The West is signing its own death sentence

zimmer · Dec 10, 2012

It is clear now that the president will be quite happy to bring about this apocalypse – which would pull most of the developed world into interminable recession – if he could be sure that it would result in long-term electoral damage to his opponents.

Capitalism is, by its nature, dynamic: it creates transitory disparities of wealth constantly as it reinvents itself. Fortunes are made and lost and, as old industries are replaced by new, the earnings that they create rise and fall. Punishing those who exceed some momentary average income and artificially subsidising those who fall below it – as well as providing for a universal standard of living which bears no relation to merit or even to need – has now reached the unavoidable, unaffordable end of the line.

So who will tell the truth – and then act on it?... That without a radical reduction in government intervention, the free and prosperous West will have been a brief historical aberration?

The West is signing its own death sentence - Telegraph

Any which way, we've let the government steal too much wealth, make promises they couldn't keep (since when have PONZI Schemes worked?) and now we're in a world of hurt.

I hope you've prepared yourselves.

Translation for Parasite Nation: At some point government won't be there for you... "it" will hit the fan, and all those goodies you were promised, all those rosy scenarios, all the rhetoric about punishing the wealthy... hits those in the teeth who are most vulnerable... those hooked on government.

You can't kill the Geese laying Golden Eggs and expect a bounty of gold. Envy of what others have is a terrible state of mind. It's perverse and comes with real costs. But... that's Socialism's Parasite Nation.

Panopticon · Dec 10, 2012

your metaphors and parables are awful. Nobody wants to kill the goose, they want it to share a very few eggs to people that otherwise may not be able to feed their children. Your hyper unregulated invisible hand has already killed entire nation states in sub saharan africa and is way ahead of the game in terms of destruction.

DDD · Dec 10, 2012

Perhaps the USA just needs a bit of rest from capitalism forced dynamic activity (i.e., one has to reinvent things to eat). Perhaps it is in order for a nation to experience for themselves how other governing styles work and learn from it by experience. All you know by now is what you read from books right. Well, perhaps you should try it, but I'd suggest to not rest too much in it.

Fletch · Dec 10, 2012

Panopticon said:
your metaphors and parables are awful. Nobody wants to kill the goose, they want it to share a very few eggs to people that otherwise may not be able to feed their children. Your hyper unregulated invisible hand has already killed entire nation states in sub saharan africa and is way ahead of the game in terms of destruction.

Which nation states are those?

jwzg · Dec 10, 2012

Ahhhh, perhaps you forget we are a constitutional republic, which by its nature demands that we not experience "other" forms of government. Of course that is of no consequence to liberals everywhere.
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Muddy Creek · Dec 10, 2012

zimmer said:
Any which way, we've let the government steal too much wealth, make promises they couldn't keep (since when have PONZI Schemes worked?) and now we're in a world of hurt.

I hope you've prepared yourselves.

Translation for Parasite Nation: At some point government won't be there for you... "it" will hit the fan, and all those goodies you were promised, all those rosy scenarios, all the rhetoric about punishing the wealthy... hits those in the teeth who are most vulnerable... those hooked on government.

You can't kill the Geese laying Golden Eggs and expect a bounty of gold. Envy of what others have is a terrible state of mind. It's perverse and comes with real costs. But... that's Socialism's Parasite Nation.

Bush created more socialism than FDR...course, it was all for the rich and corporations as any good fascist would do. Seems to me the right is good to go on socialism for corporations but, in connection with its republican made born again evangelical cult, is against it for the American family and worker.

Panopticon · Dec 10, 2012

Fletch said:
Which nation states are those?

for example:
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274ina · Dec 10, 2012

They steal the wealth of the working homeowner, then they steal the wealth of the Government.

Tracking the $700 Billion Bailout - The New York Times

More stealing of USA wealth by a drunk extorsionist Wall Street criminal......

'Drunken' Broker Sent Oil to 8-Month High in 2009: Report

And SOCIALISM works fine...............and it will forever.

Germany has the economic strengths America once boasted - Los Angeles Times

Fletch · Dec 10, 2012

Muddy Creek said:
Bush created more socialism than FDR...course, it was all for the rich and corporations as any good fascist would do. Seems to me the right is good to go on socialism for corporations but, in connection with its republican made born again evangelical cult, is against it for the American family and worker.

Good to see a leftist admit publically what leftists constantly deny: that fascism is indeed a form of socialism.

Fletch · Dec 10, 2012

274ina said:
And SOCIALISM works fine...............and it will forever.

Germany has the economic strengths America once boasted - Los Angeles Times

So wait, Germany is now socialist? But they have private property and private ownership of industry. Apparently, people and places are only socialist when things are going well.

SMTA · Dec 10, 2012

274ina said:
They steal the wealth of the working homeowner, then they steal the wealth of the Government.

Tracking the $700 Billion Bailout - The New York Times

More stealing of USA wealth by a drunk extorsionist Wall Street criminal......

'Drunken' Broker Sent Oil to 8-Month High in 2009: Report

And SOCIALISM works fine...............and it will forever.

