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I'm wondering how many realize this is not a debate about truth pretty much.

It's a debate about owning the definitions.

The two statements

1. A trans woman is not a woman.

2. A Trans woman is a woman.

Are both true for the speaker because truth depends on definitions and they're using different definitions.

Ultimately it boil down to a debate about the importance of biological sex in everyday language.

Obviously the extreme left wants to obfuscate biological sex and diminish its importance. You shouldn't care about biological sex when considering a mate to the extreme left for example.

And redefining traditional terms to obfuscate that serves that purpose.

Others like myself wanting easy way to distinguish biological sex and know what's what.
I don't want to have to do any extra investigating or digging to know someone's biological sex inquiring minds want to know.

On the other hand I don't have a problem with someone hiding it. I just don't want it to be easy in the norm.
 
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Simpletruther said:
I'm wondering how many realize this is not a debate about truth pretty much.

It's a debate about owning the definitions.

The two statements a

1. trans woman is not a woman.

2. Trans woman is a woman.

Are both true for the speaker because truth depends on definitions and they're using different definitions.

Ultimately it boil down to a debate about the importance of biological sex in everyday language.

Obviously the extreme left wants to obfuscate biological sex and diminish its importance. You shouldn't care about biological sex when considering a mate to the extreme left for example.

And redefining traditional terms to obfuscate that serves that purpose.

Others like myself wanting easy way to distinguish biological sex and know what's what.
I don't want to have to do any extra investigating or digging to know someone's biological sex inquiring minds want to know.
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The problems come when the trans zealots demand that, from both a legal and public policy standpoint, trans women, specifically, be considered as women in places where there has historically been gender segregation, i.e. bathrooms, locker rooms, and competitive athletics. This is where their ideology starts to harm others and why it's reasonable to push back.

I really don't care whether I can identify that someone is trans or not. I do care about the women in my life and that their rights and their personal safety be taken into account, and neither should be put at risk just to indulge someone else's gender fantasy.
 
Simpletruther said:
Others like myself wanting easy way to distinguish biological sex and know what's what.
I don't want to have to do any extra investigating or digging to know someone's biological sex inquiring minds want to know.

On the other hand I don't have a problem with someone hiding it. I just don't want it to be easy in the norm.
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Most people don't know their biological sex, much less that of someone else. Unless you've had a karyotype done, you're simply assuming your sex matches what you were assigned. What you view as an "easy way to distinguish biological sex" is nothing more than gender euphoria, that is, your sexual identity matches what you expect it should be. That's just as much an ideological position as gender dysphoria.
 
Whenever you hear someone discussing sex or gender as being "assigned at birth" you know you're talking to someone who has more than one serving of trans Kool-Aid. Seriously, was your eye color assigned at birth? Were your limbs? How about your lungs?

The only thing missing from trans-speak is a laugh track.
 
Simpletruther said:
Others like myself wanting easy way to distinguish biological sex and know what's what.
I don't want to have to do any extra investigating or digging to know someone's biological sex inquiring minds want to know
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So…what it boils down to is that you are afraid you may find someone attractive and then find out that they are not biologically what you thought they were?

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Sounds like a personal issue.


One that could be resolved by talking to the person and asking them? Getting to know a person?


Crazy concept, right 🙄
 
NatMorton said:
Whenever you hear someone discussing sex or gender as being "assigned at birth" you know you're talking to someone who has more than one serving of trans Kool-Aid. Seriously, was your eye color assigned at birth? Were your limbs? How about your lungs?

The only thing missing from trans-speak is a laugh track.
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Cool. Gender is ultimately determined by a doctor looking at your genitals when you're born. Well, that solves that debate. Thanks Mat
 
BirdinHand said:
The most prevalent park rapists are cis men.

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You missed the point. Spud' is attempting to say we should not care about fairness or women's health issues in the trans debate because most women are harmed by men in their personal lives. That is a ridiculous reason to ignore the problems created by treating trans women as women.
 
NatMorton said:
Whenever you hear someone discussing sex or gender as being "assigned at birth" you know you're talking to someone who has more than one serving of trans Kool-Aid. Seriously, was your eye color assigned at birth? Were your limbs? How about your lungs?

The only thing missing from trans-speak is a laugh track.
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Best cancel all further gender reveal parties so many young people enjoy having.

The science forms the conclusion of what's to come at these events.
 
NatMorton said:
The problems come when the trans zealots demand that, from both a legal and public policy standpoint, trans women, specifically, be considered as women in places where there has historically been gender segregation, i.e. bathrooms, locker rooms, and competitive athletics. This is where their ideology starts to harm others and why it's reasonable to push back.

I really don't care whether I can identify that someone is trans or not. I do care about the women in my life and that their rights and their personal safety be taken into account, and neither should be put at risk just to indulge someone else's gender fantasy.
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Winner.webp


Might as well close the thread.
Discussion beyond this post is futile.
 
NatMorton said:
You missed the point. Spud' is attempting to say we should not care about fairness or women's health issues in the trans debate because most women are harmed by men in their personal lives. That is a ridiculous reason to ignore the problems created by treating trans women as women.
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Weird…I didn’t see @spud_meister say that.

I see that as what you are inferring from the words they typed.
 
NatMorton said:
I really don't care whether I can identify that someone is trans or not. I do care about the women in my life and that their rights and their personal safety be taken into account, and neither should be put at risk just to indulge someone else's gender fantasy.
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Which seems to raise rather obvious questions. Are there any examples of women being endangered by transexuals, or are the so-called risks merely unsubstantiated fears about nothing? Have you evidence of any widespread danger to women in locker rooms by the trans community?
 
VySky said:
Best cancel all further gender reveal parties so many young people enjoy having.

The science forms the conclusion of what's to come at these events.
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Well if we are going to jump to ridiculous extents because reality doesn’t match tradition…then we should cancel Christmas using the same logic considering there is no basis for celebrating Jesus’s birth on December 25th.

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BirdinHand said:
So…what it boils down to is that you are afraid you may find someone attractive and then find out that they are not biologically what you thought they were?

🤷‍♀️

Sounds like a personal issue.


One that could be resolved by talking to the person and asking them? Getting to know a person?


Crazy concept, right 🙄
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Right?
If the government forces people to adhere to their identified sex at birth, it helps folks like the OP from feeling attracted to a trans person.
 
spud_meister said:
No. Women are safer in the park by themselves (or in a bathroom with a transwoman) than home with a man. Is segregation the answer?
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Don't worry - Trump and the federal government will fix all of this.
Rape will magically go away once trans people are "put in their place".
 
BirdinHand said:
Well if we are going to jump to ridiculous extents because reality doesn’t match tradition…then we should cancel Christmas using the same logic considering there is no basis for celebrating Jesus’s birth on December 25th.

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No, that is illogical.
 
Simpletruther said:
I'm wondering how many realize this is not a debate about truth pretty much.
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It isn't really a single debate but the debates certainly are (or should be) about truth. The only reason to move away from that is if the truth doesn't support your pre-determined position.

A trans woman is a woman and a trans woman is trans (the clue is in the name). A trans woman is also an individual human being. (There are also trans men, who are often ignored, despite the anti-trans proponents considering them female)

Different situations and issues inevitably need to take account of all of those aspects for all individuals involved (directly or hypothetically). The best (or least worst) conclusion in any given situation will be unique to that situation, even compared to nominally similar ones.
 
God created what you are.

Not what you want or wish to be.

So there's that.
 
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