The superbug that doctors have been dreading just reached the U.S.[W:79]

[jmotivator]

... what was the number of people who died of ebola from an infection they received on American soil, again?

Yeah, we shouldn't improve our containment protocols until after a deadly contagious disease gets out.

Why learn a lesson from the severe breaches in containment protocol during the ebola scare if nobody got sick! :roll:

 

[Ntharotep]

Yes, every life ends in a fatality. :roll:

In the meantime, there are some who live with life-threatening conditions and who are, obviously, more vulnerable than you are and who must depend on "super-drugs" should they become infected or, more likely, re-infected. Once you have a MRSA, for example, you are more "attractive" to super-bugs than the rest of the population. If the super-drug doesn't work, you're screwed.

So to continue your apparent line of thinking, I guess it just sucks to be them.

This reminded me of what my brother said about why he is so anal about controlling his diabetes.
"I'm not afraid of dying. I just don't want to lose any body parts, go deaf or blind, or not be able to walk along the way."
Disease is often times worse than death.

Hope these folks are working urgently on a way to fight this.

 

[brothern]

One problem, as discussed in this thread, is that new antibiotics have not been found. My example is Vancomycin.

Have not been found -- yet.
OTOH antibiotics will be old science some day. Gene therapy and altering genes is the future.

The problem, Enigma, is not one of someone "just" coming up with a new antibiotic. If it were, we wouldn't be discussing it.
Instead what's been happening has been two-fold.

First, the new drug/develop resistance cycle is shortening. Back when penicillin and the other "first generation" antibiotics were invented, on average it took perhaps a decade for bacteria to develop resistance to them. However over time that cycle length from "drug launch" to "inevitable resistance" has shrunk. By the 1980s bacterial resistance to new drugs was arising within five years. And today? We're now down to a new drug's effectiveness lasting weeks, months and perhaps a year if we've lucked out.

Second, now that we've been on the new drug/develop resistance cycle for 60 years, the cost of coming up with s new antibiotic has turned from "do-able" to out-and-out prohibitive. To put it in corporate speak, we've already taken advantage of all of the "low-hanging fruit" by now. We've come to a breaking point where the cost of developing new antibiotics is so immense, and the pay-off so small, that the incentive to find new antibiotics is no longer there.

Which wouldn't be a concern ... if we had some idea of technology that'd could escape the problem of bacteria becoming resistant. But we don't. Instead we're very seriously looking at the possibility of returning to a world where we don't have any effective antibiotics in our collective arsenal.

 

[Napoleon]

Well, yes. And I should've qualified my statement with "most" just as you should've qualified yours with the same. Some cancers kill in mere months.

I would further qualify that by saying that cancers can kill in mere months from the time of diagnosis. The truth is though that, by the time of diagnosis in those cases, the body has been producing malignant cells for years. Cancer should be more concerning to everyone than the hypothetical bacteria that can't be treated by any existing antibiotics.

 

[WCH]

Probably the best thing that could happen to the earth. We are like a virus that kills it's host.

If we're not here, who will give a damn?

 

[WCH]

One problem, as discussed in this thread, is that new antibiotics have not been found. My example is Vancomycin.

I just heard a doctor on MSNBC say the last one was developed two years ago but, that the antibiotic of last resort was developed in the 1950.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colistin

 

[Hatuey]

"made its way to the USA"...as every such disease does. The government can't screen out poop bacteria, yet they are the ones who will keep us safe from Isis infiltrating the USA! Doesn't feel very reassuring.

What are your solutions? Let me guess... something something ban immigrants. Come on, you did not confidently assert your position on the matter in your zika thread. Then you got exposed for lying at all costs in another thread about my position on the zika virus. Let's see if you can come out of your shell here.

By the way, the Teutoburg Monument?

It's not as subtle as you think it is.

 

[Frank Apisa]

What are your solutions? Let me guess... something something ban immigrants. Come on, you did not confidently assert your position on the matter in your zika thread. Then you got exposed for lying at all costs in another thread about my position on the zika virus. Let's see if you can come out of your shell here.

By the way, the Teutoburg Monument?

It's not as subtle as you think it is.

You were close. But I think the right's correct solution would be:

Something, something ban immigrants...and lower taxes on the rich.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

... what was the number of people who died of ebola from an infection they received on American soil, again?

