Can anyone edit Wikipedia at any time? How do I know at anytime I look at a Wikipedia page it is has not been edited incorrectly?On the contrary. There is plenty of debate on entries (BOTH sides) and plenty of well-researched and footnoted entries.
Explain how Debunking 911 Conspiracy theories, 2012 conspiracy theories, Moon Landing conspiracy theories and JFK conspiracy theories makes the website a "conspiracy blog". You do understand the difference between using blogging software for a website and an actual blog?Unlike the Wack Jobs you foist on your Conspiracy Blog.
How is a forum with 186 registered members a "one man" forum? Yes a post in the forums is not a post on the website. I realize your computer illiteracy makes it impossible for you to understand the difference.Oh I see. You just "pin" them to the uh.. uh.. [one-man] 'Forum' and therefore they're not on your 'blog'.
I made a post compiling all the skeptics relating to the HIV/AIDS Controversy <--- Notice the title. The forum is not a blog, repeating this insanity just makes you look absolutely 100% computer illiterate.Popular Technology -> HIV/AIDs Controversy
So to be honest (You need a definition on that) YOU ARE Foisting this preposterous Bullcrap- just putting it on different sections of your .. ahem.. 'Blog'.
aka, one-man-forum.
So the credentialed scientists and medical doctors cited and the over 40 peer-reviewed papers on the subject don't exist?And I might add that garbage is despicable and a disservice to society. There is NO real scientific 'controversy' on AIDS
I insist on calling a forum - a forum because that is the correct term for what it is, it also makes you look like a computer illiterate as ANYONE who is computer literate knows the difference is night and day and one has NOTHING to do with the other. It is not just me and my opinion there are 186 members (more at one point but I deleted inactive accounts).You insist on calling your ONE-man shows 'forums'. It's JUST YOU and YOUR opinion.
No it can't because discussion forums like this one have NOTHING To do with blogs. Please, please keep embarrassing yourself.Which is so whacked, it will always, and Again, EFFECTIVELY be a blog.
ROFLMAO! Only a computer illiterate would believe that.These 'definitions' are in this case the classic distinction without a difference.
Those are MY forums, I can pin whatever I want. The administrator of any forum dictates whatever they want. Are you new to the Internet or something?Not to mention, ie, the Goebbelsian "Pinning" your own 20 string starters on top, effectively ECLIPSING and real discussion and dicktating the agenda. (whether or not there's even a single other poster around)
No it doesn't big boy and it is not 450 anymore, it is OVER 900. The eco-terrorist's website is full of lies, misinformation and strawman arguments.Poptart’s 450 climate change Denier lies « Greenfyre’s
His 'rebuttal' doesn't hold up, his "450" list was Eviscerated.
Go to the discussions tab. It's at least as instructive as the entry.Can anyone edit Wikipedia at any time? How do I know at anytime I look at a Wikipedia page it is has not been edited incorrectly?
When ALL the entries in some sections are by Andrew.. we get the picture.How is a forum with 186 registered members a "one man" forum? Yes a post in the forums is not a post on the website. I realize your computer illiteracy makes it impossible for you to understand the difference.
Again, you necessarily ignore the fact you are using your [cough] 'forum' to Foist outrageous bullcrap.I made a post compiling all the skeptics relating to the HIV/AIDS Controversy <--- Notice the title. The forum is not a blog, repeating this insanity just makes you look absolutely 100% computer illiterate.
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No it can't because discussion forums like this one have NOTHING To do with blogs. Please, please keep embarrassing yourself.
ROFLMAO! Only a computer illiterate would believe that.
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40 out of how many? 40,000?So the credentialed scientists and medical doctors cited and the over 40 peer-reviewed papers on the subject don't exist?
Exactly!Those are MY forums, I can pin whatever I want. The administrator of any forum dictates whatever they want. Are you new to the Internet or something?
Yeah.No it doesn't big boy and it is not 450 anymore, it is OVER 900. The eco-terrorist's website is full of lies, misinformation and strawman arguments.
http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/Poptart-gets-Burned-again-900-times/Just over a year ago I did two posts documenting at length that uber climate change Denier PopTech’s (aka PopTart) list of “skeptic” science was blithering nonsense of the worst kind:
Poptart’s 450 climate change Denier lies « Greenfyre’s
450 more lies from the climate change Deniers « Greenfyre’s
Those who have any experience with PopTech are well aware that he never lets inconsequential trivia like facts or reality influence his beliefs, so you won’t be surprised that he kept adding to his Septic List and finally managed to double it “900+ Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skepticism Of “Man-Made” Global Warming (AGW) Alarm ” (simple math for PopTech, 2 times 0 is still 0).
