The Ten Commandments and the Laws of the United States.

[BrotherFease]

So do that. You don't need to discriminate against one ethnicity to allow the other to tie the score. It's no different from any competition such as in a football game where because the other teamed practiced and studied are beating another one 36-0 and the refs come in and blow the whistle and make the score 36-36. No difference at all.

I highly doubt you have taken a DEI course before. Nothing you wrote about addresses the points being made. All what I am saying here is, if you want to teach morality to teacher, create something relevant and inspiring for their lives. TTC has no nutritional value to children.

 

[Paradoxical]

I highly doubt you have taken a DEI course before. Nothing you wrote about addresses the points being made. All what I am saying here is, if you want to teach morality to teacher, create something relevant and inspiring for their lives. TTC has no nutritional value to children.

I know what angry blacks are teaching what DEI is and I also know that the left uses word games and reinterpretations of common language, following what Christain apologists do to explain away verses that clearly condone slavery and subjugation of women and hatred of gays. They are there but the priests unabashedly and annoyingly claim that they (we) have reached a deeper understanding of scripture.

We do no not need diversity anywhere and the best human should be hired regardless of skin color or sex. Equity is the football game I described and the insane thing of allowing males to compete with females or allowing a midget on a basketball team or someone with an 80 IQ become a doctor. Inclusion is forcing people to include someone they don't like to come to a party or a known criminal to teach a class of 8 year olds.

 

[jaypatriot]

It's not fear, it's anger.

Anger at Christofascist authoritarian ****wits who violate the Constitution in "God's" name.

Not being a psychoanalyst, I think anger comes from fear.
From something you can't control.
The idea of becoming angry because someone wants to display the Ten Commandments is really foreign to me. But Muslims experience uncontrollable anger if they see a cartoon of Mohammed or someone desecrating the Koran.
If I saw the five beliefs or tenets of Islam in a classroom, I would not be upset as long as teachers were not trying to preach to students such practices.

I suspect bad things will happen in Louisiana when more schools display TTC in every classroom.


Anger is a secondary emotion
Typically, we experience a primary emotion like fear, loss, or sadness first. Because these emotions create feelings of vulnerability and loss of control, they make us uncomfortable. One way of attempting to deal with these feelings is by subconsciously shifting into anger.

Deciphering Anger: What It's Trying to Tell You -​

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

Anger is a secondary emotion
Typically, we experience a primary emotion like fear, loss, or sadness first. Because these emotions create feelings of vulnerability and loss of control, they make us uncomfortable. One way of attempting to deal with these feelings is by subconsciously shifting into anger.

This is a good description, actually. We are angry because we are sad about the state of this country, and this world.

 

[jaypatriot]

This is a good description, actually. We are angry because we are sad about the state of this country, and this world.

I am anxious about threats to America from seven different countries that are publicly against.
Not angry; not sad; not fearful; just nervous because anything can happen.
Like in 1914 when the world believed no one would be crazy enough to start a world war.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

I am anxious about threats to America from seven different countries that are publicly against.

I am anxious about threats to America posed *from within* - by the people you defend and empathize with.

 

[Risky Thicket]

Not being a psychoanalyst, I think anger comes from fear.
From something you can't control.
The idea of becoming angry because someone wants to display the Ten Commandments is really foreign to me. But Muslims experience uncontrollable anger if they see a cartoon of Mohammed or someone desecrating the Koran.
If I saw the five beliefs or tenets of Islam in a classroom, I would not be upset as long as teachers were not trying to preach to students such practices.

I suspect bad things will happen in Louisiana when more schools display TTC in every classroom.


Anger is a secondary emotion
Typically, we experience a primary emotion like fear, loss, or sadness first. Because these emotions create feelings of vulnerability and loss of control, they make us uncomfortable. One way of attempting to deal with these feelings is by subconsciously shifting into anger.

