[W:718] The west must hold its nerve on Ukraine

[slick]

The far right, of course, cared nothing for democracy, nor did it have any love for the EU. Instead, the popular uprising was an opportunity. Dmytro Yarosh, the Right Sector leader, had urged his compatriots in 2009 to “start an armed struggle against the regime of internal occupation and Moscow’s empire” if pro-Russian forces took control. As early as March 2013, One of the organizations that formed Right Sector, had called for the Ukrainian opposition to move “from a peaceful demonstration to a street-revolutionary plane.” They were 100% successful in doing just that

 

[Juin]

I disagree with you but appreciate that you at least let people know you are from Russia.

To be a Russian must be a crime in your book!

It weird how many times there are people who come on these sites posing as American and yet you can tell they are from Russia from what they say and how they write.

You care that much?

 

[Fledermaus]

What percentage of Ukrainian voters supported IMF conditionalities?
Was that number larger or smaller than the percentage of Ukrainians who supported murdering police officers to drive a duly elected president from office.
Show your math.

I do know it was enough Ukrainians to scare Yanukovych from his throne.

And the percentage of Ukrainians who supported murdering police officers must have been very small given the number of officers killed even after they slaughtered protestors.

 

[Fledermaus]

The far right, of course, cared nothing for democracy, nor did it have any love for the EU. Instead, the popular uprising was an opportunity. Dmytro Yarosh, the Right Sector leader, had urged his compatriots in 2009 to “start an armed struggle against the regime of internal occupation and Moscow’s empire” if pro-Russian forces took control. As early as March 2013, One of the organizations that formed Right Sector, had called for the Ukrainian opposition to move “from a peaceful demonstration to a street-revolutionary plane.” They were 100% successful in doing just that

The war is Putin's fault.

 

[bomberfox]

Of cause . Correct. So, since Ukraine decided to break from Russia, the Donbass should be returned back to Russia.

There is nothing signed between ukraine and russia that would allow for such. Problem is Putin wants much more than the Donbass region as his previous invasions showed.

 

[bomberfox]

The Poles faced a no-win choice between Hitler or Stalin.
Would they have fared better under a Thousand Year Reich?

https://whowhatwhy.org/politics/government-integrity/wall-street-nazi-cartels/

Because Stalin decided to try to invade and divy up Poland instead of working with them to get a head start on fighting nazis.

 

[bomberfox]

Most of the world is sick of US hypocrisy and sanctions.
Most Republicans AND Democrats fund their campaigns by supporting the mass killing of civilians on the other side of the planet, so it's hardly surprising they back another opportunity to bleed Russia in Ukraine.

Most of us are sick of your Russian apologia to the point you justify genocide of Ukrainians.

 

[bomberfox]

So all we need to do is to throw this irrelevant and illegal agreement (since it didn't reflect the will of the people) into the recycle bin, and create new just agreement with the new borders. However if you so insists on the territorial integrity of Ukraine, well why not? Russians just need to peform some cleaning of the territory of Ukraine from criminal and corrupted elements like Zelensky and his nazy junta. And then Russians will return back Donbass to liberated Ukraine. But in this case Russians will have to liberate ALL Ukraine. Are you happy with this solution ?

Thats not how any of this works. Things not going the way your kremlin goons wanted?

 

[bomberfox]

Stalin was drunk when he said that, AND it's probably true.
The US supplied Russia with machines (and sent cash to Hitler), but it was Russian blood and bodies that destroyed the Nazi war machine.

https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/barbarossa-usa/

total clown georgie.

 

[bomberfox]

Wait, all of them? You guys think you own all the territories of the former Soviet Union? So Russia wants to invade the NATO countries of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania as well? Do you know how ridiculous this sounds to people who aren't Russian?

That has been a long standing thought among Russian leaders even soviet leaders thought Ukraine belonged to Russia.

 

[dandolo2k]

Most of us are sick of your Russian apologia to the point you justify genocide of Ukrainians.

Are'nt you all sick of your (US,West) endless colomial wars all around the world ? Nuclear bombing of Japan, burnt with Napalm villages in Vietnam, totally riuned and destroyed to the ground Iraque, thousands of killed in your outrageous bombing of Libia, thousands of killed by Nato soldiers in Afganistan, the destruction and mass killling by Nato troops and thier allies in Siria, criminal bobing by Nato planes of Belgrad, and everywhere , everywhere, there is a Hawky bloodthirsty US military machine, backed by criminal corrupted US government, printing dollars to support the wars all around the world. Everywhere , where the US is engaged, there is blood, destruction, death!!! And now this is Ukraine. You all know that your puppet Ukro junta govt was preparing the bloody assault on Donbass, the troops were already amassed on the border. They were going to murder all the local population, your media were prepared to potray this as liberation of Holy Ukraine.
May be its time to stop your war machine ? to focus one you home affairs ?

