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The Vulgar Manliness of Donald Trump

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The most striking aspect of the rise and reign of Donald Trump has been his unabashed display of vulgarity and the ease (so far) with which he gets away with it. “Vulgar,” a term of condescension, is not often heard in democracies, where it most applies. It certainly applies to The Donald. The brazen insults he strewed along his path to the presidency were more than enough to deserve the plain name of vulgar. His success despite them suggests something even more upsetting than Trump himself: that his vulgar manliness was not a drag but an advantage.
The whole Trump phenomenon, both the man and the people he appeals to, reminds us of the vulgarity in democracy. Or more, of human vulgarity—since disrespect for the high and mighty can have universal appeal.
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https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/vulgar-manliness-donald-trump/

I don't agree with all the conclusions but it is a good article.

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MaggieD said:
He has no filter. Worse, he's close to proving he can't be trained. I'd put money on the thought that very many people who voted for him are sorry they did. Unfortunately, too many of us couldn't stomach the only realistic alternative.
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I did not vote for him... but I'm still happy he's president of Hillary Clinton
 
Hawkeye10 said:
that is what happens when a great many people decide that the standards of conduct have been rigged by the Elite to drive us all to UTOPIA as if we are cattle, which is a rejection of our humanity, it is a rejection of our say in what happens to us.
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would someone please translate this post into english
 
justabubba said:
would someone please translate this post into english
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It is, but my analyzer says that it was written at the 25th grade level on the Flesch-Kincaid scale, so not everyone will get it.

I am fine with that.
 
MaggieD said:
He has no filter. Worse, he's close to proving he can't be trained. I'd put money on the thought that very many people who voted for him are sorry they did. Unfortunately, too many of us couldn't stomach the only realistic alternative.
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He's a New Yorker...not a surprise he's an asshole.
 
I view Trumps success and popularity as something similar to Heels on WWE. The heel is normally not meant to become very popular, and be a foil for the "face". About 20 years ago on the WWE, the heels started to become popular, rude crude and loud became the most popular stars on WWE, from Triple H, to Stone Cold, the anti hero became the stars. It was around the same time as when Donald did some guest appearances.

I expect Trump learned a lot about the american people during that time, and he used it well during this past election cycle. He was rude crude and loud and enough of the American people loved him enough to get him the Republican nomination. Enough like him and hated Clinton enough to get him to be president.
 
ChezC3 said:
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/vulgar-manliness-donald-trump/

I don't agree with all the conclusions but it is a good article.

Read and comment...
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A most excellent and thought provoking article. I was struck by this near the very end

The Founders made a constitutional democracy with, among other things, an electoral college, of which Trump took full advantage, that was meant to keep people like him from ever winning office.
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Yes indeed - the EC was meant to keep people like him out of the presidency. And they failed to do that. When Alexander ("It's Quieter Uptown") Hamilton wrote Federalist Paper 68 and tried to sell the American people on the Electoral College he told us that these were men of special talent and discernment who would protect the nation from - among other things - creatures of foreign adversaries seeking to install them in our highest office. Too bad they did NOT do their duty this time on that count either.
 
justabubba said:
would someone please translate this post into english
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sure thing - Trump is a vulgar asshole elected by other vulgar assholes who resent being told they should not be vulgar assholes.

Hope that comes across clearly.
 
haymarket said:
A most excellent and thought provoking article. I was struck by this near the very end



Yes indeed - the EC was meant to keep people like him out of the presidency. And they failed to do that. When Alexander ("It's Quieter Uptown") Hamilton wrote Federalist Paper 68 and tried to sell the American people on the Electoral College he told us that these were men of special talent and discernment who would protect the nation from - among other things - creatures of foreign adversaries seeking to install them in our highest office. Too bad they did NOT do their duty this time on that count either.
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don't let fieldermouse see this post!
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
I view Trumps success and popularity as something similar to Heels on WWE. The heel is normally not meant to become very popular, and be a foil for the "face". About 20 years ago on the WWE, the heels started to become popular, rude crude and loud became the most popular stars on WWE, from Triple H, to Stone Cold, the anti hero became the stars. It was around the same time as when Donald did some guest appearances.

I expect Trump learned a lot about the american people during that time, and he used it well during this past election cycle. He was rude crude and loud and enough of the American people loved him enough to get him the Republican nomination. Enough like him and hated Clinton enough to get him to be president.
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WWF - now WWE - was late to the game as usual as other associations had heels who were usually popular including Ric Flair and Bruiser Brody among others back in the 70's and 80's.
 
haymarket said:
sure thing - Trump is a vulgar asshole elected by other vulgar assholes who resent being told they should not be vulgar assholes.

Hope that comes across clearly.
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Completely out of control. Calling millions of voter your silly pet name!
Trump is the president for the next 4 years. Get used to it!!
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
I view Trumps success and popularity as something similar to Heels on WWE. The heel is normally not meant to become very popular, and be a foil for the "face". About 20 years ago on the WWE, the heels started to become popular, rude crude and loud became the most popular stars on WWE, from Triple H, to Stone Cold, the anti hero became the stars. It was around the same time as when Donald did some guest appearances.

I expect Trump learned a lot about the american people during that time, and he used it well during this past election cycle. He was rude crude and loud and enough of the American people loved him enough to get him the Republican nomination. Enough like him and hated Clinton enough to get him to be president.
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Good Call.

Being outlandish and borish also generally works in our culture now, as is easily proven by seeing how so many people are outlandish and borish.
 
It's not all that surprising that he enjoyed overwhelming support from evangelicals, given his ability to couch an argument in such pious and humble terms (NSFW)

 
Hawkeye10 said:
Good Call.

