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Pakistan's nuclear weapons are legal. Iran's and North Korea's are not.
Pakistan's nuclear weapons are legal. Iran's and North Korea's are not.Remember which country harboured Osama bin Laden, the leader of Al Qaida?
That country has nukes.
Yeah, but not at all for Fordo/Fordow.
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So you say. But the IDF seems to have a slightly-different version: the F-15I.
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Israel's trying to wipe out Iran's nuke program. It won't be an easy kill.
Iran has many scientists with nuclear expertise and has stored its most critical facilities in bunkers that may be beyond the reach of Israel's bombs.www.businessinsider.com
June 13, 2025
...However, military and nuclear experts say firepower alone won't be enough to completely wipe out Iran's nuclear program....[Iran] has stored its most critical facilities in bunkers buried deep underground.
This makes the facilities particularly challenging targets that, from the air, can only be reached by the largest bunker busters, which Israel lacks, or repeated strikes in the same spots.
Natanz, home to Iran's largest uranium enrichment site, is located several floors underground in the center of the country. The Israel Defense Forces said its airstrikes damaged an underground area of the facility that contains an enrichment hall with centrifuges, electrical rooms, and additional infrastructure.
Satellite imagery captured on Friday revealed what appears to be significant damage at Natanz, but only on the surface.
Iran's other main enrichment site, Fordow, is buried even deeper in the side of a mountain and is the country's most "hardened" facility, said Darya Dolzikova, a senior research fellow for proliferation and nuclear policy at the UK-based Royal United Services Institute think tank.
In comments shared with Business Insider, Dolzikova said Fordow has not been affected by the Israeli strikes, nor have other locations. "Should Iran make a decision to produce a nuclear weapon, it would likely do that at hardened and potentially still secret sites," she said.
Later on Friday, Iranian media reported explosions at Fordow, suggesting that Israeli forces may be attacking the site in a new wave of strikes.
It's unclear what air-to-ground munitions Israel used to strike Natanz and the other targets affiliated with Iran's nuclear program. However, it would take a very large bunker-buster bomb to reach underground and destroy the more hardened sites.
The likely best weapon for the job is the US military's GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator, one of the most powerful non-nuclear bombs and the largest bunker buster in America's arsenal at 15 tons. These munitions can only be carried by the B-2 Spirit stealth bomber and the B-21 Raider in development.
Israel doesn't have bomber aircraft capable of carrying the largest bunker-buster munitions. The IDF shared footage showing its fighter jets — F-35s, F-16s, and F-15s — taking off and landing during the strikes. Weapons experts pointed out that some of the aircraft appear to be carrying 2,000-pound guided bombs. Israel's F-15I, though, can carry 4,000-pound anti-bunker bombs.
Military analysts with RUSI estimated in March that the Fordow site could be as deep as 260 feet underground, likely beyond the reach of even America's MOP. Damaging it would almost certainly require repeated strikes, likely over days or weeks....
Perhaps trump will go for this option in order to deny that American pilots in American B-2 stealth bombers delivered the American MOP munitions.As the Ukrainians have shown, when there is a burning will there is usually a way. If we are throwing out ideas here is one possible option:
1) Assume that Israel has 100 percent air security over Fordo, the SAM sites that can reach 30,000 feet being disabled.
2) Assume that the US does not wish to be directly involved but is willing to supply the 15 ton MOP bomb to Isreal.
3) Israel, in turn, could load it on one of the C130 cargo planes, which have a 20-ton capacity. It can reach 30,000 feet (ceiling is 33K). The bomb could be set manually, on a pallet system, and slid out the door at 30,000 feet, its drop altitude.
4) It is guided by GPS and as Iran doesn't have jamming ability, it appears that it could hit its target.
Given that a prop plane is going to be slower and without its own radar jamming, the key to success is 100 percent suppression of nearby SAM batteries.
If Israel wants them then most likely they know how they are going to deliver them.
Looking up 15 year old articles will have to wait until tomorrow. I need to get to bed for tonight. But I'll see what I can find tomorrow.If you can provide that (via copies and pastes of excerpts from credible sources to which you provide the links), I'll gladly correct my records.
Thanks.Looking up 15 year old articles will have to wait until tomorrow. I need to get to bed for tonight. But I'll see what I can find tomorrow.
WarIsrael’s “strength” in what?
Warmonger.Its unacceptable risk.
The point of no return has been crossed.
The United States needs to finish this. We must reach a confidence level to where we can reasonably conclude Iran does hot have a nuclear weapon or the capacity to make one any time soon.
What say you. Is it worth the risk to do nothing?
Iran certainly had a democracy in 1953 before the US destroyed it....no matter how inconvenient that is for your narrative.Had a democracy under the Ayatollahs? Maybe what passed for a Muslim religious "democracy" in the 14th century. Or was that our fault, too?
LolzWarmonger.
Lolz
Loyalty to Dear Leader above all else, right?I say we stay out of it. Israel is more than capable of defending themselves from Iran.
You understand the difference between defensive and offensive ops right?Loyalty to Dear Leader above all else, right?
From “stay out of it” a year ago…to cheering for the US to get involved…
You find war and warmongering.....funny?Lolz
Ukraine comes to mind....heck, Iran and Israel don't even share a border.You understand the difference between defensive and offensive ops right?
Its unacceptable risk.
The point of no return has been crossed.
The United States needs to finish this. We must reach a confidence level to where we can reasonably conclude Iran does hot have a nuclear weapon or the capacity to make one any time soon.
What say you. Is it worth the risk to do nothing?
You understand the difference between defensive and offensive ops right?
The United States needs to finish this
We can’t take the risk. Therefore, bomb and bomb again.
just the govt not the country which an ample case can be made for thatSo its acceptable risk for you then. How else were they planning to wipe Israel off the map?
Legal. Right.Pakistan's nuclear weapons are legal. Iran's and North Korea's are not.
Only if you could be queen for a day no?You want “bomb and bomb again” and the United States to “finish this”
Then you sign up and go “finish it” and “bomb and bomb again”
You can follow Cadet Bone Spurs and Bibi into this bullshit.
Link?just the govt not the country which an ample case can be made for that
That is incorrect. Enforcing the NPT is important.
Let me see if I've got this straight.Iran certainly had a democracy in 1953 before the US destroyed it....no matter how inconvenient that is for your narrative.
Its unacceptable risk.
The point of no return has been crossed.
The United States needs to finish this. We must reach a confidence level to where we can reasonably conclude Iran does hot have a nuclear weapon or the capacity to make one any time soon.
What say you. Is it worth the risk to do nothing?
All of a sudden, war isn't "bloodthirsty" anymore.
Amazing how Taco's followers will lie down for him, allow them to literally dictate their opinions...no matter what.
Pakistan's nuclear weapons are legal. Iran's and North Korea's are not.
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