 

[bomberfox]

Are'nt you all sick of your (US,West) endless colomial wars all around the world ? Nuclear bombing of Japan, burnt with Napalm villages in Vietnam, totally riuned and destroyed to the ground Iraque, thousands of killed in your outrageous bombing of Libia, thousands of killed by Nato soldiers in Afganistan, the destruction and mass killling by Nato troops and thier allies in Siria, criminal bobing by Nato planes of Belgrad, and everywhere , everywhere, there is a Hawky bloodthirsty US military machine, backed by criminal corrupted US government, printing dollars to support the wars all around the world. Everywhere , where the US is engaged, there is blood, destruction, death!!! And now this is Ukraine. You all know that your puppet Ukro junta govt was preparing the bloody assault on Donbass, the troops were already amassed on the border. They were going to murder all the local population, your media were prepared to potray this as liberation of Holy Ukraine.
May be its time to stop your war machine ? to focus one you home affairs ?

Whataboutery is the hypocrisy. Start your own thread on it. You know very well you have an imperialist war machine of your own.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Are'nt you all sick of your (US,West) endless colomial wars all around the world ? Nuclear bombing of Japan, burnt with Napalm villages in Vietnam, totally riuned and destroyed to the ground Iraque, thousands of killed in your outrageous bombing of Libia, thousands of killed by Nato soldiers in Afganistan, the destruction and mass killling by Nato troops and thier allies in Siria, criminal bobing by Nato planes of Belgrad, and everywhere , everywhere, there is a Hawky bloodthirsty US military machine, backed by criminal corrupted US government, printing dollars to support the wars all around the world. Everywhere , where the US is engaged, there is blood, destruction, death!!! And now this is Ukraine. You all know that your puppet Ukro junta govt was preparing the bloody assault on Donbass, the troops were already amassed on the border. They were going to murder all the local population, your media were prepared to potray this as liberation of Holy Ukraine. May be its time to stop your war machine ? to focus one you home affairs ?

None of that Kremlin whataboutism addressess Moscow's war of expansion in Ukraine. The world is sick of your wars in Ukraine.....

U.N. General Assembly in historic vote denounces Russia over Ukraine invasion

 

[Fledermaus]

Are'nt you all sick of your (US,West) endless colomial wars all around the world ? Nuclear bombing of Japan, burnt with Napalm villages in Vietnam, totally riuned and destroyed to the ground Iraque, thousands of killed in your outrageous bombing of Libia, thousands of killed by Nato soldiers in Afganistan, the destruction and mass killling by Nato troops and thier allies in Siria, criminal bobing by Nato planes of Belgrad, and everywhere , everywhere, there is a Hawky bloodthirsty US military machine, backed by criminal corrupted US government, printing dollars to support the wars all around the world. Everywhere , where the US is engaged, there is blood, destruction, death!!! And now this is Ukraine. You all know that your puppet Ukro junta govt was preparing the bloody assault on Donbass, the troops were already amassed on the border. They were going to murder all the local population, your media were prepared to potray this as liberation of Holy Ukraine.
May be its time to stop your war machine ? to focus one you home affairs ?

100% Soviet style Whataboutism

 

[dandolo2k]

Whataboutery is the hypocrisy. Start your own thread on it. You know very well you have an imperialist war machine of your own.

This is not "Whataboutery" . This is the way US is doing its dirty business. This is how it always did it and this is how it did it with Ukraine. The US government sent agents and mercenaries into Ukraine, who seized illegally power by staging a coup, and in 2014 they , the Ukranian nazi junta, they started this war with Donbass!!! Russia started not a single war in Ukraine, it just responds to the criminal actions of your proxy regime.

 

[Fledermaus]

This is not "Whataboutery" . This is the way US is doing its dirty business. This is how it always did it and this is how it did it with Ukraine. The US government sent agents and mercenaries into Ukraine, who seized illegally power by staging a coup, and in 2014 they , the Ukranian nazi junta, they started this war with Donbass!!! Russia started not a single war in Ukraine, it just responds to the criminal actions of your proxy regime.

Please lie again.

There was no "Ukranian nazi junta".

Russia invaded and illegally annexed Crimea.

The "war" in Ukrainian Donbass was started by RUSSIA and their arming and support of separatists. There was no "war" prior to that.

 

[dandolo2k]

Please lie again.

There was no "Ukranian nazi junta".

Russia invaded and illegally annexed Crimea.

The "war" in Ukrainian Donbass was started by RUSSIA and their arming and support of separatists. There was no "war" prior to that.

No this is not true. When in 2014 nazy junta seized illegally power by staging a coup and shooting everybody who dared to object, NO tanks from Donbass or russia appeared in KIEV, NO planes started to bomb it, NO Russia troops launched any peacekeeping mission.
However when the Donbass people resolved to break from Nazy Kievs regime, Ukranians subhumans lauched full sclale war against Donbass, the war which proceeds up to now, and which resumed in 2022. They decided to call this bloody war -- Anti Terroristic Operation (ATO), being terrorists themselves!!! You guys, started this WAR!!! Your corrupted leadership (Nooland, Biden and his gang, and others).