Now Carbon Brief has had a look at the expanded list and brings us:
Analysing the ‘900 papers supporting climate scepticism’: 9 out of top 10 authors linked to ExxonMobil
“Using our paper to support skepticism of anthropogenic global warming is misleading.” Part II of our analysis of the 900+ climate skeptic papers
Another earlier approach to PopTech’s list was that of SkepticalScience in “Meet The Denominator.” In this approach Honeycutt looked at the number of papers discussing climate change (850,000+) and compared it to PopTech’s (then) 850.
After some adjustment he concluded that even if PopTech’s sample was valid (which it clearly is Not) it represented a mere 0.45% of the literature on climate change.
This approach has to be understood with caution in that if there was even one solid paper that truly undermined climate change science (although that is well nigh impossible), it would still be more than enough. However, what this approach does demonstrate is that PopTech’s allegation that his list represents a significant body of the science is laughable.
In fact, given that PopTech is Trolling the literature for anything that fits his perception despite being:*not actually peer reviewed, and/orit is quite surprising that he has only found 900. Given those criteria 9,000 or 90,000 should easily be possible. (thanks to JM for the reminder)
*known to be false, and/or
*irrelevant, and/or
*out of date (no longer relevant), and/or
*not supportive of climate change Denial
Update: 28/4 See also “Anti-AGW papers debunked” for some of the papers on PopTart’s list.
Carbon Brief
The second Carbon Brief post documents in more detail the same sort of abuses as the earlier list, ie papers being irrelevant, known to be wrong, misrepresented etc. The first post shows how 90% of the authors of these papers are the same tiny cabal, all part of the Exxon stable of Denier scientists.
Carbon brief quite correctly notes that merely identifying the funding source for the Deniers is not evidence that they are wrong (that would be a circumstantial ad hominem), however:
It does put the lie to the claim that “skepticism” is widespread among scientists, (a few dozen out of many millions), and
given that the fraudulent nature of the list has already been documented (as before and as per 2nd post), it does perhaps explain why this tiny handful of people might be motivated to producing this nonsense.
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So what caused the glaciers in Alaska to start retreating in the 1740's? Any one? Any one? Could it be natural causes? I doubt it was the internal combustion engine.
You didn't answer any of my questions. I am well aware of how Wikipedia works now answer the questions.Go to the discussions tab. It's at least as instructive as the entry. Read and learn.
Yes I am the most prolific poster that does not make it a one man forum nor is it a strawman argument.When ALL the entries in some sections are by Andrew.. we get the picture. How many registrants is a goofy Strawman. Poor try.
Yes I use a discussion forum to compile various things and yes it is my forum. I thought we established this already?Again, you necessarily ignore the fact you are using your [cough] 'forum' to Foist outrageous bullcrap. Forum/Blog.. take your pick it's ALL Your ideas and YOUR website..
You haven't demonstrated anything except your computer illiteracy by referring to a forum as a blog. The forum is not being used as a blog because it cannot be. Invision Power Board is "community forum software". Pinning topics is a forum feature. The definitions are exact and I am not even using the blogging software as a blog.and For the second/third time, despite me showing your are EFFECTIVELY using the forum as Blog (which you UNwittingly admit with pinning etc), you dishonestly/obtusely try and use technical definitions to try and separate what you are EFFECTIVELY doing with meaningless/nonresponsive technical definitions.
But it seems like you finally are getting what I'm saying and backing off despite the moronic repetition of 'computer illiterate'.
There is no 850,000 climate papers - that is a number that someone who is google scholar illiterate fabricated.40 out of how many? 40,000? Your usual Fallacious and disingenuous trick.
(like 850 of 850,000 climate papers)
I didn't concede anything. I stated a fact. I run my forums like my forums which has nothing to do with a blog. Repeating the same computer illiterate nonsense is only digging your hole deeper. Discussion forums have nothing to do with blogs. Pinning topics is a forum feature. Member are free to start their own topics, which they do, that is how forums work.Exactly! Thanks for Conceding MY point. You Run the forums like a Blog. YOUR opinion, Your pinning. some sections 100% YOU. Giant BLUNDER on your part.. and after wasting all those other posts/words denying it.
