The voter fraud myth. This is for all the trump supporters and their demand for more secure elections.

[bongsaway]

I want all the folks who keep repeating this bullcrap to take a look at reality and after you do you can say you disagree and it's a lie and voter fraud is everywhere and the rest of us will shake our heads and say, bless their little hearts.

Debunking the Voter Fraud Myth

The president has continued to claim voter fraud was a problem in the 2016 election. A look at the facts makes clear fraud is rare, and does not happen on a scale even close to necessary to “rig” an election.

www.brennancenter.org

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/debunking-voter-fraud-myth I particularly like this one where forty one percent of republicans think the election will be stolen from trump. Wonder where they got this idea from?

Debunking the Voter Fraud Myth

The president has continued to claim voter fraud was a problem in the 2016 election. A look at the facts makes clear fraud is rare, and does not happen on a scale even close to necessary to “rig” an election.

www.brennancenter.org

Now don't be shy my republican counterparts, please proceed to tell us how all of these things are wrong and they just hate trump.

 

[Cardinal]

Voter fraud is a euphemism for “Democrats voting and winning elections.” That’s why conservatives don’t care when you ask them for evidence of voter fraud - they’re using a different definition of voter fraud than you are.

 

[gdgyva]

those of us that want voter ID are saying we want it to PREVENT FRAUD

and you all come back and say, but fraud isnt an issue

really? how would you really know....especially since most states dont have standardized rules where it is the same everywhere

your other response is, "it isnt fair to ethnicities", or "its a poll tax"

the idea is the states provide a FREE ID....and yes, they will work with anyone who cant provide the necessary documentation

the idea is to get our elections as close to 100% fraud free as possible, and where no one can challenge them

that is the idea....all i hear from democrats is NO NO NO....not fair

 

[Jay59]

Voter fraud is a euphemism for “Democrats voting and winning elections.” That’s why conservatives don’t care when you ask them for evidence of voter fraud - they’re using a different definition of voter fraud than you are.

It's straight out saying Democrats cheated to win the election. Don't sugarcoat it.

 

[Cardinal]

It's straight out saying Democrats cheated to win the election. Don't sugarcoat it.

Your definition of "cheating": Democrats voting and winning elections. See, I know better than to demand evidence of cheating because I know what definition you're working with.

 

[Cardinal]

those of us that want voter ID are saying we want it to PREVENT FRAUD

and you all come back and say, but fraud isnt an issue

really? how would you really know....especially since most states dont have standardized rules where it is the same everywhere

your other response is, "it isnt fair to ethnicities", or "its a poll tax"

the idea is the states provide a FREE ID....and yes, they will work with anyone who cant provide the necessary documentation

the idea is to get our elections as close to 100% fraud free as possible, and where no one can challenge them

that is the idea....all i hear from democrats is NO NO NO....not fair

Voter ID is perfectly fine when it's not cynically used as part of a broader effort to reduce voter turnout.

 

[Mycroft]

I want all the folks who keep repeating this bullcrap to take a look at reality and after you do you can say you disagree and it's a lie and voter fraud is everywhere and the rest of us will shake our heads and say, bless their little hearts.

Debunking the Voter Fraud Myth

The president has continued to claim voter fraud was a problem in the 2016 election. A look at the facts makes clear fraud is rare, and does not happen on a scale even close to necessary to “rig” an election.

www.brennancenter.org

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/debunking-voter-fraud-myth I particularly like this one where forty one percent of republicans think the election will be stolen from trump. Wonder where they got this idea from?

Debunking the Voter Fraud Myth

The president has continued to claim voter fraud was a problem in the 2016 election. A look at the facts makes clear fraud is rare, and does not happen on a scale even close to necessary to “rig” an election.

www.brennancenter.org

Now don't be shy my republican counterparts, please proceed to tell us how all of these things are wrong and they just hate trump.

Cool. Voter fraud is a myth.

Now, let's talk about election fraud...which just so happens to be what that 41% of Republicans were talking about.

 

[Blue Dog]

 

[soap box]

It's straight out saying Democrats cheated to win the election. Don't sugarcoat it.

Prove the accusation.

 

[Manc Skipper]

those of us that want voter ID are saying we want it to PREVENT FRAUD

and you all come back and say, but fraud isnt an issue

really? how would you really know....especially since most states dont have standardized rules where it is the same everywhere

your other response is, "it isnt fair to ethnicities", or "its a poll tax"

the idea is the states provide a FREE ID....and yes, they will work with anyone who cant provide the necessary documentation

the idea is to get our elections as close to 100% fraud free as possible, and where no one can challenge them

that is the idea....all i hear from democrats is NO NO NO....not fair

Your "solutions" for your alleged fraud risk all reduce Democratic Party votes.

