The Sun Is Going Dim

LowDown · Dec 18, 2017

NASA data shows that the sun is getting progressively more dim. It's now at it's lowest ebb in 37 years of observation in terms of radiance. This appears to correlate with low sun spot numbers.

Climate science dogma would be to slap a linear extrapolation on the trend and predict that the sun will go out in 20,400 years.

AlbqOwl · Dec 18, 2017

LowDown said:
NASA data shows that the sun is getting progressively more dim. It's now at it's lowest ebb in 37 years of observation in terms of radiance. This appears to correlate with low sun spot numbers.

Climate science dogma would be to slap a linear extrapolation on the trend and predict that the sun will go out in 20,400 years.

LOL. Probably. And just like politically motivated climate scientists, they will probably extrapolate 30 some years of observation into paleontological certainty.

Now all we have to do is watch for a call for funding of studies to find a way to 'fix the sun'.

Praxas · Dec 18, 2017

LowDown said:
Climate science dogma would be to slap a linear extrapolation on the trend and predict that the sun will go out in 20,400 years.

And religious righties would like to slap it on that "God did it" and it could go out next week if we don't ban gay marriage and execute gays.

Glen Contrarian · Dec 18, 2017

LowDown said:
NASA data shows that the sun is getting progressively more dim. It's now at it's lowest ebb in 37 years of observation in terms of radiance. This appears to correlate with low sun spot numbers.

Climate science dogma would be to slap a linear extrapolation on the trend and predict that the sun will go out in 20,400 years.

The sun is going a little dimmer...and yet the ten hottest years have been since 2000? Looks like you can't excuse global warming on the sun getting hotter anymore, huh? That's yet another climate-change-denial excuse that's gone down the drain.

But I get it - all the nations of the world except for America, and the overwhelming majority of the world's scientists (and almost all of the world's climate scientists) are ALL WRONG...because it's only American conservatives who are right, only American conservatives who know that there is no global warming, that all the rest of the world and the world's scientists are all part of a VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY to destroy democracy and bring about a socialist paradise!!!! ONLY the American conservatives know better, 'cause they know more about climate science than ANY climate scientists!

:roll:

PoS · Dec 18, 2017

LowDown said:
NASA data shows that the sun is getting progressively more dim. It's now at it's lowest ebb in 37 years of observation in terms of radiance. This appears to correlate with low sun spot numbers.

Uh oh, in that case we need to send a spacecraft with a sun bomb to reignite it! :2razz:

faithful_servant · Dec 18, 2017

Glen Contrarian said:
The sun is going a little dimmer...and yet the ten hottest years have been since 2000? Looks like you can't excuse global warming on the sun getting hotter anymore, huh? That's yet another climate-change-denial excuse that's gone down the drain.

But I get it - all the nations of the world except for America, and the overwhelming majority of the world's scientists (and almost all of the world's climate scientists) are ALL WRONG...because it's only American conservatives who are right, only American conservatives who know that there is no global warming, that all the rest of the world and the world's scientists are all part of a VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY to destroy democracy and bring about a socialist paradise!!!! ONLY the American conservatives know better, 'cause they know more about climate science than ANY climate scientists!

:roll:

What about the ten years from 32,456 to 32,446 BC? I thought that they were the ten hottest years on record... oh wait... we don't have any records from that period so we don't have a clue what the temps were then...

faithful_servant · Dec 18, 2017

PoS said:
Uh oh, in that case we need to send a spacecraft with a sun bomb to reignite it! :2razz:

We also need to stop using solar panels so that we can preserve as much solar energy as possible.
:mrgreen:

Lethargic Aptitude · Dec 18, 2017

LowDown said:
NASA data shows that the sun is getting progressively more dim. It's now at it's lowest ebb in 37 years of observation in terms of radiance. This appears to correlate with low sun spot numbers.

Climate science dogma would be to slap a linear extrapolation on the trend and predict that the sun will go out in 20,400 years.

That isnt a link to "NASA data" its a link to a highly biased blog.

Russell797 · Dec 18, 2017

LowDown said:
NASA data shows that the sun is getting progressively more dim. It's now at it's lowest ebb in 37 years of observation in terms of radiance. This appears to correlate with low sun spot numbers.

