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A look at the real 9/11, of 9/11/44, where the Royal Air Force carried out the premeditated mass murder of 12,300 German civilians (60,000+ homeless) at Darmstadt. Darmstadt was of no industrial importance and chosen because the wooden houses made easy targets and were more flammable. An act of extreme savagery indeed.
Darmstadt had a few industrial targets of note, a Merck chemical factory being one of them.
A look at the real 9/11, of 9/11/44, where the Royal Air Force carried out the premeditated mass murder of 12,300 German civilians (60,000+ homeless) at Darmstadt. Darmstadt was of no industrial importance and chosen because the wooden houses made easy targets and were more flammable. An act of extreme savagery indeed.
Hitler learned a valuable lesson in the end. Don't start trouble, won't be none. It's too bad that we no longer fight wars to win them. Now we wage sanitized wars with rules of engagement that put our soldiers in unnecessary peril.
At that stage, when Germany was inevitably going to lose the war, Hitler was of the opinion that the German people had been proved to be the weaker nation and should thus be exterminated. Therefore, such militarily senseless raids on civilians were quite consistent with Hitler's thinking, even if they did not amount to an extermination of the German people. Hitler, at that point, would have wanted a lot more raids like that.
The bombs didn't distinguished between nazis and non-nazis.Gosh. One might conclude from your post that you have a real affinity for Nazis.
Why wouldn't he be?Are you similarly outraged by the V-1 and V-2 attacks on Rotterdam and London, where no attempt at all was made to target anything except the city?
Pre-meditated mass murder? Give me a frickin' break. You need to stop reading those nasty websites with the swastikas on the top.
Like Hitler was a Raskolnikov, hahaha.
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Gosh. One might conclude from your post that you have a real affinity for Nazis.
A look at the real 9/11, of 9/11/44, where the Royal Air Force carried out the premeditated mass murder of 12,300 German civilians (60,000+ homeless) at Darmstadt. Darmstadt was of no industrial importance and chosen because the wooden houses made easy targets and were more flammable. An act of extreme savagery indeed.
Of course he does. Many of us refer to him as "our little Goebbels" .
And his avatar is from the movie "The Wall", a symbol much to the chagrin of Pink Floyd themselves has been adopted by modern neo-Nazis as their own.
A great many years ago I had a patch of this. But I threw it out over a decade ago when I found it that skinheads were using it. I did not want anybody thinking my approval of an album and movie meant I supported those assholes.
AN AUTHORITARIAN SOCIALIST OPPOSED TO GLOBALISM, ZIONISM, AND FEMINISM, AND IN FAVOR OF SOVEREIGN NATIONS, A PALESTINIAN STATE, AND MEN'S RIGHTS!
The bombs didn't distinguished between nazis and non-nazis.
Why wouldn't he be?
Your argument would be that area bombing of civilian population centers isn't an act of pre-meditated mass murder?
Not if those civilian population centers were also manufacturing centers for war materials. You do understand that this was a war for national survival, right? Or maybe you don't.
You do understand that population centers were bombed specifically because they were population centers, right?
We are talking about the 1940's you are aware, right?
However, if you get comfort from believing that thousands of American and British aircrews were no better than the SS guards at concentration camps, go for it.
We are talking about the 1940's you are aware, right?
At that time "precision bombing" pretty much meant that your bombs landed in the same county as your target. Even the best bombsight of the era (the Norden) was accurate only to an ideal of "2% of altitude".
That means that a perfect aimed and operated B-29 would have it's bombs drop within 2 kilometers of it's target simply because of issues with accuracy.
And this was the most accurate bombsight of the era!
There was no other way to attack such industrial facilities.
The destruction of German cities, the killing of German workers, and the disruption of civilized community life throughout Germany [is the goal]. ... It should be emphasized that the destruction of houses, public utilities, transport and lives; the creation of a refugee problem on an unprecedented scale; and the breakdown of morale both at home and at the battle fronts by fear of extended and intensified bombing are accepted and intended aims of our bombing policy. They are not by-products of attempts to hit factories.
A note by US air force general Frederick Anderson to his press office notes that such operations were "not expected in itself to shorten the war ... However, it is expected that the fact that Germany was struck all over will be passed on, from father to son, thence to grandson; that a deterrent for the initiation of future wars will definitely result."
So you believe that allied war planners sat down somewhere and decided that the way we would win world war two was to bomb civilians indiscriminately? Sorry, not buying it for a second.
However, if you get comfort from believing that thousands of American and British aircrews were no better than the SS guards at concentration camps, go for it.
This isn't a matter of "buying it" or not "buying it".
It's a matter of historical accuracy.
Did Allied war planners deliberately target German and Japanese civilian populations?
Yes, they did.
Simple.
For the German high command things in the Netherlands didn’t go as planned.
They need to set their forces free of combat with the Dutch was high, the units are desperately needed in the south of the Netherlands to participate in the attack on Belgium and France.
Therefore an ultimatum was given to Dutch on the 14th of May 1940, 2 days behind schedule. Surrender or feel the consequences.
The ninety Heinkel bombers of the Kampfgeschwader 54 (combat group) flew in tight formation on the city of Rotterdam. The attack only lasted 15 minutes but the outcome was devastating.
They dropped 97.000 kilo of bombs right in the city centre of Rotterdam. The city burned like crazy.
Rotterdam lost more than 800 citizens in the attack, 24.000 houses were destroyed, 70 schools, 21 churches, 1200 company buildings, 4 hospitals and more than 80.000 people lost a roof above their heads.
Yet here you are, trying to say that the nations that started such practices are to be forgiven, and the other side should be punished. Amazing, simply amazing.
Oh, and here is a reference, sine I am sure some will call me a liar for general principals
This isn't a matter of "buying it" or not "buying it".
It's a matter of historical accuracy.
Did Allied war planners deliberately target German and Japanese civilian populations?
Yes, they did.
Simple.
If you disagree then you need to go crack a book.
LOL
If you think a comment like this has any place in a serious discussion of history then you have the emotional maturity of a third grader.
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