So, if the left think our democracy is being threatened, and so does the right, who is correct?No, I don't equate them. Although I do believe that our democracy being under threat could be used as justification or belief that there will eventually be a major conflict such as a civil war. As for how many believe that, I have no idea. As for the poll's legitimacy, I don't find it that hard to believe since Trump supporters here almost all seem to believe this, and they make up a very large part of the GOP base.
Left leaning media are the ones that actively run these stories about random posters or crazed folks and that civil war is around the corner. Just do a google search if you're bored.Again, I was rebutting your claim that it is somehow the left that is actively promoting civil war. No, there’s not going to be one, but the FBI bulletin shows that they are concerned about the potential actions of a “lone wolf” or a few right wing nutcases, ala Timothy McVeigh. That is where the threat is real.
Given that the Democrats are mostly trying to make America look more like Canada, Australia, Europe etc, it would be pretty funny if a wave of conservatoves suddenly decided to emmigrate to those countries to escape a more liberal America.Correct!
There will be NO Civil War.
What there will be is continued seething resentment at how the woke Dems are changing this nation.
But everyone (except a few nuts) will continue their daily lives as usual: work, eat, sleep, hobbies, traveling, and occasionally watching a few minutes of the ever woke "news." Americans will act the way people act in other authoritarian nations: ignore politics and enjoy life.
This country is changing demographically and that means big changes are coming -- like it or not.
I expect that in the next century, some (a lot?) who do not like the changes will be emigrating.
To Canada or Mexico?
To Australia?
To Europe? (That continent in the next century might welcome American immigrants.
So, if the left think our democracy is being threatened, and so does the right, who is correct?
Left leaning media are the ones that actively run these stories about random posters or crazed folks and that civil war is around the corner. Just do a google search if you're bored.
it would depend on the reasoning of that individual
are there common reasons that individuals are saying
i know that 1/6 and people trying to hurt our voting process and the nutters pushing the fale propaganda that the election was stolen by mass voter fraud or election fraud is a common one and its valid but honest educated objective people on the right and left point that out so that's not a right left issue
what other common reasons are being cited for the threat to democracy??
Oh my gosh, Fox had a story about civil war.And yet the link that I showed was FOX.
how doe this factually threaten democracy?illegal immigration/sovereignty
see aboveclass-warfare
see above,economic
see above (this has existed since the birth of the country),political divisiveness
see above, national policy
see above, electoral college
I'm not arguing that either are correct, I just don't agree that it's mostly the left that believes in these threats.So, if the left think our democracy is being threatened, and so does the right, who is correct?
illegal immigration/sovereignty, class-warfare, economic, political divisiveness, national policy, electoral college, etc, etc.
Oh my gosh, Fox had a story about civil war.They represent the entirety of the media said no one. I think your average person knows who's keeping the thought of "civil war" in the minds of voters and it's not Fox.
That is some funny stuff. Who are these honest, educated people you speak of that don't think any of the things listed being a threat to democracy? Do you believe unchecked immigration does not have impact and therefore upset the system threatening democracy? Do you believe that economics doesn't play a part in upending governmental systems? Do you not believe there is rising tensions between social and economic classes that could affect our current system? Do you believe policy does not play a part in these things?how doe this factually threaten democracy?
see above
see above
see above (this has existed since the birth of the country)
see above
see above
so the actual answer is you don't have any issues that actually threatened democracy and are agreed upon by honest, educated objective people
weird, ill ask AGAIN and i agree your post is funny stuffThat is some funny stuff. Who are these honest, educated people you speak of that don't think any of the things listed being a threat to democracy? Do you believe unchecked immigration does not have impact and therefore upset the system threatening democracy? Do you believe that economics doesn't play a part in upending governmental systems? Do you not believe there is rising tensions between social and economic classes that could affect our current system? Do you believe policy does not play a part in these things?
If everyone and every culture were created equally, there would be no changes and no need TO change.Do "demographics" scare you? Why so frightened?
This nation was founded by imposing our culture on the people who already lived here.If everyone and every culture were created equally, there would be no changes and no need TO change.
They are not though.
Demographics don't need to 'scare', they are simply different and some people would choose not to live under those 'different' scenarios I guess.
I'm sure any changes would be slight and like death by a thousand cuts (only not really dieing)
At the risk of sounding Intellectual, if we are talking about Civil War in the context of the splitting of the country into warring factions with set piece pitched battles and the like, forget it,. Not going to happen.
If we are talking about the level of "incivility" continuing to a point of being unbearable, because nobody does anything about it allowing intimidation to become cherished and admired even more than it is now, that is a possibility.
The Duke Woman's volleyball team played BYU at BYU. The Black players playing for Duke were incessantly harassed, unspeakably so by BYU fans. IMO, the contest should have been stopped at that point. Somebody from BYU administration should have taken the microphone and said "KNOCK IT OFF" or I will not allow this match to continue and I will take a forfeiture of the match.
The most vocal of the BYU fans was ultimately told to leave and told he would be refused entrance to any campus sporting event again. IMO, NOT ENOUGH....not nearly enough and too late at that.
I've grown tired of the civil war rhetoric because it's just not feasible given how this country is divided. Our demographics are much different than the last time we had a civil war, and the reasons are also very different. There is no real scenario where things can divide along the same lines as they did in the 1860s because you have red states with blue cities, and our economies are more tied together. The whole idea is asinine.
I've been saying for YEARS that it would not be a repeat of 1861, with secessions, North-South borders and formal armies.
What we want to call it isn't important, so for now, "civil war" is as good a term to describe it as any but as for how it would LOOK, I'm saying that it would resemble what folks in Northern Ireland had to endure for thirty years.
The Irish called it "The Troubles".