So what? What point are you trying to make? Of what relevance is that to AGW?

Climate science dogma would be to slap a linear extrapolation on the trend and predict that the sun will go out in 20,400 years.

What makes you say that? Do you think this is a joke?

Jack Hays · Dec 18, 2017

Glen Contrarian said:
The sun is going a little dimmer...and yet the ten hottest years have been since 2000? Looks like you can't excuse global warming on the sun getting hotter anymore, huh? That's yet another climate-change-denial excuse that's gone down the drain.

But I get it - all the nations of the world except for America, and the overwhelming majority of the world's scientists (and almost all of the world's climate scientists) are ALL WRONG...because it's only American conservatives who are right, only American conservatives who know that there is no global warming, that all the rest of the world and the world's scientists are all part of a VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY to destroy democracy and bring about a socialist paradise!!!! ONLY the American conservatives know better, 'cause they know more about climate science than ANY climate scientists!

:roll:

Actually not so. Those who would denigrate the solar/GCR hypothesis invariably ignore all the solar factors except irradiance. That's their error.

[h=2]Climate debate at the Cambridge Union - a 10 minute summary of the main problems with the standard alarmist polemic[/h]

blackjack50 · Dec 18, 2017

Praxas said:
And religious righties would like to slap it on that "God did it" and it could go out next week if we don't ban gay marriage and execute gays.

Religious right winger here. I believe in climate change. Just figured I’d let you know.

Jack Hays · Dec 18, 2017

blackjack50 said:
Religious right winger here. I believe in climate change. Just figured I’d let you know.

And I'm agnostic and I don't. So I think we've got it covered.

blackjack50 · Dec 18, 2017

Jack Hays said:
And I'm agnostic and I don't. So I think we've got it covered.

Good. We can now throw wrenches at the silly statement to which I replied.

Glen Contrarian · Dec 18, 2017

Jack Hays said:
Actually not so. Those who would denigrate the solar/GCR hypothesis invariably ignore all the solar factors except irradiance. That's their error.

[h=2]Climate debate at the Cambridge Union - a 10 minute summary of the main problems with the standard alarmist polemic[/h]

As I pointed out sarcastically above, y'all's position is this: "all the nations of the world except for America, and the overwhelming majority of the world's scientists (and almost all of the world's climate scientists) are ALL WRONG...because it's only American conservatives who are right, only American conservatives who know that there is no global warming, that all the rest of the world and the world's scientists are all part of a VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY to destroy democracy and bring about a socialist paradise!!!! ONLY the American conservatives know better, 'cause they know more about climate science than ANY climate scientists!"

Yep! ONLY the American conservatives know the truth and have immunized themselves against the conspiratorial efforts of the overwhelming majority of scientists worldwide...'cause you know those scientists - they're all cowards 'cause they never think for themselves, they're only out after the next guv'mint contract (even when the guv'mint's run by a guy who claims global warming is a Chinese myth)...the only scientists with real courage and spine are those vanishingly few who stand with Big Oil and American conservatives and claim that (1) the world's not getting warmer, or (2) the world's getting warmer, but it's not because of humans, or (3) Trump's right that it's all just a Chinese hoax, or (4) it's a grand global conspiracy to promote socialism, or (5) no scientists know anything, that they're just guessing, or (6) the world's getting warmer 'cause the sun is getting hotter, or (7) the world's actually getting colder - see the snowball the congressman was holding? - or, (8) it's all groupthink on the part of the scientists, or (9) humanity has a very small effect on the climate, that it must be something else, or...wait, did I forget any?

In other words, to be a True American Conservative, you have the Great American Freedom to think anything you want about the climate...except that the ONLY possibly that must never, ever, EVER be considered is that the CO2 and other greenhouse gases produced by hundreds of millions of cars (and hundreds of thousands of factories, tens of thousands of ships, and untold hundreds of thousands of other vehicles) just might be driving the global warming that the overwhelming majority of the world's scientists are warning us about.

:roll:

KevinKohler · Dec 18, 2017

Glen Contrarian said:
The sun is going a little dimmer...and yet the ten hottest years have been since 2000? Looks like you can't excuse global warming on the sun getting hotter anymore, huh? That's yet another climate-change-denial excuse that's gone down the drain.

