There should be nobody against upholding the 2nd amendment...

[TurtleDude]

i disagree that there is a "human right" to own, possess and use a hand gun. such an unalienable "human right" could not have even been conceived (by man) until the hand gun was invented, which allows us to see this "human right" was also a human fabrication and not something G-d given
and restricting ownership of hand guns does not violate the second amendment any more than does the prohibition of an individual owning an RPG

and i do acknowledge that despite the introduction of laws prohibiting the ownership of hand guns there will be criminals who will exploit the opportunity that their own access to a hand gun gives them a decidedly greater advantage in the commission of a crime
even despite more strict enforcement
but i believe that over time, society will become rid of most of the available hand guns while mitigating the introduction of new ones to replace those confiscated
and i would surmise that most of the hand guns used in the commission of crimes are not being used by organized crime members but by criminals having ready access to concealed weapons, which give them a decided advantage in committing crime today. by taking those weapons off the streets, it is not unreasonable to project that will make our society safer. absolutely safe from hand gun wielding perpetrators? no. but much safer because hand guns will not be so widely available as they are today

as long as the government issues handguns there will be a steady supply for criminals even if you got rid of all civilian non LEO handguns. An idiotic goal anyway

and what weapons do you think the second amendment protects?

 

[TurtleDude]

i absolutely advocate the second amendment. the right to bear arms is in no danger
now, the ability to bear hand guns, weapons having a military purpose, ammunition intended to penetrate armor to kill humans, not having to register arms or not having to perform a check on the prospective recipient of an arms transfer to assure they are not on the 'no-buy' list, those things are all in danger - at least i hope. with Gabby

complete idiocy weapons having a military purpose are clearly the most important under the second amendment.

how many people have ever been killed with armor piercing ammo in the USA? two of the ATF guys at WACO were-the funny thing was the only people who had that ammo were other government agents, not Vern Howell's loopy cultists