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The Trump Bible is Blasphemy

NolanVoyd said:


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This pastor then is clearly a heretic for speaking out against the new Messiah. If he has ordered the US Constitution to become to become part of the Biblical canon, who is this pastor to object? The pastor needs to be burned alive at the stake.

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"The gospel is not an American gospel"

"You do not have a spiritual obligation to vote"

"Saying politics is spiritual is blasphemy"

Would be curious to know the political demographics of his congregation - this is pure heresy for a MAGA.
 
Lycanthrope said:
"The gospel is not an American gospel"

"You do not have a spiritual obligation to vote"

"Saying politics is spiritual is blasphemy"

Would be curious to know the political demographics of his congregation - this is pure heresy for a MAGA.
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My understanding is that he is very conservative on many issues.

I will see if I can find more about him.
 
NolanVoyd said:
My understanding is that he is very conservative on many issues.

I will see if I can find more about him.
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I'd be curious to know. My sense of it from that video is that his statements were greeted with a lukewarm reception. You simply don't tell American evangelicals that their nation doesn't have pride of place at God's table and expect a positive response. Kudos for him doing it, however - they need to hear it, particularly in their own houses of worship from individuals they can't easily dismiss as "godless librulz."
 
Lycanthrope said:
"The gospel is not an American gospel"

"You do not have a spiritual obligation to vote"

"Saying politics is spiritual is blasphemy"

Would be curious to know the political demographics of his congregation - this is pure heresy for a MAGA.
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His name is Loran Livingston. He is pastor in Noth Carolina.

Pastor | Central Church

www.centralnc.org www.centralnc.org
 
NolanVoyd said:


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He makes a few good points. I don’t feel there’s anything spiritual about voting. However, there is an obligation Christians have to pray for political leaders so we live peaceable lives in the world.

1 Timothy 2
1I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
 
NolanVoyd said:
His name is Loran Livingston. He is pastor in Noth Carolina.

Pastor | Central Church

www.centralnc.org www.centralnc.org
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He's doing the right thing emphasizing the "Just visiting this planet" mindset and calling into question the blending of Christianity with nationalism. He referred to it as blasphemy, I'd call it unholy and counter-productive to the faith's central message.
 

The Trump Bible is Blasphemy​


Clearly, it very much is. But so much of what masquerades as, and passes for christianity, is already blasphemous. Just look at a Venn diagram of self identified "christians" and "gun advocates" in this country. You'd probably get 80% overlapping circles in most states.
 
Slartibartfast said:
Yeah, you're not supposed to add or remove from the Bible. Adding stuff like the pledge of allegiance and the constitution isn't a good thing.
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Yeah, how can you possibly add secular stuff to a book written and edited by men?
 
mrjurrs said:
Yeah, how can you possibly add secular stuff to a book written and edited by men?
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Within the context of the faith itself, there's a line in Revelations about it being naughty to add or take away from the Scriptures. So yeah, it's written and edited by men but for a believer who attests that it's divinely inspired it's problematic (or should be) to package it with the government documents of any given nation.
 
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Lycanthrope said:
Within the context of the faith itself, there's a line in Revelations about it being naughty to add or take away from the Scriptures. So yeah, it's written and edited by men but for a believer who attests that it's divinely inspired it's problematic (or should be) to package it with the government documents of any given nation.
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You can believe it was divinely inspired, but after the rewrites and edits...even that seems like a stretch.
 
mrjurrs said:
You can believe it was divinely inspired, but after the rewrites and edits...even that seems like a stretch.
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There's a talking donkey, resurrections, a man swallowed by a whale and surviving three days in its belly, seas parting, mysterious giants who bred with human women, rivers turning to blood, talking bushes on fire, child sacrifice, incest, demons, visions, etc.

I think human edits are the least strain on a believer's devotion. ;)
 
mrjurrs said:
You can believe it was divinely inspired, but after the rewrites and edits...even that seems like a stretch.
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The rewrites, the edits, the multiple translations, both from the originals languages, and even within English, the selection of in-books and out-books in it's compilation ... it just gets compounded on and on, and continues to this day.

All in all, it cannot be viewed with any intellectual honesty as anything but "the word of man".
 
MamboDervish said:
The rewrites, the edits, the multiple translations, both from the originals languages, and even within English, the selection of in-books and out-books in it's compilation ... it just gets compounded on and on, and continues to this day.

