee I'm glad you pointed this out. You can legally buy a Abrams in this country. KInd of have to wonder about that at least.

 

[jbander]

that idiotic study has been destroyed. other than baiting gun owners, does this thread have any merit

no one supports a gun for everyone. so try to come up with a valid argument rather than a sorry straw man

You still don't exist in my world turtle man

 

[TurtleDude]

You still don't exist in my world turtle man

yet you continue to respond to me

apparently neither do facts nor logic based on that silly OP

 

[TurtleDude]

Gee I'm glad you pointed this out. You can legally buy a Abrams in this country. KInd of have to wonder about that at least.

an Abrams is not necessarily armed. why shouldn't a law abiding citizen be able to buy one? are you as afraid of such vehicles as you are of privately owned firearms?

 

[PirateMk1]

would you want some of the gun haters on this board owning guns and carrying them in public?

I believe EVERYONE that is not under supervision by government or otherwise should be armed. So in answer to your question, yes. They don't have to use them. Arms should be a fashion accessory in this country and worn proudly.

 

[Chomsky]

I actually support everyone being armed, as a requirement for citizenship.

Trust me: There's some citizens in some corners of my city, that you really don't want armed.

would you want some of the gun haters on this board owning guns and carrying them in public?

Why not?

What better way to get someone on your side, than taking them under your wing?

Take 'em to the range with a 500ct box of .22 LRs, put an appropriate piece in their hands, and show 'em the joys of punching holes in paper.

I did that back in the day, when I was really into it!

 

[jbander]

Meaningless drivel.

Tens of millions of Americans (70 -110 million depending on which statistics you believe) own firearms. A few thousand people die each year as the direct result of gun violence. You can add about twice as many more if you include accidents and suicides.

Big deal. :shrug:

It becomes drivel when facts don't support your opinions. Every study is bogus to people like you, you would rather just be left alone with your fantasies. All you gun people better come up with better arguments than these, if you want to keep having it your way. There are hundreds of these studies and none of them can argue against the fact that with more guns more innocent people will be shot. Your family members, acquaintances and passer-bys

 

[PirateMk1]

Trust me: There's some citizens in some corners of my city, that you really don't want armed.

Why not?

What better way to get someone on your side, than taking them under your wing?

Take 'em to the range with a 500ct box of .22 LRs, put an appropriate piece in their hands, and show 'em the joys of punching holes in paper.

I did that back in the day, when I was really into it!

Like I responded to Turtledude, I believe all should be armed and required to be so. The idiots need culling. Everyone being armed speeds the process up. I also believe duels should be made legal again. After all if we can commit suicide, we should be able to duel should we choose to.

 

[TurtleDude]

Trust me: There's some citizens in some corners of my city, that you really don't want armed.

Why not?

What better way to get someone on your side, than taking them under your wing?

Take 'em to the range with a 500ct box of .22 LRs, put an appropriate piece in their hands, and show 'em the joys of punching holes in paper.

I did that back in the day, when I was really into it!

I do that all the time . 25 years or so ago-a man-long dead due to cancer at a young age, was married to a major league media goddess. They belonged to a country club that had skeet and he asked me to teach his wife how to shoot so they could win the club "couples" title.

So I took her to my club and worked with her for a few hours. she said something like Skeet is fun but they ought to ban "assault weapons" I didn't say anything. after we got done she asked where the road past the skeet fields led and I said "the rifle range"

she said do you have any rifles and I said yeah-I have two in my trunk (an AR 15 and a STEYR AUG) so we went and shot rifles for an hour

well the next day the husband called me up and said "THAT WAS an EXPENSIVE" lesson. And I said how so-I wasn't going to charge you anything. and he said yeah but my wife wants one of those AUGS (which due to the import ban in 89 or so were over 2000). I said well I can convince her a 750 dollar AR 15 is a better buy which I did

and he got her one. I lost track of her after her husband died about 10 years ago but I know she kept shooting skeet at that country club

so I take people shooting all the time-its the best vaccine against anti gun idiocy

 

[Chomsky]

I do that all the time . 25 years or so ago-a man-long dead due to cancer at a young age, was married to a major league media goddess. They belonged to a country club that had skeet and he asked me to teach his wife how to shoot so they could win the club "couples" title.