But I get it - all the nations of the world except for America, and the overwhelming majority of the world's scientists (and almost all of the world's climate scientists) are ALL WRONG...because it's only American conservatives who are right, only American conservatives who know that there is no global warming, that all the rest of the world and the world's scientists are all part of a VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY to destroy democracy and bring about a socialist paradise!!!! ONLY the American conservatives know better, 'cause they know more about climate science than ANY climate scientists!

:roll:

LOL.

Size or brightness has nothing to do with radiation levels emitted.

Glen Contrarian · Dec 18, 2017

KevinKohler said:
LOL.

Size or brightness has nothing to do with radiation levels emitted.

Yeah, the world's climate scientists would never, ever think of that, would they? Besides, they're too busy attending conspiracy-support meetings with the rest of the world's Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy on how to spread socialism and destroy democracy and capitalism and force us all to learn how to speak French!

Jack Hays · Dec 18, 2017

Glen Contrarian said:
As I pointed out sarcastically above, y'all's position is this: "all the nations of the world except for America, and the overwhelming majority of the world's scientists (and almost all of the world's climate scientists) are ALL WRONG...because it's only American conservatives who are right, only American conservatives who know that there is no global warming, that all the rest of the world and the world's scientists are all part of a VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY to destroy democracy and bring about a socialist paradise!!!! ONLY the American conservatives know better, 'cause they know more about climate science than ANY climate scientists!"

Yep! ONLY the American conservatives know the truth and have immunized themselves against the conspiratorial efforts of the overwhelming majority of scientists worldwide...'cause you know those scientists - they're all cowards 'cause they never think for themselves, they're only out after the next guv'mint contract (even when the guv'mint's run by a guy who claims global warming is a Chinese myth)...the only scientists with real courage and spine are those vanishingly few who stand with Big Oil and American conservatives and claim that (1) the world's not getting warmer, or (2) the world's getting warmer, but it's not because of humans, or (3) Trump's right that it's all just a Chinese hoax, or (4) it's a grand global conspiracy to promote socialism, or (5) no scientists know anything, that they're just guessing, or (6) the world's getting warmer 'cause the sun is getting hotter, or (7) the world's actually getting colder - see the snowball the congressman was holding? - or, (8) it's all groupthink on the part of the scientists, or (9) humanity has a very small effect on the climate, that it must be something else, or...wait, did I forget any?

In other words, to be a True American Conservative, you have the Great American Freedom to think anything you want about the climate...except that the ONLY possibly that must never, ever, EVER be considered is that the CO2 and other greenhouse gases produced by hundreds of millions of cars (and hundreds of thousands of factories, tens of thousands of ships, and untold hundreds of thousands of other vehicles) just might be driving the global warming that the overwhelming majority of the world's scientists are warning us about.

:roll:

The author of the link is Professor Nir Shaviv, Chairman of the Raccah Institute for Physics at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and IBM Einstein Fellow at the Institute for Advanced Study.

Glen Contrarian · Dec 18, 2017

Jack Hays said:
The author of the link is Professor Nir Shaviv, Chairman of the Raccah Institute for Physics at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and IBM Einstein Fellow at the Institute for Advanced Study.

AGAIN:

As I pointed out sarcastically above, y'all's position is this: "all the nations of the world except for America, and the overwhelming majority of the world's scientists (and almost all of the world's climate scientists) are ALL WRONG...because it's only American conservatives who are right, only American conservatives who know that there is no global warming, that all the rest of the world and the world's scientists are all part of a VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY to destroy democracy and bring about a socialist paradise!!!! ONLY the American conservatives know better, 'cause they know more about climate science than ANY climate scientists!"

