stop lying. Payroll taxes are not included as Federal Income taxes. Your rants about Limbaugh are just plain pavlovian nonsense.
[h=1]Federal Insurance Contributions Act tax[/h]From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(United_States)[SUP][2][/SUP] —federal programs that provide benefits for retirees, the disabled, and children of deceased workers. Social Security benefits include old-age, survivors, and disability insurance (OASDI); Medicare provides hospital insurance benefits for the elderly. The amount that one pays in payroll taxes throughout one's working career is associated indirectly with the social security benefits annuity that one receives as a retiree.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] This has caused some to claim that the payroll tax is not a tax because its collection is tied to a benefit.[SUP][3][/SUP]
Uh, no. Any monies taken from an individual involuntarily by his/her govt. based on his income is an income tax. The fact that those monies are redistributed, or that the govt. claims it will be (which no sensible person would trust) is irrelevant.
Furthermore, any claim on the equitability of the federal tax system (i. e. the notion that the upper 5% pay the most taxes) would only be credible if it were based on the total federal tax burden incurred by everyone, NOT just a portion of that tax.
Claiming that the upper 5% pays the most taxes by excluding that portion of the tax bill incurred mostly by the lower 95% is therefore meaningless, i. e. something rush limbaugh would say.
HINT.
Perhaps you should look at this before you consider the tpers to be anything but nonsense. . .
Tea Party loses a top voice with Bachmann departure
[h=3]Poll Finds Tea Party Backers Wealthier and More Educated ...
Yep, we've seen their 1st grade education. . .
Tea Party Nation Suggests Obama Is a 'Muslim Radical' | Right Wing Watch
Now, see? I know you have a problem understanding what you read when you get past the headline, but you really should take the time to read that article.
Nowhere has Tea Party Nation suggested that Obama is a Muslim Radical.
Oh look, it's a constitutionalist who hasn't read the constitution.
Fundamentally, Tea Party wants reduced government size, scope and power...and that's pretty much it. Oh, for sure, there are isolated people from the Tea Party who spout off with ultra-right nonsense, but they don't have any real power or influence with the rest of them.
Now, you...with all your drivel about supply-side economics and racism...well, let's just say that I see you as someone spouting off with ultra-left nonsense.
Perhaps this link will help you understand them. Tea Party Movement Platform I don't see anything in there about supply-side economics or racism.
LOL - you "see where this is going" so you don't answer the question.I see where this is going, so why don't you address the point.....
...and no one has raised it to higher levels than Obama.No one has done more to raise the debt to GDP ratio, than Reagan and the Bush's.
Funny, I never heard Obama complaining about "the hand he was dealt." Frankly, what he needs is people apologizing for the crappy way he's been playing his hand since.Prior to Obama, who was dealt absolute crap and who has contributed 10% to the debt to GDP ratio compared to an increase of 70% between Reagan and the Bush's.
Further evidence of this commingling is now people believe that social security is an area we can reign in, calling it broke, even though it is fully funded 15 years out....
stop lying. Payroll taxes are not included as Federal Income taxes.
For dog sake, number 1 in their platform is all about supplyside economics. It's the idea that the government can reduce taxes and bring in more revenue from taxes. Bush 2 destroyed that notion for good!
Clearly the US is not taxing enough but there are various reasons for that. Tax shelters, backroom deals, exemptions for the wealthy, you name it, it's being used. It's going to bankrupt your government enough so that social programs which are necessary in a modern first wold society are eliminated and that's when the kickback from the ordinary joe begins.
And it's pretty clear that the baggers don't understand who it is that isn't paying enough taxes. Dog knows they think they're paying too much. Your political system has fixed it so the wealthy just aren't paying their fair share anymore. That's the easy part to figure out.
As for racism amongst the baggers, that's been well demonstrated so no amount of denial is going to erase the fact. You're right about there being ultra-righters within the tea baggers. There is just not a will to get shod of them because they can't afford to right now. They need all the fringe support from extremists and racists they can get.
