The RESURRECTION of the DEAD

[tosca1]

Yes, when Jesus was raised from the dead, he was seen for witnesses, yet Christ ascended to the Father and what happened there?

Jesus was given the promise of the HS and was glorified?......what does that mean?


Paul teaches of it much through his writings, namely "Christ in you, the hope of glory". As the Father was "in" Christ, Christ comes to be "in" us and as the Father and Christ were "one", we are now 'one' with them. This is the promise forward to us in the future in the resurrection.

All will be raised to be judged.....will be in the same way Jesus was during his time between being raised to ascending. Some will receive the "promises", others will not, but be cast into what is called "the Lake of Fire", where their destruction is eternal. While the others covered by Christ's blood sacrifice will go on to receive the promise of the HS and be glorified. A Life infinite times better than this mortal life we experience today.

Jesus gave the promise of the Holy Spirit to His followers.


John 14

Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit​

15 “If you love me, keep my commands.
16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—
17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.
18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live.
20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.

 

[ElChupacabra]

You, don't know.
I DO.

You don't. What you know is based on second hand information derived from the Bible which you choose to accept as fact, but is not because there is no evidence of it thus far.

I know for a fact ...................that physical death, is not the end for me and my brothers and sisters.
I'm sure, many of my siblings have the same confidence.

Same as the point above, and applies to all of those who choose to place their faith in which ever version of this their respective religions have.

Through Christ - we'll die, TO RISE UP TRANSFORMED - TO LIVE ETERNALLY!
We'll overcome death the same way He did.


And that's not just based on blind faith, either!

It actually is based on blind faith based on the explanation I provided in my first comment. To be clear, I am not saying you shouldn't believe it, only that it is a chosen belief.

So you see...............we're not on the same boat here.

We are not, and that's perfectly fine.

Read the whole OP here:

T

Thread 'THE EVIDENCES FOR GOD'

Jun 8, 2023

Contrary to what some keep insisting, that there is no evidence.............................. there are actually many evidences for GOD.
And all these evidences corroborate with one another - strengthening what is already partly established - to form a powerful presentation of an undeniable evidence for God.



Let's all be reminded too, that science has not ruled out GOD.
In fact, science acknowledges RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE.


The National Academy of Sciences also says

Science is not the only way of acquiring knowledge about...

• tosca1
• Replies: 844
• Forum: Beliefs and Skepticism

• 

I'll give it a look, but much of the debate over whether there is a god(s) or not is still in the theoretical phase.

I'm saying.............death shouldn't have to be the end for you, either.

Why not?

Don't mistake that as me, trying to convince you.
I'm just explaining where I'm coming from.

Totally fair and understood.

 

[redbeer]

Jesus GAVE THE PROMISE of the Holy Spirit to His followers.

(Act 2:22) Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
(Act 2:23) Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
(Act 2:24) Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
(Act 2:25) For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
(Act 2:26) Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
(Act 2:27) Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
(Act 2:28) Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
(Act 2:29) Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
(Act 2:30) Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
(Act 2:31) He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
(Act 2:32) This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
(Act 2:33) Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.


Jesus, upon ascending sitting by the right hand of God exalted, received "what"? from the Father?......

The promise of the Holy Ghost, Holy Spirit......he was glorified, a man approved of God was there on the Day of Pentecost, as Peter testifies.

 

[tosca1]

You don't. What you know is based on second hand information derived from the Bible which you choose to accept as fact, but is not because there is no evidence of it thus far.


Same as the point above, and applies to all of those who choose to place their faith in which ever version of this their respective religions have.

Now, now, now - hold on a sec there.
You can't say, I don't know.

First of all - I WAS THE ONE WHO'D HAD MY OWN EXPERIENCES WITH GOD.
You weren't even anywhere near me!

Second, you can't "judge" what you know nothing about - my own experiences! Let alone, the other reasons given in the OP for the basis of Christian belief.

Thousands of Christians have their own testimonies too. Many of them were FORMER ATHEISTS, who became believers because of their encounter with GOD.

It actually is based on blind faith based on the explanation I provided in my first comment. To be clear, I am not saying you shouldn't believe it, only that it is a chosen belief.