None thanks to the people in this country that spoke out and stopped our government from risk our lives needlessly.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

You were close. But I think the right's correct solution would be:

Something, something ban immigrants...and lower taxes on the rich.

We don't want to ban immigrants. We just don't see the sanity of rewarding people who break our laws and circumvent our immigration system.

 

[Frank Apisa]

We don't want to ban immigrants. We just don't see the sanity of rewarding people who break our laws and circumvent our immigration system.

Are you saying you do not want to ban immigrants, Pipe...

...or are you giving your reasons for wanting to do that?

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

Yeah, we shouldn't improve our containment protocols until after a deadly contagious disease gets out.

Why learn a lesson from the severe breaches in containment protocol during the ebola scare if nobody got sick! :roll:

That is government 101. Build proper levees after Katrina. Evacuate the people after the hurricane and it is virtually impossible.

Hopefully the out break will be in DC and solve most of this countries problems.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

Are you saying you do not want to ban immigrants, Pipe...

...or are you giving your reasons for wanting to do that?

My ancestors were immigrants. I think immigration is vital to this country and will continue to make it great. Criminals with no respect for our laws entering this country illegally are not immigrants. They are invaders, illegal aliens, and a cancer destroying this country. Rewarding bad behavior with a citizenship is insane and will only make the problem worse. Rewarding people to break our laws is beyond stupidity.

 

[Frank Apisa]

My ancestors were immigrants. I think immigration is vital to this country and will continue to make it great. Criminals with no respect for our laws entering this country illegally are not immigrants. They are invaders, illegal aliens, and a cancer destroying this country. Rewarding bad behavior with a citizenship is insane and will only make the problem worse. Rewarding people to break our laws is beyond stupidity.

My FATHER was born out of this country...he was an immigrant. My MOTHER was first generation...both her parents were immigrants.

We are a nation of immigrants, Pipe. We both know that.

A huge majority of our "illegal immigrants" seem to be people enticed from Mexico by farmers in California and the other border states...who need coolies to do work for pay so low no American would even consider it.

Many businesses in America would shut down if it weren't for those "illegal immigrants"...and the cost of our food would probably double.

You are right...we have to do something about this problem.

But the "problem" is not what what most conservatives think it is...and the solution is light years away from the absurd, maniacal solutions some of them are proposing.

Just sayin'.

 

[jmotivator]

That is government 101. Build proper levees after Katrina. Evacuate the people after the hurricane and it is virtually impossible.

Hopefully the out break will be in DC and solve most of this countries problems.

Can we hold off on that until I finish my move out of town?

 

[OpportunityCost]

Indeed.

And after listening to some of the conversations taking place here in DP...perhaps it is overdue.

I'd really rather it not happen until after we perfect AI...which should happen during the lifetime of people now alive.

Are you really saying people on this site should die from some superbug? Because you seem to be indicating that. Which would make this post one of the most disgusting I've seen anywhere.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Are you really saying people on this site should die from some superbug? Because you seem to be indicating that. Which would make this post one of the most disgusting I've seen anywhere.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

A huge majority of our "illegal immigrants" seem to be people enticed from Mexico by farmers in California and the other border states...who need coolies to do work for pay so low no American would even consider it.

They are not immigrants. Most come and return to their country. An immigrant is a person migrating to this country. These people working here should have a visa or work permit. They should be paid min mum wage. They should pay taxes for the right to work here and use our roads and infrastructure. We don't know the needed work force from the cartel, gangs, and criminals. This is ridiculous.

Many businesses in America would shut down if it weren't for those "illegal immigrants"...and the cost of our food would probably double.

No. Businesses would not shut down. Greedy corrupt business owners would be forced to pay people a decent wage. The cost of food would not double. I buy local grown fruits and vegetables where I live and they are compatible with the fruits and vegetables I get from California using slave labor. Another lie by the greedy to exploit workers. I can afford a cotton t-shirt and we don't need slaves to pick the cotton. Just more lies.

But the "problem" is not what what most conservatives think it is...and the solution is light years away from the absurd, maniacal solutions some of them are proposing.

More lies. Securing our border is not absurd. Knowing who is entering this country and where they are working is not absurd. Requiring these people to report where they are working and forcing businesses to pay minimum wage is not absurd. Requiring these workers to pay their fair share of taxes to maintain our infrastructure is not absurd. Deporting people with no respect for our laws and circumventing our immigration system is not absurd.

