https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/425058-third-drug-tunnel-discovered-near-arizona-border
A tunnel that Mexican authorities suspect was used to transfer drugs and people across the border was discovered this week near Arizona, the third such tunnel found in the past month.
The Arizona Republic first reported Friday on the tunnel near Nogales, Sonora, across from Nogales, Ariz. Mexican Federal Police posted a video of the tunnel earlier this week.
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Who needs fences? Seismograph detectors would be more productive by far, monitoring for noises made by smugglers building & using tunnels under fences.
What is your point?Most people that are here illegally came here legally and overstayed their visa, so what is your point?
If such things were possible, if I could be given unlimited power to change legislation, change the constitution, change the IRS code, change the budget, and hire personnel to enforce the legislation, I'd fix the problem of illegal immigration in a few months, with no need for a wall. Measures to be implemented:
1. Constitutional amendment to establish that for a child to be American, he or she needs to have at least one parent who is a legal citizen or a lawful permanent resident of the United States, even if the child is born within the territory of the United States. Bye bye, anchor babies.
2. Stiff penalties to any American or Foreign-based business that operates within the United States, for the offense (made to be a high-degree felony) of offering any jobs to illegal aliens. The owner and/or CEO of the company found to be guilty of such (as well as a number of highly placed officers like the CFO, high level hiring managers, etc., who were found to have participated in any way of those hiring practices), would be given mandatory, relatively long prison sentence with no possibility of parole; the business would have the license to operate revoked, and HUGE fines (of the going-out-of-business kind) would be imposed. Such businesses would also get a mandatory and thorough IRS audit of the last ten years of their business returns, extended to the personal returns of the high officers.
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6. Refugee status would not be allowed to be a proxy for economic migration. The status would have to be necessarily temporary (the resolution of the strenuous circumstances in the country of origin would trigger the return of the refugee to that country), subject to frequent review, and very tightly regulated to provide for true proof of need. The United States would only absorb refugees in the same proportion of the average of other developed countries.
7. Any immigrant visa of any kind would only be granted after thorough vetting to exclude anybody with demonstrable ties to terrorist organizations. This of course is already being done but should be done better.
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Do all of the above and illegal immigration comes to a screeching halt, no need for any wall.
Do the politicians want to do it? Of course not. They don't want to solve the problem, like I said in my last two posts.
What is your point?
We are discussing if s wall will reduce border crossings. The argument being made they wont because tunnels and ladders. I'm asking for the numbers
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I dont think it will stop it but I do think it will greatly reduce the traffic.Do you honestly think the federal government, our federal government, the same federal government that has spent 700 dollars for hammers before, 2000 dollars for toilet seats before, that has trillions of dollars in defense spending that auditors cannot account for, do you think that government could possibly build a barrier sufficient to thwart human trafficking and drug trafficking from coming across our southern border? Come on.
Before it was all said and done, the government would piss away half a trillion dollars on it, only for drug lords and human traffickers to constantly blow up remote sections, tunnel under it and so on.
Some of what you are talking about has to do with legal immigration which is irrelevant to illegal immigration.
Illegal immigration is an IT problem. People come here looking for work and they use a fictitious or shared social security number to get work. All you have to do is make E-Verify mandatory for all employers and you make it next to impossible to work here illegally. If it is impossible to work here illegally, hardly anyone will come here illegally.
As far as accepting refugees go. We have 0.84 refugees per a 1000 inhabitants. Let's compare that to other developed nations:
Italy: 1.57 per 1000 inhabitants
Ireland: 1.25 per 1000
Australia: 1.51 per 1000
U.K.: 1.82 per 1000
Finland: 2.15 per 1000
Denmark: 3.15 per 1000
France: 4.13 per 1000
Germany: 3.10 per 1000
Canada: 4.19 per 1000
Point being, if we accepted refugees in proportion to other developed nations, we would have to accept far, far more refugees than we currently accept.
Do you honestly think the federal government, our federal government, the same federal government that has spent 700 dollars for hammers before, 2000 dollars for toilet seats before, that has trillions of dollars in defense spending that auditors cannot account for, do you think that government could possibly build a barrier sufficient to thwart human trafficking and drug trafficking from coming across our southern border? Come on.
Before it was all said and done, the government would piss away half a trillion dollars on it, only for drug lords and human traffickers to constantly blow up remote sections, tunnel under it and so on.
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/11/684037990/border-patrol-makes-its-case-for-an-expanded-border-barrierhttps://thehill.com/policy/national-security/425058-third-drug-tunnel-discovered-near-arizona-border
A tunnel that Mexican authorities suspect was used to transfer drugs and people across the border was discovered this week near Arizona, the third such tunnel found in the past month.
The Arizona Republic first reported Friday on the tunnel near Nogales, Sonora, across from Nogales, Ariz. Mexican Federal Police posted a video of the tunnel earlier this week.
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Who needs fences? Seismograph detectors would be more productive by far, monitoring for noises made by smugglers building & using tunnels under fences.
Precisely!!!Fences means having to use more resources and time intensive methods like tunnels. Put the fences a little bit into the ground and the tunnel has to be deeper. Find the tunnel and destroy it and now that expensive investment is lost. All of this slows down the process.
Exactly. If a drug cartel rents a bulldozer and approaches the border wall from the Mexican side of it, we can't do anything about it because we can't shoot people across the border into a sovereign country. So, they'd make a spiteful point of damaging the wall multiple times in remote locations. The maintenance of the wall would be a constant money pit.
https://www.npr.org/2019/01/11/684037990/border-patrol-makes-its-case-for-an-expanded-border-barrier
Border Patrol says they do.
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True, but I bet if a continuous wall is built along the entire border, there will be bulldozers or bombs sponsored by the drug cartels damaging it, partially out of spite and to prove a point, and partially for pragmatic reasons, in remote areas, even if it is built within the United States and with a buffer zone ahead of it. Why haven't they done it yet? Because they haven't needed to. But if they need to do it, they will. Remember, these are very well-funded groups, and they are made of hardened criminals. Do you really think a wall, especially one that extends into remote and poorly patrolled locations, can stop them? The bulldozer can come, damage the wall, and withdraw back into Mexico before our officers can do anything about it. And bombs and grenade launchers can be thrown at the wall or fired from a distance. Sure, it's my opinion and speculation but I'm quite sure that it is very likely that the wall will be repeatedly damaged, if it is built along the entire border.In theory... but in practice, we have a lot of border wall, and that doesn't happen. Of course, right now they can just drive through the empty places.
Keep in mind that in most places, the border wall isn't exactly on the border, but on the US side. You can't build a wall in the middle of a river. So in that case, they could arrest the driver and confiscate the bulldozer.
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