 

[Jay59]

Your definition of "cheating": Democrats voting and winning elections.

Not my definition. Republicans are flatly accusing Democrats of cheating to win the 2020 election.

See, I know better than to demand evidence of cheating because I know what definition you're working with.

Republicans don't lack evidence. It isn't enough for proof in court, but that's a very high standard.

Prove the accusation.

That's unnecessary. They have more than enough evidence to justify better safeguards.

 

[Dans La Lune]

It's a simple fact that conservative power would IMMEDIATELY slip away if there were fair and free elections. They cannot win on ideas, they cannot win on demographics. Simply put, they cannot win without cheating. They know it, we all know it. There is not even a pretense that conservatives aren't trying to jimmy the system.

The reason Democrats are not doing it is because they simply don't need to. A fair system favors them.

 

[element94]

I want all the folks who keep repeating this bullcrap to take a look at reality and after you do you can say you disagree and it's a lie and voter fraud is everywhere and the rest of us will shake our heads and say, bless their little hearts.

Debunking the Voter Fraud Myth

The president has continued to claim voter fraud was a problem in the 2016 election. A look at the facts makes clear fraud is rare, and does not happen on a scale even close to necessary to “rig” an election.

www.brennancenter.org

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/debunking-voter-fraud-myth I particularly like this one where forty one percent of republicans think the election will be stolen from trump. Wonder where they got this idea from?

Debunking the Voter Fraud Myth

The president has continued to claim voter fraud was a problem in the 2016 election. A look at the facts makes clear fraud is rare, and does not happen on a scale even close to necessary to “rig” an election.

www.brennancenter.org

Now don't be shy my republican counterparts, please proceed to tell us how all of these things are wrong and they just hate trump.

They don't care if it's actually true or not; they repeat it because he scratches their number one itch: the creation of a white national ethnostate.

 

[Cardinal]

Not my definition. Republicans are flatly accusing Democrats of cheating to win the 2020 election.

It's your working definition. If your definition of cheating wasn't "Democrats voting and winning elections," your position that Democrats cheat wouldn't make any sense.

Republicans don't lack evidence. It isn't enough for proof in court, but that's a very high standard.


That's unnecessary. They have more than enough evidence to justify better safeguards.

 

[code1211]

I want all the folks who keep repeating this bullcrap to take a look at reality and after you do you can say you disagree and it's a lie and voter fraud is everywhere and the rest of us will shake our heads and say, bless their little hearts.

Debunking the Voter Fraud Myth

The president has continued to claim voter fraud was a problem in the 2016 election. A look at the facts makes clear fraud is rare, and does not happen on a scale even close to necessary to “rig” an election.

www.brennancenter.org

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/debunking-voter-fraud-myth I particularly like this one where forty one percent of republicans think the election will be stolen from trump. Wonder where they got this idea from?

Debunking the Voter Fraud Myth

The president has continued to claim voter fraud was a problem in the 2016 election. A look at the facts makes clear fraud is rare, and does not happen on a scale even close to necessary to “rig” an election.

www.brennancenter.org

Now don't be shy my republican counterparts, please proceed to tell us how all of these things are wrong and they just hate trump.

Pennsylvania and Michigan both made it illegal to verify the qualifications of voters.

 

[Jay59]

It's your working definition.

Again, not my definition.

If your definition of cheating wasn't "Democrats voting and winning elections," your position that Democrats cheat wouldn't make any sense.

This makes no sense. Try making your point more clearly.

Regardless, the Republicans say that Democrats cheated. They have evidence in support of this claim. They are making efforts to prevent a second occurrence. What do you find out of place in this logic?

 

[Cardinal]

Again, not my definition.


This makes no sense. Try making your point more clearly.

Regardless, the Republicans say that Democrats cheated. They have evidence in support of this claim. They are making efforts to prevent a second occurrence. What do you find out of place in this logic?

It's simple: It's been almost exactly a year since Republicans first advanced the theory that Democrats cheated in 2020. In that year, no evidence of such cheating has been offered. So there are several reasonable takeaways from this:

1) Republicans are merely parroting this as a form of team chant. This means that they're lying, and because of the propensity of Republicans to lie this is of course a reasonable explanation.

2) Republicans actually believe there is cheating. However, since they have no evidence of cheating in the sense of the word that everybody else understands the word, this must mean the working definition they're using is different than everybody else's definition. The reasonable explanation is that Republicans believe that only they are the legitimate people to determine who holds power, and if they don't win elections then something illegitimate took place. By that right, "cheating" means "Republicans not winning elections," as well as "Democrats winning elections."