We are not, and that's perfectly fine.



I'll give it a look, but much of the debate over whether there is a god(s) or not is still in the theoretical phase.

Actually - you'd be the one who relies on blind faith UNLESS you can give me a credible basis for your atheism!
If science hasn't ruled out creation by GOD - tell me what makes you sure He isn't real?

You better read the OP I gave you....because your response definitely shows you haven't read them.
Your response is quite............off-key."

 

[ElChupacabra]

Now, now, now - hold on a sec there.
You can't say, I don't know.

I can based on human knowledge on the topic, and we have not had any scientific evidence of the kind of resurrection you're describing or evidence of there being life after death. So how do you know this to be true?

First of all - I WAS THE ONE WHO'D HAD MY OWN EXPERIENCES WITH GOD.
You weren't even anywhere near me!

Ok, if we want to parse this out anecdotally, then people around the world of different faiths have had all sorts of experiences and each tend to be particular to their faiths. It's hard to parse out whether these are actual experiences with the divine or some other kind of event. Those who aren't of faith describe them differently, so while there may certainly be something going on, it seems to be specific to the individual.

Second, you can't "judge" what you know nothing about - my own experiences! Let alone, the other reasons given in the OP for the basis of Christian belief.

I never did. What I've been commenting on is the certainty of your knowledge about life after death.

Thousands of Christians have their own testimonies too. Many of them were FORMER ATHEISTS, who became believers because of their encounter with GOD.

Cool. People of different faiths have them as well. The question is what are these actual experiences versus just assuming they are encounters with god(s).

Actually - you'd be the one who relies on blind faith UNLESS you can give me a credible basis for your atheism!
If science hasn't ruled out creation by GOD - tell me what makes you sure He isn't real?

I'm not an atheist either, so it's not my position to speak from that position. I am simply someone who has no need for religious belief and has not experienced anything that makes belief in deities as a prerequisite to lead a good life. I don't know if there's a god or not anymore than I don't know a lot of life's mysteries, but I don't feel a need to know either since it has little bearing on my life.

As for why I don't think deities are real, is the basic lack of evidence this kind of intelligence actually exists. What we do know is human beings do have a yearning to explain the many things they don't understand, and ancient peoples attributed those mysteries to a wide range of deities and religions that have now become mythologies. I find modern religions to be an extension of that need, but modified to reflect our current insecurities about our existence.

You better read the OP I gave you....because your response definitely shows you haven't read them.
Your response is quite............off-key."

it will always be off-key to you, and that's ok. I am not here to convince you not to believe.

 

[tosca1]

I can based on human knowledge on the topic,

You can't! Gimme a break!
You haven't even read the WHOLE OP.

What you have are....................SPECULATIONS!

And your speculations are faulty. Not to mention..............illogical.



Furthermore.......

You're not on the same footing with me, as far as evidence of belief is concerned.
You got nothing to support yours!


I, on the other hand - have a solid basis. LOGIC, definitely applies!

Aside from THE FACT that science has not ruled out creation by GOD - which refers to the Abrahamic GOD since the compatibility of the theory of evolution is placed along the creation narrative in Genesis,
these are the other FACTUAL basis for belief in the Abrahamic GOD.




THE BIBLE (information only the CREATOR would know - written descriptions of creation that were later reaffirmed by modern science)


COMPLEXITY and ORDER of the cosmos and biology - which of course, points to DESIGN
FINE-TUNING (universe, earth and earth's life) - which of course, points to DESIGN.


ORIGIN OF THE UNIVERSE
ORIGIN OF LIFE


RARE EARTH - earth being unique.
HUMAN EXCEPTIONALISM - distinct apart from others in possessing the capacity for symbolic recognition, for complex language, art, and music, for technological advancement, and for spiritual and philosophical engagement.


LAWS OF MATHEMATICS
HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS - no physical presence yet mysteriously guides the physical actions of our bodies.


PERSONAL EXPERIENCES OF GOD


LOGIC and PHILOSOPHICAL

DAY-AGE THEORY - the fact that many scientists can see the creation narrative as compatible with scientific findings.