MrSmall, the eco-terrorist did no such thing,Yeah. "900" Thanks for giving me the reason to post it:
Poptart gets burned again, 900 times « Greenfyre’s
In the face of OVERWHELMING evidence of people who know what they're talking about.Courtesy of Rick Piltz, I learn of a new paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences that powerfully demonstrates just how convinced scientists are that global warming is real and human caused. Indeed, this paper, entitled “Expert Credibility in Climate Change,” looks at the relationship between scientific prominence, amount of work published in the field, and acceptance of the scientific consensus. Findings:(i) 97–98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field support the tenets of ACC outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, andThose of us who follow this issue closely won’t be surprised–but the results mean that journalists who have given a lot of weight to climate “skeptics” have some ‘splaining to do. Essentially, this paper seems to be suggesting that they got the wrong “experts.”
(ii) the relative climate expertise and scientific prominence of the researchers unconvinced of ACC are substantially below that of the convinced researchers.
Incidentally, given how closely this study hits home, I would expect it to be attacked–just as Naomi Oreskes’ famous paper “The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change” was.
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Man has only been recording, with scientific instruments for what? 150 or so years.
Greenland was once actually Green, arable land that was settled by the Vikings, those areas are now under glaciers and permafrost.
There was a Midevil Warm Period.
There was a little ice age that followed the MWP.
CO2 Concentrations have been, as to the best of our science to determine, far higher (like over 1000ppm) in the past.
Man's contribution towards the rising detected levels of CO2 are less then WHAT percent of of the total atmospheric gas make up?
So what caused the glaciers in Alaska to start retreating in the 1740's? Any one? Any one? Could it be natural causes? I doubt it was the internal combustion engine.
Incorrect, I have refuted every lie, misinformation and strawman argument put out. It is not a "disagreement" that Energy & Environment is indexed in the the ISI, it is an irrefutable fact,You have 'disagreed' with alot. But haven't "refuted" ANYTHING.
No "destruction" but yes I have been banned from various alarmist sites and those who prefer censorship over free speech (people like you). As seen here your lies, misinformation and strawman arguments have all been thoroughly dispatched since I am allowed to post. I haven't "spammed" anything - another word you don't know the definition of.The net littered with your Destruction and Bannings from websites, necessitated your obsessive denial and what can only be described as Spam.
No panic and no overwhelming evidence of anything just complete and total refutation,and of course, in PANIC/first responder here:
The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change: Stronger and Stronger
In the face of OVERWHELMING evidence of people who know what they're talking about.
You just used the argument that a hot day is evidence of global warming,Are you like one of those people that says "Global warming is fake, look there was a cold day in New York.'??
I'll go with everyone else.. What logic are you using?? So some glaciers retreated in 1740's?? That has what to do with global warming??
A number of published papers and openly available data on sea level changes, glacier retreat, freezing/break-up dates of rivers, sea ice retreat, tree-ring observations, ice cores and changes of the cosmic-ray intensity, from the year 1000 to the present, are studied to examine how the Earth has recovered from the Little Ice Age (LIA). We learn that the recovery from the LIA has proceeded continuously, roughly in a linear manner, from 1800-1850 to the present. The rate of the recovery in terms of temperature is about 0.5°C/100 years and thus it has important implications for understanding the present global warming. It is suggested on the basis of a much longer period covering that the Earth is still in the process of recovery from the LIA; there is no sign to indicate the end of the recovery before 1900. Cosmic-ray intensity data show that solar activity was related to both the LIA and its recovery. The multi-decadal oscillation of a period of 50 to 60 years was superposed on the linear change; it peaked in 1940 and 2000, causing the halting of warming temporarily after 2000. These changes are natural changes, and in order to determine the contribution of the manmade greenhouse effect, there is an urgent need to identify them correctly and accurately and remove them
You just used the argument that a hot day is evidence of global warming,
"Kent WA. broke a record last summer.. We got up to 103 degerees.. For the first time ever.. Kent Washington is about 20 miles south of Seattle."
His point is that the warming was not caused by hydrocarbon use,
Thus the recent mild warming is likely a recovery from the little ice age,
On the recovery from the Little Ice Age
(Natural Science, Volume 2, Number 7, pp. 1211-1224, November 2010)
- Syun-Ichi Akasofu
We just had a whole string based on that same FALLACY. LCD. Lowest common denominator being the barrier to believe or not believe something is true or not.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/scien...ientific-proof-not-just-educated-guesses.html
This is a Wack Job Blog run by 4 ostensible computer engineers (NOT climatolgists or scientologists)
who just go by their first names!
Andrew, the editor
Doug
Karl
Mike
Here's some more of Andrew's anti-establishment, Conspiratorial ideas.