Being outlandish and borish also generally works in our culture now, as is easily proven by seeing how so many people are outlandish and borish.
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to be peecee is to show respect

our orange leader has told us to quit being peecee

we have been called upon to become more boorish
 
MaggieD said:
He has no filter. Worse, he's close to proving he can't be trained. I'd put money on the thought that very many people who voted for him are sorry they did. Unfortunately, too many of us couldn't stomach the only realistic alternative.
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I don't believe that they're sorry they did, I think it's just a much more deeper feeling of embarrassment. It's a guilty pleasure so to speak.

What this article dances around but didn't address, (because it would seem like a compliment, which we know isn't coming from Commentary) which to me, I believe is the reason most people supported and still do support him is that whether he's vulgar or polite, rude and obnoxious or reserved and "Presidential" -- he exudes a feeling of "genuine-ness".

What you see is what you get.

A freedom to act as you want free of the constraints society has heaped upon us. That's very appealing. People can gain some measure of themselves back vicariously through him. This goes beyond just the agree or disagree stage of what he says, but deeper into that he says it. Millions of people every day have to check themselves and think about how what they're about to say is going to be perceived and how that will affect them in the positive or the negative, what's the fall out gonna be, is it going to make me shine or look like an imbecile, is this person gonna be offended, how are they gonna take this, should I say it, so on and so forth...

It's his reckless abandon that people admire, because in the "lower echelons" in our society, the trades, the blue collar types -- that's how people speak to one another, or at least they use to.

That's because there was a time not so long ago that people weren't out looking to take offense at what other people said to them. Benefit of the doubt was given because it was assumed everyone was basically a good person and not looking to insult anyone.

Part of what I have taken from the "Make America Great Again" slogan (and a lot of people have agreed with me *anecdotal I know) is simply to turn America back to another time when everyone didn't have a stick up their ass.

That's the way I see it, anyhow...:shrug:
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Completely out of control. Calling millions of voter your silly pet name!
Trump is the president for the next 4 years. Get used to it!!
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The Klown will not last four years. Get used to that.
 
ChezC3 said:
I don't believe that they're sorry they did, I think it's just a much more deeper feeling of embarrassment. It's a guilty pleasure so to speak.

What this article dances around but didn't address, (because it would seem like a compliment, which we know isn't coming from Commentary) which to me, I believe is the reason most people supported and still do support him is that whether he's vulgar or polite, rude and obnoxious or reserved and "Presidential" -- he exudes a feeling of "genuine-ness".

What you see is what you get.

A freedom to act as you want free of the constraints society has heaped upon us. That's very appealing. People can gain some measure of themselves back vicariously through him. This goes beyond just the agree or disagree stage of what he says, but deeper into that he says it. Millions of people every day have to check themselves and think about how what they're about to say is going to be perceived and how that will affect them in the positive or the negative, what's the fall out gonna be, is it going to make me shine or look like an imbecile, is this person gonna be offended, how are they gonna take this, should I say it, so on and so forth...

It's his reckless abandon that people admire, because in the "lower echelons" in our society, the trades, the blue collar types -- that's how people speak to one another, or at least they use to.

That's because there was a time not so long ago that people weren't out looking to take offense at what other people said to them. Benefit of the doubt was given because it was assumed everyone was basically a good person and not looking to insult anyone.

Part of what I have taken from the "Make America Great Again" slogan (and a lot of people have agreed with me *anecdotal I know) is simply to turn America back to another time when everyone didn't have a stick up their ass.

That's the way I see it, anyhow...:shrug:
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Great post.
 
haymarket said:
WWF - now WWE - was late to the game as usual as other associations had heels who were usually popular including Ric Flair and Bruiser Brody among others back in the 70's and 80's.
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As a side note

Rick Flair is in the hospital I believe, rushed in this past weekend
 
Tanngrisnir said:
It's not all that surprising that he enjoyed overwhelming support from evangelicals, given his ability to couch an argument in such pious and humble terms (NSFW)
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A lot of words have been spilled trying to explain why evangelicals support Trump, most of them wrong.

Here is the main answer: Nobody in America felt like they had been deliberately lied to by the Elite more than Evangelicals.... all of those promises made while asking for votes, almost none of them kept, almost no effort being made to keep the promise over and over again as Christianity in America continued in steep decline.

Trump was different, he seemed honest, maybe Trump would keep his word.

And he has.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
A lot of words have been spilled trying to explain why evangelicals support Trump, most of them wrong.

Here is the main answer: Nobody in America felt like they had been deliberately lied to by the Elite more than Evangelicals.... all of those promises made while asking for votes, almost none of them kept, almost no effort being made to keep the promise over and over again as Christianity in America continued in steep decline.

Trump was different, he seemed honest, maybe Trump would keep his word.

And he has.
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A pathological liar, perpetual business cheat, serial adulterer, twice divorced, foul-mouthed braggart who espoused violence was 'honest'?

So, IOW, what you're actually saying is that evangelicals who voted for him are either raging hypocrites and profoundly stupid.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
A pathological liar, perpetual business cheat, serial adulterer, twice divorced, foul-mouthed braggart who espoused violence was 'honest'?

So, IOW, what you're actually saying is that evangelicals who voted for him are either raging hypocrites and profoundly stupid.
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They cared more about other things, for instance burning down the Washington that had lied to them so often and so easily.

And yes, Trump is in many ways one of the most honest people I have ever seen asking to be our President, a good third of this country to this day claims that Trump is honest so you should not be parading the statement "Trump is a liar" around as if it were established fact, because it is not.
 
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