The superbug that doctors have been dreading just reached the U.S.[W:79]

Hawkeye10 said:

We need to stop this cause we are are going to get another mod warning on tangents, this not being A2K.

Catch you in an immigration thread?

PM if interested.

Seriously.

MKay?

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Oops, my bad.

I did not look at the title of the thread...just at your comment.

Frank Apisa said:

Oops, my bad.

I did not look at the title of the thread...just at your comment.

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Ya, I did the same thing man, it was too good a subject to not talk about, I got all excited and everything.......

Then I saw my mistake.
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Sorry your modships.

Frank Apisa said:

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Typical. Gets caught making a terrible comment and plays it off with an insulting video. Stay classy, Frank.

WCH said:

I just heard a doctor on MSNBC say the last one was developed two years ago but, that the antibiotic of last resort was developed in the 1950.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colistin

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This is the last resort for some infections, as your Wiki link notes. One problem with it is renal damage. I've not heard of necrotizing fasciitis or necrotizing cellulitis being treated with it. (These are strep and staph MRSAs with a very high mortality rate.)

Napoleon said:

I would further qualify that by saying that cancers can kill in mere months from the time of diagnosis. The truth is though that, by the time of diagnosis in those cases, the body has been producing malignant cells for years. Cancer should be more concerning to everyone than the hypothetical bacteria that can't be treated by any existing antibiotics.

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Hypothetical bacteria?

Hurry, we need to throw billions of emergency dollars into this!

Such arrogance.

Herbal medicine can cure superbugs. It has been for over a decade, starting with MRSA.

Modern medicine's era is coming to an end, in its current form. It needs to either start incorporating other systems or people will stop using it.

Nature will force it to do so, as usual.

nota bene said:

Hypothetical bacteria?

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Yes, hypothetical. The article says that this bacteria is treatable with other antibiotics.

Napoleon said:

Yes, hypothetical. The article says that this bacteria is treatable with other antibiotics.

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I thought one of the points of this discussion is that super-bugs are becoming resistant to super-drugs. Are you saying that increased resistance is hypothetical? I'm asking because even in veterinary medicine there are some infections that have to be treated now with three cycles of antibiotics.

Northern Light said:

Such arrogance.

Herbal medicine can cure superbugs. It has been for over a decade, starting with MRSA.

Modern medicine's era is coming to an end, in its current form. It needs to either start incorporating other systems or people will stop using it.

Nature will force it to do so, as usual.

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Which herbal meds? I'd like to see some documentation of this.

nota bene said:

I thought one of the points of this discussion is that super-bugs are becoming resistant to super-drugs. Are you saying that increased resistance is hypothetical? I'm asking because even in veterinary medicine there are some infections that have to be treated now with three cycles of antibiotics.

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The OP is just a piece of sensationalism that warns of entirely resistant bacteria. The discussion shifted to merely increasing resistance when it was pointed out that the bacteria discussed in the OP article is not entirely resistant.

"Increasingly resistant" does indicate that "entirely resistant" could happen.

I've just been Googling around to find out about natural remedies. Natural News would certainly like you to try treating yourself.

The 5 best herbal antibiotics and anti-virals that kill deadly MRSA, flesh-eating bacteria, superbugs and a host of other pathogens - NaturalNews.com

We knew this day would come - Deadly strain of MRSA now resistant to last-line antibiotics for infections - NaturalNews.com

If you go "natural," you have a fool for a physician.

Hatuey said:

What are your solutions? Let me guess... something something ban immigrants. Come on, you did not confidently assert your position on the matter in your zika thread. Then you got exposed for lying at all costs in another thread about my position on the zika virus. Let's see if you can come out of your shell here.

By the way, the Teutoburg Monument?

It's not as subtle as you think it is.

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325,000,000 people Hatuey.

And growing.

Illness and disease are not the only reason why we need to start capping our population. I could probably list a dozen.

We'll be looking back in hindsight one day asking ourselves why we didn't do something about overpopulation while we still had the chance.

This isn't about race, I personally don't give a flying f where the people are coming from. If they were coming from the Teutoberg Forest and bringing illness, death and crime, I'd say ban them too! Wake up.

truthatallcost said:

325,000,000 people Hatuey.

And growing.

Illness and disease are not the only reason why we need to start capping our population. I could probably list a dozen.

We'll be looking back in hindsight one day asking ourselves why we didn't do something about overpopulation while we still had the chance.

This isn't about race, I personally don't give a flying f where the people are coming from. If they were coming from the Teutoberg Forest and bringing illness, death and crime, I'd say ban them too! Wake up.