T

Thread 'THE EVIDENCES FOR GOD'

Jun 8, 2023

Contrary to what some keep insisting, that there is no evidence.............................. there are actually many evidences for GOD.
And all these evidences corroborate with one another - strengthening what is already partly established - to form a powerful presentation of an undeniable evidence for God.



Let's all be reminded too, that science has not ruled out GOD.
In fact, science acknowledges RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE.


The National Academy of Sciences also says

Science is not the only way of acquiring knowledge about...

• tosca1
• Replies: 844
• Forum: Beliefs and Skepticism

• 

and we have not had any scientific evidence of the kind of resurrection you're describing or evidence of there being life after death. So how do you know this to be true?

See what I mean by you having an illogical speculation?
How can there be an evidence of an event that hasn't happened yet?

Like if the Bible says, the moon will explode in the final days.....................and, you say: show me the scientific evidence for that!




We're not on the same page.
You're missing the point.

Lol - never mind the kind of resurrection I'm talking about!
have you died before?



Here's the logic behind the RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD to happen:


If GOD is real (based on all those factual evidences given above - combined altogether - are solid enough to say the He is)

- and the Bible is HIS WORD (which evidence show it is) -


then, The Resurrection of The Dead would be real.





If you're not reading the evidence I gave you..................what's the point?
I'm not here on this forum to shoot breeze. I'll go to a pub for that.

I'll get back with you when you got something worth responding to.
have a nice day.

 

[tosca1]

I can based on human knowledge on the topic, and we have not had any scientific evidence of the kind of resurrection you're describing or evidence of there being life after death. So how do you know this to be true?


Ok, if we want to parse this out anecdotally, then people around the world of different faiths have had all sorts of experiences and each tend to be particular to their faiths. It's hard to parse out whether these are actual experiences with the divine or some other kind of event. Those who aren't of faith describe them differently, so while there may certainly be something going on, it seems to be specific to the individual.


I never did. What I've been commenting on is the certainty of your knowledge about life after death.


Cool. People of different faiths have them as well. The question is what are these actual experiences versus just assuming they are encounters with god(s).


I'm not an atheist either, so it's not my position to speak from that position. I am simply someone who has no need for religious belief and has not experienced anything that makes belief in deities as a prerequisite to lead a good life. I don't know if there's a god or not anymore than I don't know a lot of life's mysteries, but I don't feel a need to know either since it has little bearing on my life.

As for why I don't think deities are real, is the basic lack of evidence this kind of intelligence actually exists. What we do know is human beings do have a yearning to explain the many things they don't understand, and ancient peoples attributed those mysteries to a wide range of deities and religions that have now become mythologies. I find modern religions to be an extension of that need, but modified to reflect our current insecurities about our existence.


it will always be off-key to you, and that's ok. I am not here to convince you not to believe.

Btw, for Biblical evidence - I speculate that the more advanced technology becomes.................the more they will reveal truth from the Bible.
As you can see from this list - we've been updating along with science findings.




The latest re-cap of evidences given:


Superiority over beasts - #21, #31
Dominion over and stewardship of all creation - #89
Hydrological Cycle - #70
Description of destruction of Sodom consistent with archeological findings - #71
Stretching Universe - #111
The biblical curse on the snake - #133
The human body - #134
Genesis creation narrative in the right order. - #180 (thanks to Patriotic Voter); #182and #183
Springs in the ocean - #288
The universe has a beginning – the Big bang - #342
One land. One ocean. - #349

Pathfinder of The Seas (Matthew Maury) - #527
SPECIES - #621
Where Did The Great Flood Water Go? - #622
WIND and the WATER CYCLE - #622
Ark Specification - #649
Physical Laws are Constant - #671
Singing Stars - #750
Orion and Arcturus - #751

Natural Laws - #944

Infant Earth (Psalm 104) - #947
"It Should never be moved" - FOUNDATIONS (Psalm 104) - #953, #955, #957, #958 (Elora), #962, #967, #991, #999, #1000, #1004, #1008, #1012, #1014
FOUNDATIONS (plural form) Psalm 104 - #982
Invisible Axis - #994


Infant Earth – #1,071
Noah's Flood and Catastrophic Plate Tectonics (videos) - #1,072, 1,073
Dinosaurs In The Bible (video) - #1,075