Deciphering Anger: What It's Trying to Tell You -​

You may not be a psychoanalyst but you may benefit from seeing one. You seem to have this thing about people who don't agree with you being afraid.
It happens with some kids growing up that they aren't taught and do not properly identify or understand their emotions. They can become adults who are unable to control their emotions.

You also cannot seem to understand that it is not the 10 Commandments but rather interpretation of the law by an activist and corrupt Supreme Court working in tandem with Christian nationalists that will usher in an American theocracy and the ultimate loss in democracy.

As with the Doctor I too am deeply concerned but I am not angry.

 

[jaypatriot]

You may not be a psychoanalyst but you may benefit from seeing one. You seem to have this thing about people who don't agree with you being afraid.
It happens with some kids growing up that they aren't taught and do not properly identify or understand their emotions. They can become adults who are unable to control their emotions.

You also cannot seem to understand that it is not the 10 Commandments but rather interpretation of the law by an activist and corrupt Supreme Court working in tandem with Christian nationalists that will usher in an American theocracy and the ultimate loss in democracy.

As with the Doctor I too am deeply concerned but I am not angry.

Another poster who is fearful of an unrealistic and unlikely outcome.
The idea that posting the Ten Commandments in a school is going to "usher in an American theocracy and the ultimate loss in democracy.".
How apocalyptic.
I would rather bet on the Washington Commanders to win the Super Bowl than see the country turn into an American theocracy because a single state decided to post the Ten Commandments in classrooms.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Putting up plaques showing the Ten Commandments is not teaching religion in a public school.

It is "establishing" a religion over others, or none.

unless you verses from the Koran, and the Bagvad Gita, and others and give equal space to atheists etc

I was never harmed because we said the pledge of allegiance in a Catholic school. The pledge reminded me of what it is to be an American. I was never harmed by learning the tenets of Catholicism.
I benefited from the discipline instilled in me by the nuns, priests, and Christian brothers who taught me.
I believe the kids in public schools today can benefit from such discipline.

 

[jaypatriot]

I am anxious about threats to America posed *from within* - by the people you defend and empathize with.

And so it has been in this country for the past 230 years.

 

[Risky Thicket]

Another poster who is fearful of an unrealistic and unlikely outcome.
The idea that posting the Ten Commandments in a school is going to "usher in an American theocracy and the ultimate loss in democracy.".
How apocalyptic.
I would rather bet on the Washington Commanders to win the Super Bowl than see the country turn into an American theocracy because a single state decided to post the Ten Commandments in classrooms.

Do you know what Project 2025 is? What do you feel about it?

 

[NewfieMom]

@TheDoctorWasIn said:
I am anxious about threats to America posed *from within* - by the people you defend and empathize with.

@jaypatriot replied:
And so it has been in this country for the past 230 years.

Well, I don't believe that TheDoctorWasIn has been around personally for the past 230 years to be anxious about threats posed to our country, its bedrock principles, and its Constitution. I do agree that since the inception of this country, actually since before its inception, as people were discussing what kind of system they would like to have here as they hammered out The Declaration of Independence, that prescient people were anxious about the threats to freedom posed from within. That is why they attempted to craft a Constitution that had three branches of government, each being able to check the power of the others.

Why else would the sentiment about retaining our system of government attributed to Benjamin Franklin resonate down the centuries?

"If there is a lesson in all of this it is that our Constitution is neither a self-actuating nor a self-correcting document. It requires the constant attention and devotion of all citizens. There is a story, often told, that upon exiting the Constitutional Convention Benjamin Franklin was approached by a group of citizens asking what sort of government the delegates had created. His answer was: 'A republic, if you can keep it.' The brevity of that response should not cause us to under-value its essential meaning: democratic republics are not merely founded upon the consent of the people, they are also absolutely dependent upon the active and informed involvement of the people for their continued good health."

Primary and Secondary Sources - Perspectives on the Constitution: A Republic, If You Can Keep It | Constitution Center

Constitution 101 resource for Perspectives on the Constitution: A Republic, If You Can Keep It

constitutioncenter.org

 

[jaypatriot]

@TheDoctorWasIn said:
I am anxious about threats to America posed *from within* - by the people you defend and empathize with.

