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The Welfare State Corrupts Absolutely

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Ahhhh the smell of Corporatism the stuff totalitarian states are made of.

Campaign For Liberty — The Welfare State Corrupts Absolutely   | by Sheldon Richman
 
The Welfare State enslaves absolutely.

Another good point regarding the loss of Personal Responsibility and Accountability in this Nation...
 
The welfare state corrupts by killing the individual's spirit (by that, I am referring to human drive to create and produce) and making the individual an indentured servant to the State. I believe that humans, by nature, need to create and produce, and without the freedom to do so, even if the need is merely to feed oneself, he lacks the necessary tools for creating and maintaining an autonomous sense of self-esteem. Children are basically psychological slaves to their parents, in a manner of speaking. As is natural for them, they grow to resent the parent who refuses to let the child grow up and become himself. The welfare system, although it has good intentions, and does perform a sometimes necessary role, is very much like the parent who stifles and controls the child.
 

What utter nonsense!

What corrupts is the systematic oppression of a people in a subversive attempt to disolved, destroy or otherwise restrict their ability to progress.

Now, I'm not saying that this is what's happening currently in American culture, but it certainly was the case not more than four decades ago.

To the issue of the "welfare state", I agree that those who use welfare as a crutch are simply abusing the system, thereby lowering the standards of both a people and quite possibly the community inwhich they live, but welfare, when used as a means to an end and not merely as "the means" is a positive, not a negative.

Put simply: There are people in this country who, through no fault of their own, need a leg up. And if the state provides a means bywhich such an individual can get out of their troubled situation, then by all means such aid should be afforded to them, but NOT as a long-term support system that replaces one's ability or will to get out and find a way to fend for themselves. "Work-fare" should replace "welfare" in much the same way as unemployment compensation mirrors that of social security benefits for the retired working class.

I believe all states should implement a welfare system whereby such social service benefits are allotted for a specific period of time. Once your time limit is up, you're off the system. Moreover, if welfare, like unemployment benefits, were tied to job seeking, I'm convinced alot more people would look for work and FIND IT. Furthermore, fewer young women would act so irresponsibly as to have children out of wedlock and "feed" off the system or draw out their unemployment benefits just because they can. This is NOT to say that all women (or men) who find themselves in such a position are the problem. For the young woman who sees welfare as her first, best resort, her baby-daddy, IMO, is more to blame than she for NOT stepping up to their responsibility as men. But she bares a responsibility, as well, for having unpretected sex.

Yes, there are some young women out there who don't learn their lesson and stay on the system for years and just keep having babies with no real intension of finding work. And on the equally opposite side of this dilemma we have men (and in some cases, women, too) who will wait until just before their unemployment benefits run out before giving serious effort towards finding a job. Both propetuate the "social underclass" problem.

But make no mistake; there are people out there who by no fault of their own were forced unto the system and are trying very hard to get off that gravy train because they have enough pride in themselves to want to do better for themselves. To that, you can't lump everyone on welfare or who receives some form of social services aid in the same basket. It's disingenuous and very narrow-minded to think so.
 
Your view of welfare state is narrow and focused. Overall, more government invovlement (broadly speaking) creates the welfare state - dependent upon government to provide things individuals should be providing for themselves. I see "welfare state" and do not think of welfare per se ... but the general view of control and dependency.
 
What corrupts is the systematic oppression of a people in a subversive attempt to disolved, destroy or otherwise restrict their ability to progress.

That is exactly what happens with the welfare system. It was created to try and help people who were in need, from what I understand. The system has created continuous generations of people who know no other way of life. To stay in the system requires making decisions that are generally counterproductive to leading an independent life. These people are victims of the system which has created a dependent state of mind.


I'm not lumping everyone on welfare into the same basket. I'm lumping the system into a basket which I believe corrupts and destroys creative productive lives by making those people jump through hoops to stay in the system. In many cases, it's the only life they've ever known.
 
Here's a couple of links that may be helpful or of interest:

Star Parker : Back on Uncle Sam's Plantation - Townhall.com

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Coalition on Urban Renewal and Education
 
If you ever read 1984 or watch "V is for Vendetta" then you can see the dangers of a nanny state, and how they perpetuate their power.
 

In that case, I stand corrected and humbly apologize.
 
OV- I certainly wasn't trying to offend you or anyone else. In my view, the welfare system does create misery and discontent, and when a person reaches the point that living that way is preferable to living a productive and independent life, his very spirit has been crushed, often beyond repair. I'm not demonizing them. I think it's a travesty that this has happened to anyone. It takes a person of character to pull himself out of that mindset and way of life, and I applaud every one of them that do.
 
Give a Man a Fish, Feed him for a day.

Kill a Man and eat him, Feast for a week.
 

You can apply this line of thinking, not only for indiviuals underneath government, but to the various levels of government itself. Look at the relationship between states and the federal government, and how the feds basically use the carrot-stick of funding, to get states to voluntarily give up some aspects of their own power to the federal government, or to practice the guidelines the government wants them to follow. Once the state gets a small taste for that funding, its basically game over for them.
 

Example: National Speed Limit or Bye-Bye DOT Funding.
 

And I apologize again for the "long winded disortation". ( allsogreat)

Initially, I took you to mean that most people go onto social service programs like welfare with the sole purpose of remaining on such programs indefinitely. But after reading your secondary reply (and, of course, taking allsogreat's advise and re-reading your initial post and my own), I realized he was right; we were saying relatively the same thing.

I do believe there are some people out there who, through no fault of their own, need help anyway they can get it. And if it happens to come from the state or federal government, so be it. But I also think that these same people need to be given incintives to help them get beyond the welfare state. It's why I applaud "work-fare" over "welfare". I believe it making a plan to get people out of object poverty, but people in such situations really do need to lower their pride alittle and do whatever it takes to lift themselves up. Of course, that's easier said than done.

While there are people out there who really do need the help, there are just as many people out there if not more who will and have taken full advantage of the system and use it as their sole lifeline. It's those people who really should be taking advantage of retraining programs and put on a path towards earning real income via real employment or cut off. Of course, there's more to it than just re-educating/re-training people. You also have to do things on the periphery of employment that will enable people to get back to work. But until the states get with the program and change the rules to entitlement for these programs, I'm afraid those who take advantage of such programs will continue to do so and most certainly propetuate a state of dependency, as well as a false sense of "entitlement" instead of fostering a sense of pride and dignity.

Like you, I'm not lumping everyone in the same basket, but there are some who take full advantage of the system and have no intentions of getting off that gravy train. Those such folks need to be cut off and made to get out in the workforce and earn their money. But until the system changes...
 
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Absolutely.

Btw, I do support government funding for education IF the recipient can use it to become independent, and I think it should cover not only higher education, but trade skills as well. Let's face it, not everyone is capable of earning a college degree, but there are great opportunities for people who learn useful skills and apply them. To me, the most important part of education and independence is what it does for an individual psychologically and "spiritually" (although this is not really the appropriate term, it has to do with a person's sense of self-worth, and I see this as severely lacking among many in our society).
Yes, a great many people do abuse it, and frankly, much of the abuse nowadays is among people who were not raised in "the system", but have learned there are ways to get in it and take advantage of it.
 


After 30k in tuition and 2 schools later, I finally gave in and got a Pell Grant. It's so nice to go to school for free and have enough left over for a burger.

:lol:
 
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