All in all, it cannot be viewed with any intellectual honesty as anything but "the word of man".
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Biblical error compounding is a myth. Scholars use textual criticism to reconstruct originals (within a very, very small margin of error). Those "originals" (which date back as early as the 2nd century are then used to create new translations.

The same concept used for all ancient docs.
 
Mulefoot said:
Biblical error compounding is a myth.
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No it isn't.
Mulefoot said:
Scholars use textual criticism to reconstruct originals (within a very, very small margin of error). Those "originals" (which date back as early as the 2nd century are then used to create new translations.
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The "scholars" you refer to are believers. There are other scholars who are non-believers, and some for precisely the reasons I stated.
Mulefoot said:
The same concept used for all ancient docs.
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Well, that all sounds real pretty, but it completely flies in the face of hundreds of different denominations, thousands of different interpretations, countless books claiming to explain the bible, and "christians" killing "christians" in the name of christ. So .... there's that.
 
Overitall said:
He makes a few good points. I don’t feel there’s anything spiritual about voting. However, there is an obligation Christians have to pray for political leaders so we live peaceable lives in the world.

1 Timothy 2
1I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
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I snagged this from another thread, @joluoto posted it.



If you believe in a God, he'll most likely do whatever you would do. They're pretty much your personality, and beliefs, not the other way around. You don't live like Jesus, he lives like you. Very interesting, and makes a lot of sense. So, Trumps God would love to have the constitution in his bible. He would love to mix up politics and religion, like Catholics used to rule in England.

This pastor would think it's a no, and so does his God.
 
Mulefoot said:
Biblical error compounding is a myth. Scholars use textual criticism to reconstruct originals (within a very, very small margin of error). Those "originals" (which date back as early as the 2nd century are then used to create new translations.

The same concept used for all ancient docs.
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Biblical scholar: "As it turns out, the historical reliability of the Gospels is far from the ideal. To be honest, there are some positive sides! We do have four different accounts of Jesus’ life that were based on earlier sources. However, other facts show why the New Testament is not reliable."
www.bartehrman.com

The Reliability of the Gospels: Are the Gospels Historically Accurate?

Delve into the historical reliability of the Gospels and the intriguing differences in the Gospel narratives. Explore the complexities of Jesus' story in this scholarly analysis.
www.bartehrman.com www.bartehrman.com
 
Ginger Ale said:
I snagged this from another thread, @joluoto posted it.



If you believe in a God, he'll most likely do whatever you would do.
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Not likely. The mold is found in the scriptures for the present generation to follow in Jesus example of service.
Ginger Ale said:
They're pretty much your personality, and beliefs, not the other way around. You don't live like Jesus, he lives like you.
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Nah.
Ginger Ale said:
Very interesting, and makes a lot of sense.
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To you.
Ginger Ale said:
So, Trumps God would love to have the constitution in his bible. He would love to mix up politics and religion, like Catholics used to rule in England.

This pastor would think it's a no, and so does his God.
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The pastor is definitely preaching his version of the Bible, but he could be correct. God’s Kingdom isn’t swayed by men’s politics.
 
NolanVoyd said:


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Why did he say it's a blasphemy? I have not seen the bible.

King James Bible is named after King James - and yet, I don't see any pastor calling it a blasphemy!
 
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tosca1 said:
Why did he say it's a blasphemy? I have not seen the bible.

King James Bible is named after King James - and yet, I don't see any pastor calling it a blasphemy!
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It may be that the pastor is calling it blasphemy to add (or subtract) from the Bible. I only listened to the clip once, tbh, so I may be mistaken.
 
Overitall said:
It may be that the pastor is calling it blasphemy to add (or subtract) from the Bible. I only listened to the clip once, tbh, so I may be mistaken.
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I listened to the first few seconds - but I have a problem with politics not being spiritual.
Imho, it can be.
So I stopped watching.


How are we supposed to help the downtrodden and persecuted, if we don't get involved in our politics?
Are we supposed to be the people who ignored the beaten man along the side of the road - and not get involved - or, are we supposed to be like the good Samaritan?

There is more to just praying.
We don't tell a starving man - "I'll pray for you...." and then, do nothing else!

I think - some nations who were given democracies, are expected to do something using their free will.
Perhaps it is a test to a nation, to a people - how they will handle their democracy.
 
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