 

[Ikari]

Cool. Voter fraud is a myth.

Now, let's talk about election fraud...which just so happens to be what that 41% of Republicans were talking about.

That's also a myth, just hysterics thrown out by people unable to come to grips with the fact that Trump lost.

 

[soap box]

Not my definition. Republicans are flatly accusing Democrats of cheating to win the 2020 election.


Republicans don't lack evidence. It isn't enough for proof in court, but that's a very high standard.


That's unnecessary. They have more than enough evidence to justify better safeguards.

SO if you need safeguards, tell us how the deomcrats cheated.

 

[Jay59]

It's simple: It's been almost exactly a year since Republicans first advanced the theory that Democrats cheated in 2020. In that year, no evidence of such cheating has been offered.

This is one of the lies. There has been a great deal of evidence presented.

So there are several reasonable takeaways from this:

I'll believe reasonable if I see it.

1) Republicans are merely parroting this as a form of team chant. This means that they're lying, and because of the propensity of Republicans to lie this is of course a reasonable explanation.

That's not reasonable.

2) Republicans actually believe there is cheating.

That is reasonable since that is what they have been saying and presenting evidence concerning.

However, since they have no evidence of cheating in the sense of the word that everybody else understands the word, this must mean the working definition they're using is different than everybody else's definition.

We are back to repeating the lie. There is evidence in the sense everyone means to word evidence. You choose to define evidence as something else.

The reasonable explanation is that Republicans believe that only they are the legitimate people to determine who holds power

We are back to the wildly unreasonable. Republicans believe voters should do that. More to the point, they are taking steps to ensure that voters are able to do determine who holds power.

, and if they don't win elections then something illegitimate took place.

They have evidence something illegitimate did take place, so that's appropriate.

By that right, "cheating" means "Republicans not winning elections," as well as "Democrats winning elections."

This is you projecting your fears.

 

[soap box]

Republicans don't lack evidence. It isn't enough for proof in court, but that's a very high standard.


T

Gee, such a high standard, do you mean , in court they have to tell the truth?

 

[Cardinal]

This is one of the lies. There has been a great deal of evidence presented.


I'll believe reasonable if I see it.


That's not reasonable.


That is reasonable since that is what they have been saying and presenting evidence concerning.


We are back to repeating the lie. There is evidence in the sense everyone means to word evidence. You choose to define evidence as something else.


We are back to the wildly unreasonable. Republicans believe voters should do that. More to the point, they are taking steps to ensure that voters are able to do determine who holds power.


They have evidence something illegitimate did take place, so that's appropriate.


This is you projecting your fears.

What there's evidence of is Democrats voting and winning elections. What there isn't evidence of is them cheating using a definition that everybody but trump supporters use. After a year of claiming there's evidence of cheating (the definition that everybody else uses; not your weird one), and then refusing to supply that evidence, nobody's obligated to take your word for it that cheating occurred.

 

[OscarLevant]

those of us that want voter ID are saying we want it to PREVENT FRAUD

and you all come back and say, but fraud isnt an issue

really? how would you really know....especially since most states dont have standardized rules where it is the same everywhere

your other response is, "it isnt fair to ethnicities", or "its a poll tax"

the idea is the states provide a FREE ID....and yes, they will work with anyone who cant provide the necessary documentation

the idea is to get our elections as close to 100% fraud free as possible, and where no one can challenge them

that is the idea....all i hear from democrats is NO NO NO....not fair

Voter ID was accepted in the voting rights bill, which McConnell filibustered. So, you can no longer argue dems are against voter ID.

This issue now is whether a state's voter ID law is fair, such as requiring college students to have a state ID when they are just in state for college, Dems argue is not fair. The solution would be to provide students with a state ID as soon as they can prove enrollment in a 2 or 4 year program. But, repubs won't do that. Why? They don't want college students voting because they tend to be liberal.

But discouraging liberals from voting is the prime mover of all republican anti-democracy laws.

Just because a republican argues that such laws are not anti-democratic given there is no specific language to that effect in any of the new laws, doesn't discount the reality that they are anti-democratic in their practical effect.

 

[Subieguy]

Cool. Voter fraud is a myth.

Now, let's talk about election fraud...which just so happens to be what that 41% of Republicans were talking about.

and they would still be completely wrong, and everyone knows this but you and those 41%. Next.

 

[Cardinal]

Voter fraud is a euphemism for “Democrats voting and winning elections.” That’s why conservatives don’t care when you ask them for evidence of voter fraud - they’re using a different definition of voter fraud than you are.

I just realized I used "euphemism" incorrectly. I wanted the opposite of euphemism, though I'm not sure what the best word for that would be.