Theory: Criminal Law, part of Human Nature (made into the image of God) – #1,091

NUTRITION (Fruits and Veggies) - #1,094
Science was created by GOD (had stopped backing atheism and pointing back to God, article) - #1,097
On MANY FLOOD and CREATION stories - #1,100, 1,119, 1,127,

The recesses of the deep (Job 38 and Psalm 107) - #1,238, 1,239


Apollo 8 Genesis Book-reading - #1,247, 1,249, #1,251


When The Morning Stars Sang Together - `#1,252


Traced: Lost Tribe of Israel In Africa - #1,253
Traced: The Ashkenazi Jews - #1,254
Traced: American Indians Linked To Askenazi Jews – 1,255


UPDATE: SPRINGS IN THE OCEAN verses revisited with this latest discovery. 1,283, 1,284

Leviticus 17 - Life in the blood - 1,285
Job 28 (Earth's Mantle) - 1,286
Underwater Mountains - 1,287
Psalm 104 (earth teeming with creatures beyond numbers). 1,289
Why animals are scared of humans. 1,621
Same-sex no genetic cause. 1,688
Job 28 revisited: Earth's Core






#1,690

Thread 'The Bible'

Jan 18, 2022

Can the Bible ( any version ) be used to prove the the Bible to be factual truth? Why, or why not? State your case.

• Logician Man
• Replies: 1,771
• Forum: Beliefs and Skepticism

• 

Cheers!

 

[ElChupacabra]

You can't! Gimme a break!
You haven't even read the WHOLE OP.

What you have are....................SPECULATIONS!

And your speculations are faulty. Not to mention..............illogical.

Sure, but speculations based on empirical evidence which still fails at understanding everything, which is different than assuming one knows everything based on what a tribe of nomads conjured up as the explanation for all that is. There's a massive difference in exploring the unknown and assuming one knows it, which is what religion assumes.

Furthermore.......

You're not on the same footing with me, as far as evidence of belief is concerned.
You got nothing to support yours!

What is my "belief"? Thus far I've stated I do not subscribe to any religious belief system because their explanations of the unknown are not supported with anything except what's contained in their texts. As it relates to the topic at hand, there is no evidence to support the claims of life after death except what they describe in their respective texts which are not evidence,

I, on the other hand - have a solid basis. LOGIC, definitely applies!

Aside from THE FACT that science has not ruled out creation by GOD - which refers to the Abrahamic GOD since the compatibility of the theory of evolution is placed along the creation narrative in Genesis,
these are the other FACTUAL basis for belief in the Abrahamic GOD.

It does not, and since you haven't provided any logic or facts in support of your logic. Science has not ruled out the existence of deities because it is a possibility, while religions do posit the certainty of their specific faiths and what they posit. Given we have various faiths all claiming to be "the truth" there's a conflict there you haven't resolved. Even within the Abrahamic faiths this conflict exists between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

THE BIBLE (information only the CREATOR would know - written descriptions of creation that were later reaffirmed by modern science)


COMPLEXITY and ORDER of the cosmos and biology - which of course, points to DESIGN
FINE-TUNING (universe, earth and earth's life) - which of course, points to DESIGN.


ORIGIN OF THE UNIVERSE
ORIGIN OF LIFE


RARE EARTH - earth being unique.
HUMAN EXCEPTIONALISM - distinct apart from others in possessing the capacity for symbolic recognition, for complex language, art, and music, for technological advancement, and for spiritual and philosophical engagement.


LAWS OF MATHEMATICS
HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS - no physical presence yet mysteriously guides the physical actions of our bodies.


PERSONAL EXPERIENCES OF GOD


LOGIC and PHILOSOPHICAL

DAY-AGE THEORY - the fact that many scientists can see the creation narrative as compatible with scientific findings.

T

Thread 'THE EVIDENCES FOR GOD'

Jun 8, 2023

Contrary to what some keep insisting, that there is no evidence.............................. there are actually many evidences for GOD.
And all these evidences corroborate with one another - strengthening what is already partly established - to form a powerful presentation of an undeniable evidence for God.