@jaypatriot replied:
And so it has been in this country for the past 230 years.

Well, I don't believe that TheDoctorWasIn has been around personally for the past 230 years to be anxious about threats posed to our country, its bedrock principles, and its Constitution. I do agree that since the inception of this country, actually since before its inception, as people were discussing what kind of system they would like to have here as they hammered out The Declaration of Independence, that prescient people were anxious about the threats to freedom posed from within. That is why they attempted to craft a Constitution that had three branches of government, each being able to check the power of the others.

Why else would the sentiment about retaining our system of government attributed to Benjamin Franklin resonate down the centuries?

"If there is a lesson in all of this it is that our Constitution is neither a self-actuating nor a self-correcting document. It requires the constant attention and devotion of all citizens. There is a story, often told, that upon exiting the Constitutional Convention Benjamin Franklin was approached by a group of citizens asking what sort of government the delegates had created. His answer was: 'A republic, if you can keep it.' The brevity of that response should not cause us to under-value its essential meaning: democratic republics are not merely founded upon the consent of the people, they are also absolutely dependent upon the active and informed involvement of the people for their continued good health."

Primary and Secondary Sources - Perspectives on the Constitution: A Republic, If You Can Keep It | Constitution Center

Constitution 101 resource for Perspectives on the Constitution: A Republic, If You Can Keep It

constitutioncenter.org

Good quote from your cited source.
We need to be aware laws can be created and laws can be changed eg. the power to terminate the life of growing human is now left to the states.
And that is why I am not fearful of another Trump presidency. The country is too strong to allow one populist leader to destroy democracy.

 

[jaypatriot]

Do you know what Project 2025 is? What do you feel about it?

Thanks for reminding me of this upcoming challenge.

I feel it may go too far in revamping government.
I do believe there is a lot of dead weight in the federal government.
I could see the Dept of Education and Dept of Energy be dismantled and the country would not suffer, but a lot of dead wood would be removed.
The purpose of the Democrats is the grow government and manage people from 'womb to tomb'.
The purpose of the Republican Party is to lessen government control over the people. That means remove needless jobs and streamline processes to get things done.

Project 2025's "Mandate for Leadership: The Conservative Promise"

www.documentcloud.org

 

[Risky Thicket]

To everyone interested in the OP of this thread and the continuing threat of religious encroachment into government there are sights worthy of your attention. One such site is Americansunited.org who fight the good fight with relevant information. The site is free and of course if you want to donate to the cause you can certainly do that.

In Arizona there is Secular AZ. They are an active group with an excellent web site. They have made their presence known in Arizona as they challenge organized efforts to involve religion in government.

There are similar organizations in your state as more and more Americans organize to fight Christian nationalism.


Here is a recent article in NY Magazine that shines the light on how Christian nationalism is targeting and attacking American democracy.

Turning Point USA, the infamous MAGA group that plays a key role in mobilizing Trump voters to put him back in the White House, also franchises private religious schools using voucher funds and teaches its own peculiar brand of Christian nationalism. As Rolling Stone reported last year, TPUSA has taken a major turn toward right-wing religion:

In recent months, TPUSA has adopted a cause that’s very different from foisting Milton Friedman on frat boys. The group is putting its cash, and its political cachet, behind Christian nationalism, promising to “restore America’s biblical values.” Indeed, TPUSA has embraced a new crusade to “empower Christians to change the trajectory of our nation.”

TPUSA’s faith initiative is currently backing the reactionary preacher Sean Feucht in his Kingdom to the Capitol tour, where he’s staging “revivals” at the nation’s 50 statehouses. The MAGA preacher is explicit about the aim — declaring that he wants “believers to be the ones writing the laws!” and pleading “guilty as charged!” to Christian nationalism. “It’s all part of the King coming back,” Feucht told followers in Oklahoma — a reference to the second coming of Jesus. “That’s what we’re practicing for.”