Germany has the economic strengths America once boasted - Los Angeles Times

Thief again stealing the ideas of others without due credit. Thief alert.

zimmer · Dec 10, 2012

Panopticon said:
Panopticon said:

Nobody wants to kill the goose

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Too late... the killing fields have been long in action, and you voted for The Executioner.

they want it to share a very few eggs to people that otherwise may not be able to feed their children.

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ROTFLOL... that's why we have 16 Trillion of debt?
This is what happens when ignorance hits a keyboard.
You really believe that?

And let people share. I believe wealthy folks have a responsibility to assist. Most do.
How and when should be of their doing. They should be free to choose.
Coercion from depraved Socialists is not freedom.

For example... the more cash someone like Buffett can generate allows him to generate more. Better in his hands than a Socialist Regime.
If he's like Carnegie and disgorges himself of it at the end of his life... fine... if not... fine too.

Your hyper unregulated invisible hand has already killed entire nation states in sub saharan africa and is way ahead of the game in terms of destruction.

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"hyper unregulated"... that's the USA? (Facepalm).

ROTFLOL... are we sub Saharan Africa? Not yet, but the purveyors of Parasite Nation are bringing us closer.

zimmer · Dec 10, 2012

SMTA said:
Thief again stealing the ideas of others without due credit. Thief alert.

Hadn't read a word of any of them... but you can spank that monkey all day long if it gives you pleasure.

zimmer · Dec 10, 2012

DDD said:
Perhaps the USA just needs a bit of rest from capitalism forced dynamic activity (i.e., one has to reinvent things to eat). Perhaps it is in order for a nation to experience for themselves how other governing styles work and learn from it by experience. All you know by now is what you read from books right. Well, perhaps you should try it, but I'd suggest to not rest too much in it.

You're a rookie here I see.
Welcome rookie.

You're writing to... my bet... the top .01% of the most traveled posters in Debatepolitics.
Someone who has opened, consulted and run businesses in foreign Socialist lands. I know their red tape. I know the cost of doing business in these places. I know of the paralysis when it comes to upward mobility. I know how these regimes make it possible for those who know how to work the system to move forward... most cannot afford it.

Know what? It is protection against competition. It's a rigged game. Hate to say it, but government is my best agent against competition.
That's socialism. I know it. I've lived it. I live it.

Socialism fails everywhere it is tried.

Nice try, but... Try again.

Hope you have prepared for when government hits the fan... hopefully a little better than the Greeks because that's the result of Socialism hitting the fan.

DDD · Dec 10, 2012

I am a "rookie" since I seem not to have more posts than you in this forum. I write to share an opinion and if those "most traveled posters" want to read it let it be.

Who is the one that knows "their red tape?" Whom are you referring to? You or me?

When you say that you live Socialism, where are you from? I know Socialism fails, but I hear this topic come up every so often that it seems the public is curious to try it. If warning them ahead doesn't works, then perhaps they are tired and want to relax a bit in Socialism. That way they will get to see in first person how the system works and perhaps fulfill their curiosity.

Dardania is not Socialist. It is Parliamentary Democracy.

What am I trying?

zimmer said:
You're a rookie here I see.
Welcome rookie.

You're writing to... my bet... the top .01% of the most traveled posters in Debatepolitics.
Someone who has opened, consulted and run businesses in foreign Socialist lands. I know their red tape. I know the cost of doing business in these places. I know of the paralysis when it comes to upward mobility. I know how these regimes make it possible for those who know how to work the system to move forward... most cannot afford it.

Know what? It is protection against competition. It's a rigged game. Hate to say it, but government is my best agent against competition.
That's socialism. I know it. I've lived it. I live it.

Socialism fails everywhere it is tried.

Nice try, but... Try again.

Hope you have prepared for when government hits the fan... hopefully a little better than the Greeks because that's the result of Socialism hitting the fan.

NoC_T · Dec 10, 2012

Blame the poor.

Best damn excuse, since someone screamed "Jooooz!".

274ina · Dec 11, 2012

Fletch said:
So wait, Germany is now socialist? But they have private property and private ownership of industry. Apparently, people and places are only socialist when things are going well.

They have free (affordable) universal healthcare and 20 days paid vaction for ALL JOBS. including Mcdonalds.

To the GOP, they are SOCIALIST! (snicker)

Deuce · Dec 11, 2012

This guy obsessively works the term "parasite nation" into every single post he makes.

I wonder what that's all about. Has a book of the same title been published recently, trying to drum up sales with the catchphrase?

iguanaman · Dec 11, 2012

Fletch said:
So wait, Germany is now socialist? But they have private property and private ownership of industry. Apparently, people and places are only socialist when things are going well.

So NOW you finally use the correct definition of Socialism. So exacltly how does this definition apply to Obama? Apparently you only use the correct definition when it suits your argument.

Fletch · Dec 11, 2012

iguanaman said:
So NOW you finally use the correct definition of Socialism. So exacltly how does this definition apply to Obama? Apparently you only use the correct definition when it suits your argument.

Did I call him a socialist? I have called him a collectivist, a statist and a leftist, but I dont call people socialists too often.

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