 

[Fledermaus]

Stalin was drunk when he said that, AND it's probably true.
The US supplied Russia with machines (and sent cash to Hitler), but it was Russian blood and bodies that destroyed the Nazi war machine.

Russian blood and bodies transported by American railroads and American trucks. Supported by American aircraft and tanks. Fed by American food.

 

[Fledermaus]

No this is not true. When in 2014 nazy junta seized illegally power by staging a coup and shooting everybody who dared to object

Lie.

NO tanks from Donbass or russia appeared in KIEV,

So what?

NO planes started to bomb it,

So what?

NO Russia troops launched any peacekeeping mission.

So what?

However when the Donbass people resolved to break from Nazy Kievs regime,

Nazi Kiev is a lie.

Ukranians subhumans lauched full sclale war against Donbass, the war which proceeds up to now, and which resumed in 2022.

Ukraine subhuman = Stupid Nazi style talk.

You guys, started this WAR!!!

Another lie.

Your corrupted leadership (Nooland, Biden and his gang, and others)

Who voted Zelensky in?

Ah, that's right. Ukrainians.

 

[Rogue Valley]

This is not "Whataboutery" . This is the way US is doing its dirty business. This is how it always did it and this is how it did it with Ukraine. The US government sent agents and mercenaries into Ukraine, who seized illegally power by staging a coup, and in 2014 they , the Ukranian nazi junta, they started this war with Donbass!!! Russia started not a single war in Ukraine, it just responds to the criminal actions of your proxy regime.

The Ukrainian people booted out the criminal Yanukovych, who promptly fled to Russia.

Ukraine has turned westward. You lost this nation of 42 million people with Putin's Crimea/Donbas invasions in 2014.

This bloody 2022 invasion only deepens their determination to never again live under Moscow's boot.

And I'll also add, the Russian military is horseshit. It can't take a city without utilizing war crimes.

We've seen this with Grozny, Aleppo, Mariupol, and now in Donbas. An army of war criminals.

Executed Ukrainian civilians in Bucha, Ukraine.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Мариуполь

Bombed theater in Mariupol containing children. The word CHILDREN was even spray-painted on the theater parking lot so it wouldn't be bombed.

Mariupol theatre airstrike - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[bomberfox]

This is not "Whataboutery" . This is the way US is doing its dirty business. This is how it always did it and this is how it did it with Ukraine. The US government sent agents and mercenaries into Ukraine, who seized illegally power by staging a coup, and in 2014 they , the Ukranian nazi junta, they started this war with Donbass!!! Russia started not a single war in Ukraine, it just responds to the criminal actions of your proxy regime.

Umm no Russia illegally annexed Crimea and went further and further. Ya know the thing people who are defending against aggression do in putler land.

 

[bomberfox]

No this is not true. When in 2014 nazy junta seized illegally power by staging a coup and shooting everybody who dared to object, NO tanks from Donbass or russia appeared in KIEV, NO planes started to bomb it, NO Russia troops launched any peacekeeping mission.
However when the Donbass people resolved to break from Nazy Kievs regime, Ukranians subhumans lauched full sclale war against Donbass, the war which proceeds up to now, and which resumed in 2022. They decided to call this bloody war -- Anti Terroristic Operation (ATO), being terrorists themselves!!! You guys, started this WAR!!! Your corrupted leadership (Nooland, Biden and his gang, and others).

Speaking of shit nazis would say.

 

[dandolo2k]

Мариуполь

Bombed theater in Mariupol containing children. The word CHILDREN was even spray-painted on the theater parking lot so it wouldn't be bombed.

Mariupol theatre airstrike - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes this is how these ukro-"warriors" work, they spray-paint "children" wherever it is possible , even on thier foreheads , and then install heavy guns in all these places (labeled as "kids") and start to shoot under "kids" disguise. And the most distressing fact that you know all this shit, all this despeacable tricks, and yet you post all these images as "proofs of Russian crimes". No one except your paid "independent" reporters believe in this bullshit, even these system pigs dont believe , they just earn money with all these fabrications and lies.

 

[Fledermaus]

Yes this is how these ukro-"warriors" work, they spray-paint "children" wherever it is possible , even on thier foreheads , and then install heavy guns in all these places (labeled as "kids") and start to shoot under "kids" disguise. And the most distressing fact that you know all this shit, all this despeacable tricks, and yet you post all these images as "proofs of Russian crimes". No one except your paid "independent" reporters believe in this bullshit, even these system pigs dont believe , they just earn money with all these fabrications and lies.

Are you paid to say stupid stuff?