Yep! ONLY the American conservatives know the truth and have immunized themselves against the conspiratorial efforts of the overwhelming majority of scientists worldwide...'cause you know those scientists - they're all cowards 'cause they never think for themselves, they're only out after the next guv'mint contract (even when the guv'mint's run by a guy who claims global warming is a Chinese myth)...the only scientists with real courage and spine are those vanishingly few who stand with Big Oil and American conservatives and claim that (1) the world's not getting warmer, or (2) the world's getting warmer, but it's not because of humans, or (3) Trump's right that it's all just a Chinese hoax, or (4) it's a grand global conspiracy to promote socialism, or (5) no scientists know anything, that they're just guessing, or (6) the world's getting warmer 'cause the sun is getting hotter, or (7) the world's actually getting colder - see the snowball the congressman was holding? - or, (8) it's all groupthink on the part of the scientists, or (9) humanity has a very small effect on the climate, that it must be something else, or...wait, did I forget any?

In other words, to be a True American Conservative, you have the Great American Freedom to think anything you want about the climate...except that the ONLY possibly that must never, ever, EVER be considered is that the CO2 and other greenhouse gases produced by hundreds of millions of cars (and hundreds of thousands of factories, tens of thousands of ships, and untold hundreds of thousands of other vehicles) just might be driving the global warming that the overwhelming majority of the world's scientists are warning us about.

Jack Hays · Dec 18, 2017

Glen Contrarian said:
AGAIN:

As I pointed out sarcastically above, y'all's position is this: "all the nations of the world except for America, and the overwhelming majority of the world's scientists (and almost all of the world's climate scientists) are ALL WRONG...because it's only American conservatives who are right, only American conservatives who know that there is no global warming, that all the rest of the world and the world's scientists are all part of a VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY to destroy democracy and bring about a socialist paradise!!!! ONLY the American conservatives know better, 'cause they know more about climate science than ANY climate scientists!"

Yep! ONLY the American conservatives know the truth and have immunized themselves against the conspiratorial efforts of the overwhelming majority of scientists worldwide...'cause you know those scientists - they're all cowards 'cause they never think for themselves, they're only out after the next guv'mint contract (even when the guv'mint's run by a guy who claims global warming is a Chinese myth)...the only scientists with real courage and spine are those vanishingly few who stand with Big Oil and American conservatives and claim that (1) the world's not getting warmer, or (2) the world's getting warmer, but it's not because of humans, or (3) Trump's right that it's all just a Chinese hoax, or (4) it's a grand global conspiracy to promote socialism, or (5) no scientists know anything, that they're just guessing, or (6) the world's getting warmer 'cause the sun is getting hotter, or (7) the world's actually getting colder - see the snowball the congressman was holding? - or, (8) it's all groupthink on the part of the scientists, or (9) humanity has a very small effect on the climate, that it must be something else, or...wait, did I forget any?

In other words, to be a True American Conservative, you have the Great American Freedom to think anything you want about the climate...except that the ONLY possibly that must never, ever, EVER be considered is that the CO2 and other greenhouse gases produced by hundreds of millions of cars (and hundreds of thousands of factories, tens of thousands of ships, and untold hundreds of thousands of other vehicles) just might be driving the global warming that the overwhelming majority of the world's scientists are warning us about.

The leading opponents of AGW orthodoxy (and those who will bring it down) are neither Americans nor conservatives. They are Europeans and Israelis.

humbolt · Dec 18, 2017

Glen Contrarian said:
AGAIN

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As I pointed out sarcastically above, y'all's position is this: "all the nations of the world except for America, and the overwhelming majority of the world's scientists (and almost all of the world's climate scientists) are ALL WRONG...because it's only American conservatives who are right, only American conservatives who know that there is no global warming, that all the rest of the world and the world's scientists are all part of a VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY to destroy democracy and bring about a socialist paradise!!!! ONLY the American conservatives know better, 'cause they know more about climate science than ANY climate scientists!"

Yep! ONLY the American conservatives know the truth and have immunized themselves against the conspiratorial efforts of the overwhelming majority of scientists worldwide...'cause you know those scientists - they're all cowards 'cause they never think for themselves, they're only out after the next guv'mint contract (even when the guv'mint's run by a guy who claims global warming is a Chinese myth)...the only scientists with real courage and spine are those vanishingly few who stand with Big Oil and American conservatives and claim that (1) the world's not getting warmer, or (2) the world's getting warmer, but it's not because of humans, or (3) Trump's right that it's all just a Chinese hoax, or (4) it's a grand global conspiracy to promote socialism, or (5) no scientists know anything, that they're just guessing, or (6) the world's getting warmer 'cause the sun is getting hotter, or (7) the world's actually getting colder - see the snowball the congressman was holding? - or, (8) it's all groupthink on the part of the scientists, or (9) humanity has a very small effect on the climate, that it must be something else, or...wait, did I forget any?