I've seen this all before with Canada's reform party. They refused to clean house and that led to their fracturing and defeat at the polls. The same will happen to the baggers because there is nothing cohesive enough to hold them together after the racist element is defanged with the end of Obama.
This is free advice so ignore it if you like.
that's just plain stupid. the rich have a far higher total tax burden in terms of actual dollars
Your CANADIAN!!!??
LOL!!
Yes, you are right. Thanks for telling me. Now I have TWO reasons to ignore your blather...ultra-left nonsense...coming from a Canadian.
A tax is a tax is a tax is a tax.
Pretending that ones FICA taxes are NOT a tax is the lie. But don't believe me - here is a verifiable source for the evidence
Federal Insurance Contributions Act tax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
the far right tries to create a dishonest and fraudulent stage on which to discuss the issue of taxation when they attempt to exclude FICA taxes from the discussion. As we all know, the wealthy pay a very tiny portion of their income in FICA tax while average workers pay proportionately hundreds of times more in percentage of income than many millionaires do.
For dog sake, number 1 in their platform is all about supplyside economics. It's the idea that the government can reduce taxes and bring in more revenue from taxes. Bush 2 destroyed that notion for good!
True or false. Do the income tax rates quoted by the IRS include the payroll tax?
2013 Tax Rate Schedules: Marginal Ordinary Income Tax Rates for 2013
Tell us, boy.
This should be fun
What's stupid is your inability to cite the actual numbers to back that up, even though we've :lol:ed at you forever and asked you like 10 times
what relevance does that have? what are payroll "taxes" SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR
Please explain how the govt's claims about what tax monies are used for (which are frequently false) makes those monies not be a tax.
This should be more fun :lmao:
Please explain why you have continually danced around the fact that the top 5% pay more than half of the Federal Income Tax
Because every single time anyone has asked you to cite the evidence for it, you crawl back under your shell.
True enough, ultra left nonsense for many Americans but right in the middle for the rest of the world. Remember pal, it's your country that is falling apart and failing, not Canada. Maybe there's a good reason why? Ya think? Or are the left and the right on this forum making up all the problems we are hearing about?
True or false. Do the income tax rates quoted by the IRS include the payroll tax?
2013 Tax Rate Schedules: Marginal Ordinary Income Tax Rates for 2013
Tell us, boy.
This should be fun
NOpe, I assume people who feel they are up to arguing with me are aware of obvious facts.
We know the facts, UP TO and including the fact that the data provided on the chart DOES NOT reflect the total federal income tax collected because the tax rates for the various income levels DO NOT MATCH the actual rates the IRS quotes for the various tax levels in 2009. . .
2009 Tax Rate Schedules: Marginal Ordinary Income Tax Rates for 2009
You see, the above tax rates are what are actually PAID by people at the various income levels to the federal govt.
as opposed to the chart you provided, which excludes the payroll taxes, i. e. doesn't quote all the tax paid, which explains how the top 25% can, say, have a 14% tax rate--as quoted in your chart--as opposed to the full tax rate (which woulod be around 25-30%)--quoted by the IRS table above.
I actually have the chart that shows how much of the total federal tax is paid by everyone based on the IRS quoted rates, rates that take into account the TOTAL UNREFUNDED FEDERAL INCOME TAX PAID (which includes all payroll taxes) BY APRIL 15 by various earning segments.
But you're entertaining us :lol:, so we're going to give you another chance to cite THAT chart, which shouldn't be that hard to find.
Still, this is a significant improvement for you, considering it's the first time we've seen you cite anything at all.
Your link doesn't say anything specifically about the rate table including payroll taxes (please point it out if I missed it) but I went to the source and found this:
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p505.pdf
Note that the tables are taken from this document starting on page 20. Also at you leisure review page 19 as it is the worksheet that reveals the number to use in column (a). After reviewing 'Worksheet 1-5' (on page 19) please come back and state were specifically payroll taxes are to be used in the calculation...(remember this is the basis of your link)...this SHOULD be fun!
we'll be waiting...:coffeepap
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