The Sun Spun Too Fast

[Bodi]

Thanks not allowing me to clarify.

uuhhhh... what?


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[Lursa]

Did @Bodi ever bother to share any data to back up his claims?

Rarely. He's consistent tho, he also rarely acknowledges the citations others post that dispute his claims. /sarcasm

 

[Bodi]

Even if a gas giant has a nebulous surface in constant flux it does rotate. Jupiter's Great Red Spot does move as the planet rotates.

Just as storms do on Earth...

 

[Bodi]

Did @Bodi ever bother to share any data to back up his claims?

I think I did. Evidence suggests the Sun played a role in past Ice Ages through variations in solar output. This is pretty well established. Periods of low sunspot activity, like the Maunder Minimum... happened with colder global temperatures, while changes in solar rays affected how much energy reached Earth.



Milankovitch Cycles

Milankovitch (Orbital) Cycles and Their Role in Earth's Climate - NASA Science

Small cyclical variations in the shape of Earth's orbit, its wobble and the angle its axis is tilted play key roles in influencing Earth's climate over timespans of tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of years.

science.nasa.gov

Which alter Earth's orbit and tilt, also influenced ice ages by changing sunlight distribution.

 

[phoenix2020]

I think I did. Evidence suggests the Sun played a role in past Ice Ages through variations in solar output. This is pretty well established. Periods of low sunspot activity, like the Maunder Minimum... happened with colder global temperatures, while changes in solar rays affected how much energy reached Earth.

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Milankovitch Cycles

Milankovitch (Orbital) Cycles and Their Role in Earth's Climate - NASA Science

Small cyclical variations in the shape of Earth's orbit, its wobble and the angle its axis is tilted play key roles in influencing Earth's climate over timespans of tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of years.

science.nasa.gov

Which alter Earth's orbit and tilt, also influenced ice ages by changing sunlight distribution.

Great but I was wondering about the sun’s rotation rate claim that you made. Not Earth axial tilt, Sun sunspot activity etc.

 

[Gatsby]

New theories are coming out that shows how the Sun’s rapid spinning during the Ice Age flung heat away, preventing it from properly warming Earth. Its extreme rotation scattered solar rays, creating a cosmic wind chill that froze the planet. Glaciers expanded because the Sun’s energy was too unfocused to melt ice. Over time, as the Sun’s spin slowed, its rays concentrated more effectively, gradually warming Earth and ending the Ice Age.

Ahem. This is total nonsense on par with flat-earthers, not science.

The last several glacial periods have been caused by the Milankovitch Cycles (i.e. axial tilt, orbital eccentricity, and precession of equinoxes), not "the sun's rapid spinning creating a cosmic wind chill." That isn't a thing.

 

[Michael Cole]

New theories are coming out that shows how the Sun’s rapid spinning during the Ice Age flung heat away, preventing it from properly warming Earth. Its extreme rotation scattered solar rays, creating a cosmic wind chill that froze the planet. Glaciers expanded because the Sun’s energy was too unfocused to melt ice. Over time, as the Sun’s spin slowed, its rays concentrated more effectively, gradually warming Earth and ending the Ice Age.

This makes no sense. How does an increased rate of rotation scatter solar rays? And what would cause the sun to speed up?

 

[Bodi]

This makes no sense. How does an increased rate of rotation scatter solar rays? And what would cause the sun to speed up?

Spray some water from your hose at an object and start slowly rotating. See how wet the object gets... then start spinning really fast. Se how scattered the water goes and how less and less water hits the object.

 

[Michael Cole]

Spray some water from your hose at an object and start slowly rotating. See how wet the object gets... then start spinning really fast. Se how scattered the water goes and how less and less water hits the object.

??? I'll accept a video of your experimental results, thanks.

Solar rays are not liquid emitted through a hose under pressure. I think your physics is off.

So, what could possibly speed up the sun?

 

[Bodi]

??? I'll accept a video of your experimental results, thanks.

Solar rays are not liquid emitted through a hose under pressure. I think your physics is off.

It was an example... fine. Do the same thing but have the object be a glow in the dark decal that you put in your kids room so they can see "the stars".

See which creates a brighter decal with the light from you flashlight. Slow rotation. Fast rotation. It is obviously Slow Rotation.

So, what could possibly speed up the sun?

See post #29


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[Michael Cole]

It was an example... fine. Do the same thing but have the object be a glow in the dark decal that you put in your kids room so they can see "the stars".

See which creates a brighter decal with the light from you flashlight. Slow rotation. Fast rotation. It is obviously Slow Rotation.



See post #29


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So, nothing but backyard experiments. No thanks. If it makes sense to you, that's all that matters.

 

[Bodi]

So, nothing but backyard experiments. No thanks. If it makes sense to you, that's all that matters.

Nope. The science is real. I am just simplifying it for you with an analogy.


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[Gatsby]

Nope. The science is real.

Did you read this "science" in the Weekly World News?

 

[Bodi]

Ahem. This is total nonsense on par with flat-earthers, not science.

The last several glacial periods have been caused by the Milankovitch Cycles (i.e. axial tilt, orbital eccentricity, and precession of equinoxes), not "the sun's rapid spinning creating a cosmic wind chill." That isn't a thing.

Orbital positions and speed are non-sense?


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[Gatsby]

Orbital positions and speed are non-sense?

The sun's rotation doesn't just randomly speed up and slow down. That would violate conservation of angular momentum. Its rotation is gradually slowing over billions of years, but on shorter timescales it's basically constant.

To reiterate: The last several glacial periods have been caused by the earth's Milankovitch Cycles (i.e. axial tilt, orbital eccentricity, and precession of equinoxes), not "the sun's rapid spinning creating a cosmic wind chill." That isn't a thing.

Finally, are you going to tell us where you heard this theory? Because you haven't cited any source for this amazing "science." If I didn't know better, I'd think you pulled it straight out of your ass.

 

[Lord of Planar]

If I didn't know better, I'd think you pulled it straight out of your ass.

It most certainly came from some dark hole that rhe sun doesnt shine.

 

[longview]

Hiding in all of this is that we do not really know what causes the sun spot cycle, but that it does affect our climate.
There could also be other factors like wavelength shifts from an active sun vs a quiet sun.
The popular alarmist comparison is temperature vs the top of the atmosphere Total Solar Irradiance,

but the number that matters is Surface solar radiation, the amount of available sunlight that reaches the surface.

While the TSI was declining, the Surface Solar Radiation was increasing in most places.

 

[Helix]

Scientists are all wrong, and the sun doesn't actually exist. It is a conspiracy invented to destroy the internal combustion engine, coal jobs, and the global petroleum industry.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Scientists are all wrong, and the sun doesn't actually exist. It is a conspiracy invented to destroy the internal combustion engine, coal jobs, and the global petroleum industry.

Isn't that something Tommy Chong would say?

 

[Helix]

Isn't that something Tommy Chong would say?

Don't know. I never met him.