MaggieD
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Teenaged girls are incentivized to be a baby's momma in their teens to get their welfare checks...
I'm beginning to think that public assistance, the way it is constructed, is promoting slavery -- the poor just don't get it.
The whole system of social welfare, for low income people, isn't designed that way but some of it is.
It started like this from the creation of compulsory education.
This is conspiracy theory but historical fact.
It was formed, to let the cream rise to the top, so to speak.
I wouldn't characterize it as slavery either, but more of a means of pacification.To reduce crime and social unrest.
Just out of curiosity, how many teenage girls out there do you believe are thinking, "I sure do wanna get pregnant so I can get those sweet welfare checks."? I'm just curious whether you want to reword that statement. How would you structure public assisstance? It is easy to criticize, but no system is perfect. In what way could this system be made into a less imperfect system? If you can't answer that question then you really have no grounds to judge.
Oh, I really like that characterization, Harry. Brilliant!
I think the "creators" realized that no matter how much opportunity, you offer to people, that some will always not, try to achieve and that it's better to keep them "paid" on the side lines while everyone else goes about their normal life.
I don't agree with it, but that's what it is. :?
Harry, honestly, you've given me a paradigm shift of the nth degree. Of course!! That's the only thing that makes sense. The unspoken motive for all of it. Wow....
I disagree, whatever "welfare" (grouping most social and finnancial aid organizations into this) was designed to do whether it be national pride or to help the less fortunate, it works, not as well as it should, but it is an important institution and essential to any modern day society
the intent was to create a permanent dependent class that has to vote for those who fund their entitlements
the intent was to create a permanent dependent class that has to vote for those who fund their entitlements
but most people on "welfare" dont vote anyway so i guess the conspiracy was a failure...
I disagree, whatever "welfare" (grouping most social and finnancial aid organizations into this) was designed to do whether it be national pride or to help the less fortunate, it works, not as well as it should, but it is an important institution and essential to any modern day society
the intent was to create a permanent dependent class that has to vote for those who fund their entitlements
but most people on "welfare" dont vote anyway so i guess the conspiracy was a failure...
but most people on "welfare" dont vote anyway so i guess the conspiracy was a failure...
Oh, I really like that characterization, Harry. Brilliant!
How can someone named "Critical Thought" say I have no grounds to judge? Ha! Anyway, I have family (two people) who teach in inner-city Chicago public schools. Both of them say that the "job objective" of far too many young girls is to get pregnant and have a baby to get a check.
A less imperfect system wouldn't have indefinite public assistance for healthy bodies. It would provide daycare assistance for their children and, in order to collect their checks, these women would be required to "show up" for schooling or volunteer work of some sort that would keep them busy and working toward improving their lot in life. No more free lunches ad infinitum.
Do you realize that these welfare moms have what every working gal would cherish? The opportunity to stay at home with their kids? There's something wrong there, I think.
Are you aware that there is a 60 month maximum on TANF? In your entire life, you could only receive up to 5 years of assistance. Furthermore, while on aid you are required to be looking for employment or schooling, and once you are employed or in school, your assistance stops.
I find it funny that you describe our system, but seem not to konw how it actually works.
Are you saying that the CHILDREN, if their moms use up their five years, are just simply are out of luck? Homeless? Starving? Why don't I think that's true?
Do they have to look for employment the same way people receiving unemployment compensation have to look for employment? I don't have too much faith in that.
Are you saying that the CHILDREN, if their moms use up their five years, are just simply are out of luck? Homeless? Starving? Why don't I think that's true?
Do they have to look for employment the same way people receiving unemployment compensation have to look for employment? I don't have too much faith in that.
Are you aware that there is a 60 month maximum on TANF? In your entire life, you could only receive up to 5 years of assistance. Furthermore, while on aid you are required to be looking for employment or schooling, and once you are employed or in school, your assistance stops.
I find it funny that you try to describe our system, but seem not to know how it actually works.
I say that because you make it sound like we have a national program. We have a block grant system for welfare. That means each state receives money from the Federal Government for welfare in the form of a grant and then each state drafts its own welfare program and distributes the aid. That means each state has its own welfare program and requirements. 50 states means 50 different welfare programs. You have a problem with Chicago, then that means you have a problem with the welfare program in Illinois, not in my state or anyone else's state for that matter.
TANF has a limit, but TANF is the classic form of welfare(government checks), that was changed, if you include housing assistance, food stamps etc. those things can last for life.
Food stamps = up to $133.12 per person a month. Do you calculate how much you spend on groceries each month? You have to be eating pretty fickle to get by on that amount.
Housing assistance = individuals or families with a voucher find and lease a unit (either in a specified complex or in the private sector) and pay a portion of the rent (based on income, but generally no more than 30% (40% being the maximum at time of lease-up) of the family's income.
There is your lifetime of benefits. You get enough in food stamps to get by and you get the best place that you can afford 30% of the rent on.
Has anyone here who has formed an opinion on the welfare system actually taken the time to educate themselves on how the system actually works?
I don't think you'd disagree that SS Disability is a way that TANF benefits go on forever.
Uhh yep, I spend less than that per person, per month.
I'm familiar with these programs, I also know that local government subsidized units exist, that are far below market price.
Where I live they go for about $300 a month.
I do have a very well informed opinion on these programs.
I qualify for food stamps, but don't use it because I don't need it.
I'm also very much aware how traditional monthly cash payment welfare, has shifted to refundable tax credits, in the top ranges of around $8000 a year.
Seriously? Where do you live? I bargain shop and I can't keep my food budget under $150 a month.
Local government assitance eh? The only reason I could imagine a local government would foot the bill for somethng like that was if there was a real need for it. Local governments tend to be awfully onery about how they spend their money because they are more accountable.
I'm not familiar with that statistic. I would have to see how you derived that figure to know how credible it is.
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