Various groups carried out a guerrilla campaign against British forces as well as a bombing campaign against infrastructural, commercial and political targets. Loyalists attacked republicans/nationalists and the wider Catholic community in what they described as retaliation. At times, there were bouts of sectarian tit-for-tat violence, as well as feuds within and between paramilitary groups.
---We're talking about mass shootings, pitched street battles, bombing public spots, like restaurants, night clubs, schools, hospitals, infrastructure like power stations, media outlets, government agencies, gas stations, various battles between churches similar to the Jonesboro Church Wars of the 1930's in Arkansas.
I doubt anyone is talking about a redux of 1861-1865 in the first place.
You don't HAVE to CALL it a "civil war" however the likelihood of a seemingly endless rash of sporadic senseless violence that seems like it's everywhere IS a pretty solid prospect because fanatical MAGA's LIVE EVERYWHERE, and they are prepping for an endless slog.
We're already seeing it happening now, like the guy who tried to attack the FBI office...just multiply that by ten or twenty where ten or twenty idiots try pulling similar stunts.
Or how about the attempted kidnapping of Governor Whitmer of Michigan, are you unable to picture an even larger group trying again?
FACT: The country is overrun with kooks and nuts with firearms and a chip on their shoulder about Trump.
Shit's gonna happen.
Call it whatever you like, but for now, for LACK of a BETTER AND more accurate term, civil war it is.
If you manage to come up with a better descriptor there's no doubt it will grow legs and people will start referring to it by your tag instead.
And that's fine.
But if you think all will be quiet and tranquil after "the midterms" or after "Trump is arrested" or "Trump is convicted"...you're dreaming.
So Lindsey Graham is a leftist now?Left leaning media are the ones that actively run these stories about random posters or crazed folks and that civil war is around the corner. Just do a google search if you're bored.
I agree. However, we are in a place where violent acts based on politics are increasing. If we do go to war, the military will be on the side of preserving the union.Repeat - not!
I have been a harsh critic of the Right for quite some time (no kidding!) but have to admit the hyperbole on the Left about another Civil War coming is kind of over the top.
So the following article tackled this question and I highlighted a few snippets that I believe to be true. Though I believe the statements made to be true, YOU can disagree with the premise if you want, after all, isn't THAT what debate is for?
The United States is not on the verge of civil war
Have you ever heard of Ben Collins? He is a fixture on television, talking about his beat which is right wing rhetoric on the internet. He currently is focusing on the calls for violence and civil war that escalated after the FBI executed a search warrant at Trump’s Florida estate. The media...www.wamc.org
Snippets:
Agree OR disagree?
Not hyperbole.See post #91.
That there's an increase of political violence is something completely different than a civil war, and that's what's been referenced in this thread. I don't doubt the likelihood of political violence, because this country's a powder keg whose volatility continues to increase. I think what would be most accurate is persistent civil unrest, and that's assuming the violence matches that description. I don't think we're there yet, but the potential for civil unrest is always there, but the term "war" should be reserved for something much more dire.I doubt anyone is talking about a redux of 1861-1865 in the first place.
You don't HAVE to CALL it a "civil war" however the likelihood of a seemingly endless rash of sporadic senseless violence that seems like it's everywhere IS a pretty solid prospect because fanatical MAGA's LIVE EVERYWHERE, and they are prepping for an endless slog.
We're already seeing it happening now, like the guy who tried to attack the FBI office...just multiply that by ten or twenty where ten or twenty idiots try pulling similar stunts.
Or how about the attempted kidnapping of Governor Whitmer of Michigan, are you unable to picture an even larger group trying again?
FACT: The country is overrun with kooks and nuts with firearms and a chip on their shoulder about Trump.
Shit's gonna happen.
Call it whatever you like, but for now, for LACK of a BETTER AND more accurate term, civil war it is.
If you manage to come up with a better descriptor there's no doubt it will grow legs and people will start referring to it by your tag instead.
And that's fine.
But if you think all will be quiet and tranquil after "the midterms" or after "Trump is arrested" or "Trump is convicted"...you're dreaming.
And as I said, other countries came up with better tags for what happened to them.That there's an increase of political violence is something completely different than a civil war, and that's what's been referenced in this thread. I don't doubt the likelihood of political violence, because this country's a powder keg whose volatility continues to increase. I think what would be most accurate is persistent civil unrest, and that's assuming the violence matches that description. I don't think we're there yet, but the potential for civil unrest is always there, but the term "war" should be reserved for something much more dire.
Not hyperbole.
Ya know, one of the problems with one word comebacks like muttering "hyperbole" is that half the time (or greater) it winds up that said "hyperbole" was spot on, like when several pundits predicted that Trump would do something incredibly stupid to try and overturn the election. When people predicted that starting in 2017, folks accused THEM of hyperbole.
It has been this way since 1776. And every generation has their grumpy old nuts who yell at clouds. As well as the unhinged twits who spend their days stroking their guns and fantasizing about using them. Yup. America is changing. As it should. As is pretty much every other nation on Earth. Only fools think they can freeze time. Sadly the most vocal of TrumpCons seem to think that no only can they stop progress but they can actually reverse it. And they will be gravely disappointed when the truth hits them.Correct!
There will be NO Civil War.
What there will be is continued seething resentment at how the woke Dems are changing this nation.
But everyone (except a few nuts) will continue their daily lives as usual: work, eat, sleep, hobbies, traveling, and occasionally watching a few minutes of the ever woke "news." Americans will act the way people act in other authoritarian nations: ignore politics and enjoy life.
This country is changing demographically and that means big changes are coming -- like it or not.
I expect that in the next century, some (a lot?) who do not like the changes will be emigrating.
To Canada or Mexico?
To Australia?
To Europe? (That continent in the next century might welcome American immigrants.
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