Let's all be reminded too, that science has not ruled out GOD.
In fact, science acknowledges RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE.


The National Academy of Sciences also says

Science is not the only way of acquiring knowledge about...

• tosca1
• Replies: 844
• Forum: Beliefs and Skepticism

• 

I'm glad you and others took the time to try and apply science to rationalize your belief in your preferred deity, but the fact remains there is no empirical evidence supporting the existence of the deity you claim exists. People have all sorts of experiences that can be attributed to a wide range of non spiritual explanations.

See what I mean by you having an illogical speculation?
How can there be an evidence of an event that hasn't happened yet?

Like if the Bible says, the moon will explode in the final days.....................and, you say: show me the scientific evidence for that!

That's not similar to any argument I've made though.

 

[ElChupacabra]

We're not on the same page.
You're missing the point.

Lol - never mind the kind of resurrection I'm talking about!
have you died before?

No, I've been born but not died yet. Perhaps if I try hard enough I can remember a past life.

Here's the logic behind the RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD to happen:


If GOD is real (based on all those factual evidences given above - combined altogether - are solid enough to say the He is)

- and the Bible is HIS WORD (which evidence show it is) -


then, The Resurrection of The Dead would be real.

Wow. That's some interesting "logic" there. From an Abrahamic religion perspective, some will not agree with you that parts the Bible are "his" word given some members don't acknowledge Christ as the Messiah.

If you're not reading the evidence I gave you..................what's the point?
I'm not here on this forum to shoot breeze. I'll go to a pub for that.

I'll get back with you when you got something worth responding to.
have a nice day.

Religious folks never disappoint with the flouncing. No bother getting back to me at all, you've shown me all I need to see.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Btw, for Biblical evidence - I speculate that the more advanced technology becomes.................the more they will reveal truth from the Bible.
As you can see from this list - we've been updating along with science findings.




The latest re-cap of evidences given:


Superiority over beasts - #21, #31
Dominion over and stewardship of all creation - #89
Hydrological Cycle - #70
Description of destruction of Sodom consistent with archeological findings - #71
Stretching Universe - #111
The biblical curse on the snake - #133
The human body - #134
Genesis creation narrative in the right order. - #180 (thanks to Patriotic Voter); #182and #183
Springs in the ocean - #288
The universe has a beginning – the Big bang - #342
One land. One ocean. - #349

Pathfinder of The Seas (Matthew Maury) - #527
SPECIES - #621
Where Did The Great Flood Water Go? - #622
WIND and the WATER CYCLE - #622
Ark Specification - #649
Physical Laws are Constant - #671
Singing Stars - #750
Orion and Arcturus - #751

Natural Laws - #944

Infant Earth (Psalm 104) - #947
"It Should never be moved" - FOUNDATIONS (Psalm 104) - #953, #955, #957, #958 (Elora), #962, #967, #991, #999, #1000, #1004, #1008, #1012, #1014
FOUNDATIONS (plural form) Psalm 104 - #982
Invisible Axis - #994


Infant Earth – #1,071
Noah's Flood and Catastrophic Plate Tectonics (videos) - #1,072, 1,073
Dinosaurs In The Bible (video) - #1,075


Theory: Criminal Law, part of Human Nature (made into the image of God) – #1,091

NUTRITION (Fruits and Veggies) - #1,094
Science was created by GOD (had stopped backing atheism and pointing back to God, article) - #1,097
On MANY FLOOD and CREATION stories - #1,100, 1,119, 1,127,

The recesses of the deep (Job 38 and Psalm 107) - #1,238, 1,239


Apollo 8 Genesis Book-reading - #1,247, 1,249, #1,251


When The Morning Stars Sang Together - `#1,252


Traced: Lost Tribe of Israel In Africa - #1,253
Traced: The Ashkenazi Jews - #1,254
Traced: American Indians Linked To Askenazi Jews – 1,255


UPDATE: SPRINGS IN THE OCEAN verses revisited with this latest discovery. 1,283, 1,284

Leviticus 17 - Life in the blood - 1,285
Job 28 (Earth's Mantle) - 1,286
Underwater Mountains - 1,287
Psalm 104 (earth teeming with creatures beyond numbers). 1,289
Why animals are scared of humans. 1,621
Same-sex no genetic cause. 1,688
Job 28 revisited: Earth's Core






#1,690

Thread 'The Bible'

Jan 18, 2022

Can the Bible ( any version ) be used to prove the the Bible to be factual truth? Why, or why not? State your case.