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So yes, something something ban immigrants. Yes? Come out and say it. Quit hiding, it's pretty obvious.

Hatuey said:

So yes, something something ban immigrants. Yes? Come out and say it. Quit hiding, it's pretty obvious.

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That's your big retort?

Wait till theres half a billion people here, then the real drama is going to begin. Until then keep on witchhunting dem ol' racists that you see lurking everywhere.

Nature will thin out overcrowding. A little virus or bacteria can cut the population in half. It is clear we will never learn from our mistakes so nature will have to fix things as usual. Between the incompetence of our government and the arrogance of the know it all it will happen sooner than later.

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Which herbal meds? I'd like to see some documentation of this.

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Anything from the berberine family can stop MRSA, such as mahonia aquifolium (oregon grape), hydrastis (goldenseal), etc.

The foremost expert on herbal antibiotics in North America is Stephen Harod Buhner. He wrote a book about it called "Herbal Antibiotics" that was published in recent years, which has loads of research in it. I've been using herbs to stop infection in my family for a long time because my son's autism is very gut mediated, and when he takes pharmaceutical antibiotics he has behavioral problems.

Calling them herbal antibiotics isn't really accurate though. They behave more like chemical messengers to modulate bacterial populations, which is how plants function in forest communities. Each plant modulates soil communities so that one group of bacteria doesn't get out of hand. Works the same in the body. Though I know that berberines, in vitro, work really well against staph. I've used OG salve to stop my own staph infection.

Anyway, my point is, there's expertise everywhere lying in wait to stop resistant bacteria. Modern medicine is sounding the alarm as if they are the only ones capable of ever treating infection for all times. It's not true. Medicine existed before them, and will exist after. Nobody should be scammed into thinking they need to die if modern medicine can't work anymore. Their antibiotics are less than a century old, they weren't meant to last.

Btw I am not an herbalist or an expert. A lot of people in my community, including my family, use herbal medicine. There are economic reasons for that, but also ethical ones. There are a lot of people who have dropped out of pharmaceutical antibiotic use for a long time now.

How many people would you estimate have "dropped out of pharmaceutical antibiotic use"?

Their lives to gamble. But if you think that "herbal antibiotics" will stop necrotizing fasciitis or necrotizing cellulitis, I'd like to see evidence. These, especially the fasciitis, can kill within 36 hours.

PIPEWRENCH said:

Nature will thin out overcrowding. A little virus or bacteria can cut the population in half. It is clear we will never learn from our mistakes so nature will have to fix things as usual. Between the incompetence of our government and the arrogance of the know it all it will happen sooner than later.

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If a disease takes out half of the human population, it sure won't be the top half (from a wealth standpoint). Even if it gets so bad, and the treatment of said disease is so expensive that only the 1% can afford it...that would be an interesting world to observe. Someone has to work in mines gathering resources, someone has to grow all the food...it doesn't matter how big your pile of money is when there's nobody to throw it at to get what you want/need

Johnson said:

If a disease takes out half of the human population, it sure won't be the top half (from a wealth standpoint). Even if it gets so bad, and the treatment of said disease is so expensive that only the 1% can afford it...that would be an interesting world to observe. Someone has to work in mines gathering resources, someone has to grow all the food...it doesn't matter how big your pile of money is when there's nobody to throw it at to get what you want/need

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It's true that the wealthy can better afford medical treatment, but disease doesn't necessarily discriminate.

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It's true that the wealthy can better afford medical treatment, but disease doesn't necessarily discriminate.

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True that, a bacterial colony doesn't really use your W-2 to decide whether or not to mess with you

Johnson said:

True that, a bacterial colony doesn't really use your W-2 to decide whether or not to mess with you

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Wealthier people are less likely to eat tainted food and drink bad water. But, other than that, you're right. The bugs don't care.

Is tainted food or water a problem in this country?

From what I have been told by doctors, it is not using antibiotics too much that is the problem (except in animals...that's not good). But using them not 'fully'.

Taking antibiotics for a cold is useless, but it won't strengthen infectious bugs since you don't have any if you have a cold as a cold is viral, not an infection.

The main problem (as I was told - other then animal over use) is that people don't finish their antibiotics when they do have an infection (stopping when they feel better) and this leaves some of the infection alive and makes it more resistant - which makes it harder to kill the next time.

I was told that it is VERY IMPORTANT to finish ALL of your prescribed antibiotics - even if you feel fine.


As for the story? A world without antibiotics that work? As someone who would have literally died as a child without antibiotics, that is a scary thought.