What is absurd is rewarding criminals circumventing our immigration policy with a citizenship. Allowing criminals to sneak into this country and have anchor babies to circumvent our immigration system is absurd. Allowing business owners to not pay people a fair wage, not pay their fair share of taxes, and use this slave labor to undermine a livable wage is absurd.

 

[Frank Apisa]

They are not immigrants. Most come and return to their country. An immigrant is a person migrating to this country. These people working here should have a visa or work permit. They should be paid min mum wage. They should pay taxes for the right to work here and use our roads and infrastructure. We don't know the needed work force from the cartel, gangs, and criminals. This is ridiculous.



No. Businesses would not shut down. Greedy corrupt business owners would be forced to pay people a decent wage. The cost of food would not double. I buy local grown fruits and vegetables where I live and they are compatible with the fruits and vegetables I get from California using slave labor. Another lie by the greedy to exploit workers. I can afford a cotton t-shirt and we don't need slaves to pick the cotton. Just more lies.



More lies. Securing our border is not absurd. Knowing who is entering this country and where they are working is not absurd. Requiring these people to report where they are working and forcing businesses to pay minimum wage is not absurd. Requiring these workers to pay their fair share of taxes to maintain our infrastructure is not absurd. Deporting people with no respect for our laws and circumventing our immigration system is not absurd.

What is absurd is rewarding criminals circumventing our immigration policy with a citizenship. Allowing criminals to sneak into this country and have anchor babies to circumvent our immigration system is absurd. Allowing business owners to not pay people a fair wage, not pay their fair share of taxes, and use this slave labor to undermine a livable wage is absurd.

I thank you for sharing your views on this, Pipe.

We disagree.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

Can we hold off on that until I finish my move out of town?

Sure. Hurry up.

 

[jmotivator]

Sure. Hurry up.

'preciate it!

 

[Hawkeye10]

My FATHER was born out of this country...he was an immigrant. My MOTHER was first generation...both her parents were immigrants.

We are a nation of immigrants, Pipe. We both know that.

A huge majority of our "illegal immigrants" seem to be people enticed from Mexico by farmers in California and the other border states...who need coolies to do work for pay so low no American would even consider it.

Many businesses in America would shut down if it weren't for those "illegal immigrants"...and the cost of our food would probably double.

You are right...we have to do something about this problem.

But the "problem" is not what what most conservatives think it is...and the solution is light years away from the absurd, maniacal solutions some of them are proposing.

Just sayin'.

Whoopty do, we bring in a million a year which aint chicken feed. We have nothing to feel guilty about if we choose to not take more, or if we refuse to follow the lefty argument that national borders have to go away because they run (according to them) against human rights.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Whoopty do, we bring in a million a year which aint chicken feed. We have nothing to feel guilty about if we choose to not take more, or if we refuse to follow the lefty argument that national borders have to go away because they run (according to them) against human rights.

Who is the "we" you talking about?

Got a mouse in your pocket, Hawk?

 

[Hari Seldon]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...tors-have-been-dreading-just-reached-the-u-s/

"For the first time, researchers have found a person in the United States carrying bacteria resistant to antibiotics of last resort, an alarming development that the top U.S. public health official says could mean "the end of the road" for antibiotics.

The antibiotic-resistant strain was found last month in the urine of a 49-year-old Pennsylvania woman. Department of Defense researchers determined that she carried a strain of E. coli resistant to the antibiotic colistin, according to a study published Thursday in Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy, a publication of the American Society for Microbiology. The authors wrote that the discovery "heralds the emergence of a truly pan-drug resistant bacteria."

Colistin is the antibiotic of last resort for particularly dangerous types of superbugs, including a family of bacteria known as CRE, which health officials have dubbed "nightmare bacteria." In some instances, these superbugs kill up to 50 percent of patients who become infected. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has called CRE among the country's most urgent public health threats."


That's... disconcerting.

I'm sure liberals and Obama are responsible.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Who is the "we" you talking about?

Got a mouse in your pocket, Hawk?

We need to stop this cause we are are going to get another mod warning on tangents any minute now, this not being A2K.

Catch you in an immigration thread?

PM if interested.

Seriously.

MKay?