• Logician Man
• Replies: 1,771
• Forum: Beliefs and Skepticism

• 

Cheers!

You try so hard, yet fail so badly. That the Bible may refer to some historical events does not mean everything in it is accurate as it relates to the supernatural aspects of it.

 

[Daisy]

What happens when you die? Do you go straight to heaven or hell—or does the Bible teach something totally different? The earliest Christians believed in the resurrection of the dead; however, over time, Greek philosophy influenced the church’s teachings. In this video, Pastor Lex Meyer traces the history of how the church’s teaching changed concerning life after death.

 

[tosca1]

What happens when you die? Do you go straight to heaven or hell—or does the Bible teach something totally different? The earliest Christians believed in the resurrection of the dead; however, over time, Greek philosophy influenced the church’s teachings. In this video, Pastor Lex Meyer traces the history of how the church’s teaching changed concerning life after death.

Introduction:

What happens when you die?
Most Christians think their soul goes to heaven.
But what if I told you the early Christians taught differently?



Answer:

That would depend on which early Christians you mean.
There were heretics too, among the early Christians.




When we die, the spirit goes back to GOD.
That doesn't mean God wouldn't have a place for souls to await the Resurrection of The Dead.



Jesus said it.

Luke 23:43 And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

Luke 23:46
Then Jesus, calling out with a loud voice, said, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last.


Stephen said it:

Acts 7
59 While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”


Solomon explained it:

Ecclesiastes 12
and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

 

[Michael Cole]

Introduction:

What happens when you die?
Most Christians think their soul goes to heaven.
But what if I told you the early Christians taught differently?



Answer:

That would depend on which early Christians you mean.
There were heretics too, among the early Christians.

When we die, the spirit goes back to GOD.
That doesn't mean God wouldn't have a place for souls to await the Resurrection of The Dead.

"A place" indicates space and time. What kind of space and time exist in the spiritual world? Seems totally contradictory.

Jesus said it.

Luke 23:43 And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

Luke 23:46
Then Jesus, calling out with a loud voice, said, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last.


Stephen said it:

Acts 7
59 While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”


Solomon explained it:

Ecclesiastes 12
and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

 

[tosca1]

"A place" indicates space and time. What kind of space and time exist in the spiritual world?

GOD's time and place.

You think the spiritual world couldn't have time and space................that's meant for the spiritual world?


If time and space were created by GOD - you think He can't have His own if He wanted to?

What do you think paradise, heaven, and hell are?
Aren't they places?


Furthermore..........

You think you know everything about time and space?
Hahaha - science doesn't understand it fully...................and you do?

Seems totally contradictory.

It's not.

 

[tosca1]

What happens when you die? Do you go straight to heaven or hell—or does the Bible teach something totally different? The earliest Christians believed in the resurrection of the dead; however, over time, Greek philosophy influenced the church’s teachings. In this video, Pastor Lex Meyer traces the history of how the church’s teaching changed concerning life after death.

Continuation:



And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life.
And man became a living soul.

Notice we don't have a soul. We are a soul.


Let's read that red part again.




Answer:

NOTICE...........man started out as a form made from dust. It didn't have a soul. It was not alive.
God breathed into His nostrils the breath of life.
Only then, did man become a living soul.

God's breath, which had made man to come alive............is what's going to return to GOD.






The word formed is a translation of the Hebrew yatsar, which means “to mold, shape, or form.” It conjures an image of a potter who has the intelligence and the power to form his creation.
God is the Master Potter who had the image of man within His mind and who possesses the power and the intelligence to bring that image to life.
God had both the omniscience (all-knowledge) and the omnipotence (all-power) to do exactly what He wanted.