In other words, to be a True American Conservative, you have the Great American Freedom to think anything you want about the climate...except that the ONLY possibly that must never, ever, EVER be considered is that the CO2 and other greenhouse gases produced by hundreds of millions of cars (and hundreds of thousands of factories, tens of thousands of ships, and untold hundreds of thousands of other vehicles) just might be driving the global warming that the overwhelming majority of the world's scientists are warning us about.

Once was more than sufficient, and stating it twice won't make it correct. I think it's time to put the old Dogmatic in the garage for the night.

Glen Contrarian · Dec 18, 2017

Jack Hays said:
The leading opponents of AGW orthodoxy (and those who will bring it down) are neither Americans nor conservatives. They are Europeans and Israelis.

Riiiiiiight. Which is why Israel and every nation in Europe ALL agree with the Paris Accords and are striving to address global warming, and these national stances are strongly supported and approved by their respective national science foundations, hm?

Heinlein once said (in so many words) that if one man says something and a million people say something else, the numbers of people involved do not guarantee that one side or the other is right. The corollary, of course, is that the one person - if he's actually right - had better be able to bring an astounding level of evidence to prove his claim. Me, I'll stick with the overwhelming majority...especially given that I've watched the climate warming with my own eyes over the years. You, on the other hand, probably didn't notice...especially given that you also claimed that the Great Recession didn't occur because it didn't affect anywhere that you personally saw.

Jack Hays · Dec 18, 2017

Glen Contrarian said:
Riiiiiiight. Which is why Israel and every nation in Europe ALL agree with the Paris Accords and are striving to address global warming, and these national stances are strongly supported and approved by their respective national science foundations, hm?

Heinlein once said (in so many words) that if one man says something and a million people say something else, the numbers of people involved do not guarantee that one side or the other is right. The corollary, of course, is that the one person - if he's actually right - had better be able to bring an astounding level of evidence to prove his claim. Me, I'll stick with the overwhelming majority...especially given that I've watched the climate warming with my own eyes over the years. You, on the other hand, probably didn't notice...especially given that you also claimed that the Great Recession didn't occur because it didn't affect anywhere that you personally saw.

[h=1]"If I were wrong, one would have been enough." --Albert Einstein[/h]The link I already provided makes the case quite well.

Glen Contrarian · Dec 18, 2017

Jack Hays said:
[h=1]"If I were wrong, one would have been enough." --Albert Einstein[/h]The link I already provided makes the case quite well.

Of course it does...if one is determined to ignore not only the rest of the world's scientific community but also one's eyes.

There's another group that I pay a lot of attention to: the insurance corporations. They're all about the money, and they see for themselves what's happening...which is why they're considering pulling out of several markets. They would be one of the best indicators as to whether global warming is a hoax - if it were fake, they would react accordingly...whereas if it is real, they will also act accordingly...because either choice has a concrete effect on their bottom line.

Jack Hays · Dec 18, 2017

Glen Contrarian said:
Of course it does...if one is determined to ignore not only the rest of the world's scientific community but also one's eyes.

There's another group that I pay a lot of attention to: the insurance corporations. They're all about the money, and they see for themselves what's happening...which is why they're considering pulling out of several markets. They would be one of the best indicators as to whether global warming is a hoax - if it were fake, they would react accordingly...whereas if it is real, they will also act accordingly...because either choice has a concrete effect on their bottom line.

Sorry, but I'm not the one doing the ignoring.
As for the insurance companies, there's nothing remarkable about their reluctance to underwrite stupid construction decisions.

Russell797 · Dec 19, 2017

Jack Hays said:
[h=1]"If I were wrong, one would have been enough." --Albert Einstein[/h]The link I already provided makes the case quite well.

Except that you can't site even one. The 'one' Einstein is referring to is convincing evidence which FORCES a change in thinking..

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