Popular Technology -> The Sciences
Including the absurd... HIV doesn't cause AIDS.. among with countless other floaters.
Tho called populartechnology.net it's a Conspiracy website more in line with 'whatreallyhappened' etc.
A Clearing house for Nut bag ideas.
PopulISTtechnology would be closer, but still impart a technical expertise these Clowns don't have.
You just used the argument that a hot day is evidence of global warming,
"Kent WA. broke a record last summer.. We got up to 103 degerees.. For the first time ever.. Kent Washington is about 20 miles south of Seattle."
How bout the last big snow storm that happened this year.. This mammoth storm that covered over half of the entire U.S. The flooding of the Mississippi River.. The record out break of tornados.. And not just little ones.. Big tornados.. Record hurricane seasons that we have had in the last decade.. Kent WA. broke a record last summer.. We got up to 103 degerees.. For the first time ever.. Kent Washington is about 20 miles south of Seattle.. My state broke records almost the entire summer last year.. Southern California, parts of Arizona, and other places have faced drought conditions for a least a decade..
Dr. Akasofu: Not locally, of course. The weather is the source of CO2, and CO2 spreads very quickly. So, in about two months, it spreads all around the Earth.
The guy that runs the IPCC, he is not a Climate Scientist, yet you think he's right for the job.
Deuce has ZERO meteorological training or experience, yet I with my years of real world experience you ignore. Amazing how you only care about peoples credentials when it's convenient.
Lung cancer existed before cigarettes. Would you say that proves cigarettes don't cause lung cancer?
Example of your logic failure ~ Because nature starts brush fires sometimes, man could not possibly be responsible for starting brush fires.
I'll go with everyone else.. What logic are you using?? So some glaciers retreated in 1740's?? That has what to do with global warming?? Are you like one of those people that says "Global warming is fake, look there was a cold day in New York.'??
So to use your own logic.. There was some really hot days in Las Vegas... I guess that makes global warming real eh??
Way to go KSU.. Way to go..
MY article cited PNAS/Proceeedings of the National Academy of Sciences.The guy that runs the IPCC, he is not a Climate Scientist, yet you think he's right for the job.
Deuce has ZERO meteorological training or experience, yet I with my years of real world experience you ignore. Amazing how you only care about peoples credentials when it's convenient.
So you accept the U.S. Military as credentialed climate scientists? Who knew?I guess those suckers in the US military are just a bunch of whining, misinformed liberal hippies, too.
A paper that only a computer illiterate would cite,MY article cited PNAS/Proceeedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
Concluding 97%-98% of climate scientists agree with the IPCC on Global Warming.
This is incorrect,Solar forcing increased from the LIA until about the middle of last century. During the last half of the 1900's, however, solar output has not increased but it is during this period that the most rapid warming was seen.
This is incorrect,
Cosmic Rays have very good correlation as well,
between 1970 and 1985 the cosmic ray flux, although still behaving similarly to the temperature, in fact lags it and cannot be the cause of its rise. Thus changes in the cosmic ray flux cannot be responsible for more than 15% of the temperature increase
However, the cloud cover is delayed by more than half a year relative to the cosmic rays. According to current theory (e.g. Yu and Turco, 2000) the build-up of cloud condensation nuclei is completed within less than a day after an increase of GCRI. Since the lifetime of these cloud condensation nuclei only amounts to a few days a possible formation of clouds must take place within this span of time and not several months later. Therefore, the cloud response to a change in GCRI should be practically instantaneous when viewed on the time scale of Fig. 2. (3) Another difficulty is the physical interpretation of low cloud cover data based exclusively on infrared measurements from satellites: most low clouds which are positioned below higher clouds cannot be detected from satellites, and since the range of variation of the different cloud types only amounts to a few percent of the respective cloud cover, an inaccuracy of a few percent could entirely spoil the apparent agreement shown in Fig. 2a.
You guys are way to predictable. Do you really think that I base my opinion off of one micro-sentence? Take a look at the science behind global climate change.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/envir...6108-truth-global-warming.html#post1059110559
The reality is that CO2 is one of the least efficient gases when it comes to keeping radiation in the atmosphere. As was stated earlier, methane is the gas we need to be worried about and it is not emitted in substantial quantities by any vehicle.
So, to answer your questions, I come down on the side of reason. If the climate is supposed to be changing and it is changing and it is no different than the past then it becomes the responsibility of the climate change chicken littles to prove their delusional conspiracy.
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