Second, God breathed His own breath of life into man. Man is more than “dust” or physical substance. Man has a spirit. We can picture it this way: Adam’s body had just been formed by God from the dust of the earth—
a lifeless human body lying on the ground. Then God leaned over and “breathed” His own “breath of life” into the man’s nostrils; God is the Source of life, and He directly placed life within man.
This breath of life is seen again in John 20:22, as Jesus imparts new life to His disciples.


Third, Genesis 2:7 tells us that man became a living soul (KJV). The word soul in Hebrew is nephesh, meaning “an animated, breathing, conscious, and living being.”
Man did not become a living soul until God breathed life into him. As a physical, animate, rational, and spiritual being, man is unique among all living things upon the earth.

So, what is the breath of God? It is the life and power of God, given to man to animate him. The Hebrew word for spirit is ruach, which means “wind, breath, air, spirit.”
The life of God lives on and on; the immaterial part of man was designed to live eternally. The only question is where will we live?

What is the breath of life? | GotQuestions.org

What is the breath of life? What does it mean that God gave humanity the breath of life?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[Michael Cole]

GOD's time and place.

You think the spiritual world couldn't have time and space................that's meant for the spiritual world?


If time and space were created by GOD - you think He can't have His own if He wanted to?

What do you think paradise, heaven, and hell are?
Aren't they places?

No, time and space are material. How can there be material existence in the spiritual world?

Furthermore..........

You think you know everything about time and space?
Hahaha - science doesn't understand it fully...................and you do?







It's not.

 

[tosca1]

What happens when you die? Do you go straight to heaven or hell—or does the Bible teach something totally different? The earliest Christians believed in the resurrection of the dead; however, over time, Greek philosophy influenced the church’s teachings. In this video, Pastor Lex Meyer traces the history of how the church’s teaching changed concerning life after death.

We've already explained this so many times before................but anyway, since I've got time right now, let's do it again.


God gave them clear instructions about what they are allowed to eat. These instructions came with a warning about what would happen if they disobeyed.
the Lord God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden, you may freely eat, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat.
For in the day that you eat of it, you shall surely die." Death was the consequence of sin.
God said, "If you eat from the forbidden tree, you will die."

Now listen to the lie the serpent told. Then the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die."



answer:

The serpent lied indeed when it said "if you eat from the forbidden tree, you will not surely die".........for we know the consequence afterwards after Adam and Eve had eaten from the forbidden tree.
They spiritually died.

God was not referring to physical death as Adam and Eve continued to live long afterwards, and even had many children!
GOD was talking about the SECOND DEATH.



The same deceptive message the devil used on Eve, is now being used today by the devil - through false teachings:

If you are not saved, you shall not surely die the second death..............because, there is no hell.


It is a false reassurance to those who reject Christ, that there won't be any reckoning.




The second death is mentioned on multiple occasions in the book of Revelation and is synonymous with the lake of fire.
It is a “death” in that it is a separation from God, the Giver of life.

It is called the “second” one because it follows physical death.


Revelation 21:8 explains the second death in the most detail: “The cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—
they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Three other places in Revelation also mention the second death.
The first is Revelation 2:11: “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who conquers will not be hurt by the second death” (ESV).
In this verse, Jesus promises that believers will not experience the lake of fire (cf. 1 John 5:4).

The second death is exclusively for those who have rejected Christ. It is not a place believers in Christ should fear.

In summary, the second death is a reference to the lake of fire, where those who are separated from God by their sin will dwell for eternity.
This judgment is recorded in Scripture as a warning to unbelievers to seek the salvation that Jesus Christ provides.
The coming judgment should also challenge believers to share their faith. There is a vast difference between the final destination of those who know Christ and those who do not.

What is the second death? | GotQuestions.org

What is the second death? What does the Book of Revelation mean when it refers to the second death?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[redbeer]

We've already explained this so many times before................but anyway, since I've got time right now, let's do it again.


God gave them clear instructions about what they are allowed to eat. These instructions came with a warning about what would happen if they disobeyed.
the Lord God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden, you may freely eat, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat.
For in the day that you eat of it, you shall surely die." Death was the consequence of sin.
God said, "If you eat from the forbidden tree, you will die."