So I took her to my club and worked with her for a few hours. she said something like Skeet is fun but they ought to ban "assault weapons" I didn't say anything. after we got done she asked where the road past the skeet fields led and I said "the rifle range"

she said do you have any rifles and I said yeah-I have two in my trunk (an AR 15 and a STEYR AUG) so we went and shot rifles for an hour

well the next day the husband called me up and said "THAT WAS an EXPENSIVE" lesson. And I said how so-I wasn't going to charge you anything. and he said yeah but my wife wants one of those AUGS (which due to the import ban in 89 or so were over 2000). I said well I can convince her a 750 dollar AR 15 is a better buy which I did

and he got her one. I lost track of her after her husband died about 10 years ago but I know she kept shooting skeet at that country club

so I take people shooting all the time-its the best vaccine against anti gun idiocy

Yep.

And the only reason I mentioned .22 LRs, is because besides my being occasionally inordinately cheap, .22s are relatively quiet, inoffensive, and lacking in recoil, especially in handguns (which were my hobby); newbies can focus on fundamentals w/o flinching, and maybe even hit the dayem target! :mrgreen:

 

[TurtleDude]

Yep.

And the only reason I mentioned .22 LRs, is because besides my being occasionally inordinately cheap, .22s are relatively quiet, inoffensive, and lacking in recoil, especially in handguns (which were my hobby); newbies can focus on fundamentals w/o flinching, and maybe even hit the dayem target! :mrgreen:

yeah and hopefully one day they can be found as plentiful and cheaply as they were a few years ago

 

[Captain Adverse]

It becomes drivel when facts don't support your opinions. Every study is bogus to people like you, you would rather just be left alone with your fantasies. All you gun people better come up with better arguments than these, if you want to keep having it your way. There are hundreds of these studies and none of them can argue against the fact that with more guns more innocent people will be shot. Your family members, acquaintances and passer-bys

The reason why it is drivel is because such studies are always based on a narrow data sample, which is then used to project all sorts of "expectations."

Yet saying one is 43 times more likely to do "such and so," when the overwhelming majority of people who own guns do not do "such and so" makes your point...drivel.

That's the biggest problem with gun control advocates. They see individual incidents of gun violence repeated over and over again in the media, think "never again," and then try to push their gun control agenda when the facts you ignore clearly show very few people are actually involved in such acts. :roll:

 

[TurtleDude]

It becomes drivel when facts don't support your opinions. Every study is bogus to people like you, you would rather just be left alone with your fantasies. All you gun people better come up with better arguments than these, if you want to keep having it your way. There are hundreds of these studies and none of them can argue against the fact that with more guns more innocent people will be shot. Your family members, acquaintances and passer-bys

you are not telling the truth

there are far more guns in circulation now than there were 20 years ago yet murders and accidental gun shot injuries are going down. so your claim is contrary to known reality. and there aren't ANY studies that support your drivel because it is UNDENIABLE that there are more guns in the USA now and there are millions of people legally carrying concealed handguns-something that wasn't true in the early 90s and yet the numbers of gun related crimes are going down

so find me one of those studies-if there are hundreds you should cough it up rather quickly

 

[NonoBadDog]

It doesn't have to be debated because there are facts that define this constant argument. Your 43 times more likely to kill a family member , friend or Acquaintance and 22 times more likely to kill yourself then to kill a intruder. I know this is a low blow for you people, facts have a tendency to ruin a good opinion. If you want to support every gun for everybody, then you better come up with a argument against theses facts.

It is propaganda sold as a study. You even know it is lame or you would have provided the link.

 

[NonoBadDog]

yet you continue to respond to me

apparently neither do facts nor logic based on that silly OP

It is his way of avoiding you because he can't handle facts.

 

[NonoBadDog]

and as I proved long ago on this forum, that 43X nonsense only counts cases where thugs were killed (not stopped) and it counts as a GUN IN THE HOME cases where the INTRUDER brought a gun to a home and THAT GUN was the one used to shoot an occupant

Good points.