 

[Risky Thicket]

The Oklahoma Supreme Court ruled the approval of the nation's first state-funded Catholic charter school, St. Isidore of Seville Catholic Virtual Charter School, is unconstitutional.

“The framers of the US Constitution and those who drafted Oklahoma’s Constitution clearly understood how best to protect religious freedom: by preventing the State from sponsoring any religion at all,” (AG) Drummond said in a statement Tuesday. “Now Oklahomans can be assured that our tax dollars will not fund the teachings of Sharia Law or even Satanism.”

 

[rhinefire]

"The Earth was created in six days." But at that point in time there was no such thing as time.

 

[Metanoia]

Few people, especially Christian, understand the true meaning of the 10 Commandments…..actually it was predictive and promissary.

 

[NewfieMom]

The purpose of the Republican Party is to lessen government control over the people. That means remove needless jobs and streamline processes to get things done.

You are confusing conservatives with Republicans. The purposes of Republicans is to undo the United States Constitution; give power back to the states to undo the protection that the federal government was able to give to people by overriding "states rights"; to allow corruption by Donald Trump; to undermine NATO; to help Russia to acquire Ukraine; and to pass a federal abortion ban firmly settling women as second class citizens. Republicans also run up the debt; they do not "streamline".

Remember that Republicans today belong to Trump, body and soul. They threw out John McCain and Mitt Romney. They also threw out Ronald Reagan, who wouldn't have allowed Russians in the Oval Office. They are not your father's Republican Party.

 

[jaypatriot]

You are confusing conservatives with Republicans. The purposes of Republicans is to undo the United States Constitution; give power back to the states to undo the protection that the federal government was able to give to people by overriding "states rights"; to allow corruption by Donald Trump; to undermine NATO; to help Russia to acquire Ukraine; and to pass a federal abortion ban firmly settling women as second class citizens. Republicans also run up the debt; they do not "streamline".

Remember that Republicans today belong to Trump, body and soul. They threw out John McCain and Mitt Romney. They also threw out Ronald Reagan, who wouldn't have allowed Russians in the Oval Office. They are not your father's Republican Party.

And you are confusing Republicans with treasonous conspiracy theorists.

At least we know who you will NOT be voting for.

 

[NewfieMom]

And you are confusing Republicans with treasonous conspiracy theorists.

At least we know who you will NOT be voting for.

You say under all your posts in small print that you will not vote for Trump, but will write in Nikki Haley's name once again. She is a Trump supporter and that write-in vote is a vote for Trump. He is the Republican Party. His Republican Party are the same people you call "treasonous conspiracy theorists". Only they aren't theorists. They are activists. January 6 was an activity. It was an attempted coup d'état by many of Trump's supporters who, if they spoke out against him once, have now fallen into line and support him. They are supporting his bid for autocracy. A vote for a Republican is a vote against the rule of law.

 

[CLAX1911]

“Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”

Not a U.S. law. Have all the gods you like in any order you wish... or no gods at all. That's the American way.

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image"

Feel free to make all the graven images you like. Go ahead and carve gods. Perfectly legal.

Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain

No law against this. I'd be serving life if there were.

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy

Or not. Feel to work or treat it like any other day.

Honour thy father and thy mother

You should but it's not a law. And maybe they were abusers so you can despise them if it makes you feel better.

Thou shalt not kill

Thou shalt not murder. Laws against murder are not based on the Ten Commandments. All societies have laws against murder regardless of their religious traditions, if any.

Thou shalt not commit adultery

Tough to sell this one if you're a Trumpette. But in any case, it's not against the law.

Thou shalt not steal

Laws against theft are not based on religious orthodoxy: They're just common sense.

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour

Perjury? Common sense illegal. Lying about your neighbor because you don't like him? Not illegal.

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's

None of this is illegal. This country's economy runs on coveting.


Kindly explain to me how the laws of the United States are based on the Ten Commandments.

It isn't Christianity isn't even based on that Christ gave two commandments.