Now listen to the lie the serpent told. Then the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die."



answer:

The serpent lied indeed when it said "if you eat from the forbidden tree, you will not surely die".........for we know the consequence afterwards after Adam and Eve had eaten from the forbidden tree.
They spiritually died.

God was not referring to physical death as Adam and Eve continued to live long afterwards, and even had many children!
GOD was talking about the SECOND DEATH.



The same deceptive message the devil used on Eve, is now being used today by the devil - through false teachings:

If you are not saved, you shall not surely die the second death..............because, there is no hell.


It is a false reassurance to those who reject Christ, that there won't be any reckoning.




The second death is mentioned on multiple occasions in the book of Revelation and is synonymous with the lake of fire.
It is a “death” in that it is a separation from God, the Giver of life.

It is called the “second” one because it follows physical death.


Revelation 21:8 explains the second death in the most detail: “The cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—
they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Three other places in Revelation also mention the second death.
The first is Revelation 2:11: “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who conquers will not be hurt by the second death” (ESV).
In this verse, Jesus promises that believers will not experience the lake of fire (cf. 1 John 5:4).

The second death is exclusively for those who have rejected Christ. It is not a place believers in Christ should fear.

In summary, the second death is a reference to the lake of fire, where those who are separated from God by their sin will dwell for eternity.
This judgment is recorded in Scripture as a warning to unbelievers to seek the salvation that Jesus Christ provides.
The coming judgment should also challenge believers to share their faith. There is a vast difference between the final destination of those who know Christ and those who do not.

What is the second death? | GotQuestions.org

What is the second death? What does the Book of Revelation mean when it refers to the second death?

www.gotquestions.org

IOW, according to you, the wages of sin is eternal life separated from God.......unbiblical mumbo jumbo and untrue.

 

[tosca1]

IOW, according to you, the wages of sin is eternal life separated from God.......unbiblical mumbo jumbo and untrue.

If you accepted Christ as your Saviour - there isn't anymore wages of sin to pay for. Duh!
He already paid for it!
IN FULL!


That's the whole point of the Gospel!


IOW......









It's those who reject Christ who qualifies for the wages of sin - which is the second death!


Don't you even understand the gospel?




The irony -

you're the one speaking all the mumbo-jumbo if you're preaching something you don't even understand!

 

[redbeer]

If you accepted Christ as your Saviour - there isn't anymore wages of sin to pay for. Duh!
He already paid for it!
IN FULL!


That's the whole point of the Gospel!


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It's those who reject Christ who qualifies for the wages of sin - which is the second death!


Don't you even understand the gospel?




The irony -

you're the one speaking all the mumbo-jumbo if you're preaching something you don't even understand!

Scream all you want.....I understand perfectly, for the wages of sin is death NOT life. Twisting it to mean something else fools many, but not all. The lie of "you shall not surely die" is alive and well within Christianity today.

The doctrines of an immortal soul, the trinity, and a literal Dante hellfire has ruined the original message of Christ and is in fact 'another gospel' foretold to come and bingo, it's here alive and well. Man is not an eternal being, God literally is only One as testified by Jesus, and God is not so small to create a place where He tortures weak, faulty creatures in which He made for an eternity......it's all false!!!

 

[tosca1]

Scream all you want.....I understand perfectly, for the wages of sin is death NOT life. Twisting it to mean something else fools many, but not all. The lie of "you shall not surely die" is alive and well within Christianity today.

The doctrines of an immortal soul, the trinity, and a literal Dante hellfire has ruined the original message of Christ and is in fact 'another gospel' foretold to come and bingo, it's here alive and well. Man is not an eternal being, God literally is only One as testified by Jesus, and God is not so small to create a place where He tortures weak, faulty creatures in which He made for an eternity......it's all false!!!

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[Daisy]

There were heretics too, among the early Christians.

There are heretics today that still listen/side with Satan in believing the lie, "you will not die"...like you do...

 

[tosca1]

There are heretics today that still listen/side with Satan in believing the lie, "you will not die"...like you do...

The Bible speaks the Truth.
The Bible is THE ONLY AUTHORITATIVE source given to us by GOD.
Jesus taught from it.




I uphold what's stated in the Bible.
I uphold what Jesus had taught.

You uphold JW teachings.