Libs only get upset when Conservative churches get into politics. They don't seem to mind when liberal churches do it.Churches are prevented, by the Constitution, from getting into politics and making laws that require all people to follow their denomination's religious beliefs. If they do they are taking away (usurping) from government the exclusive power and right to make laws.
I wouldn't want to force religion, mine or any other, on anyone. Why would you even say that?You can probably enforce your religion on others.
But I promise you that I will be the ONLY person who enjoys church on Sunday.
They were indeed counter-arguments that you cannot refute. Were YOUR comments anything but "feelings" or "beliefs" ??? Hardly. Your dodge & deflect loses the debate point ol' Lursa.......That's a lot of "na huh", not debate. Your answers werent counter arguments, they were your beliefs or feelings...where were the arguments supporting them? Pretty sure I can expect the same then.
Libs only get upset when Conservative churches get into politics. They don't seem to mind when liberal churches do it.
They were indeed counter-arguments that you cannot refute.
Were YOUR comments anything but "feelings" or "beliefs" ??? Hardly.
Your dodge & deflect loses the debate point ol' Lursa.......
It doesn't.Libs only get upset when Conservative churches get into politics. They don't seem to mind when liberal churches do it.
BTW, where does the BOR say churches are not allowed to "get into politics"?
Of course you are.It doesn't.
However, if they do, they face the risk of losing their tax exemption.
By all means jump right across that line. I am very much in favor of taxing churches.
They were not my questions and denigration is never truth it's just demeaning.your questions were answered precisely. What you feel is "denigration" is just the truth smacking you in the face, and you cannot handle it. You gave terrible excuses to kill a fetus.
They were not my questions and denigration is never truth it's just demeaning.
If you don't like abortion as a solution to an unplanned and unwanted child then you should be advocating for highly effective long acting reversible contraceptives (LARC) that women control as the solution instead of calling it a solution for dumb women.
75% of all abortions are performed for women who live near at or below the poverty line or they are the breadwinners in their family and have low wage jobs with no health insurance, no paid maternity leave and will lose their job if they take time out for giving birth. In these families the addition of a child or another child will harm the entire already born family. You cannot condemn abortion and refuse to give all women free access to LARCs. Many of the women that get abortions have attended schools where Abstinence Only was the sex-education program and discussion of contraception is not permitted. Additionally they may live in a state where access to contraceptives of any kind is limited because PP clinics have been closed by the state or access to contraceptives is controlled by pharmacists.
You comment that abortion is just killing babies as a solution for dumb women is not true, not realistic, not helpful. Your smart-ass quips about unplanned pregnancies are meant to be hurtful and your lack of recognition that abortion is the only avenue for many women concerned that they cannot give a child or additional child the care that it needs to grow into a whole and contributing adult is pretty callous.
Liberals' churches are not writing law and lobbying Congress to pass said laws. The evangelicals are.Libs only get upset when Conservative churches get into politics. They don't seem to mind when liberal churches do it.
"Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion". and the church tax exemption law.BTW, where does the BOR say churches are not allowed to "get into politics"?
I tend to think the IRS overlooks any religious institution engaging in politics or waives any penalties. Taxing religious institutions, even if said institutions are in violation of tax codes & exemptions, would be seen by many as a government crackdown or suppression on religion. Politicians probably want to avoid such political suicide.It doesn't.
However, if they do, they face the risk of losing their tax exemption.
By all means jump right across that line. I am very much in favor of taxing churches.
Oh, yes. I will be the first pastor of the Church of Malicious Compliance and the Wrath of Baby Jesus.You can probably enforce your religion on others.
But I promise you that I will be the ONLY person who enjoys church on Sunday.
All they have to do is violate their 508(c)(1)(a) status and they become a cash cow, like a miracle happened.Of course you are.
You can quit your job.that's life--------I don't want to see my boss next week, so do i have the right to get rid of him????
In the real world.in a sick world
What's immoral about abortion? Immoral according to whom or what authority?yeah---immoral choice can fix dumb, right...??
I take it cannot refute that.
??? I gave you the answer......good grief, we can't debate if you don't read my responses....You'd know the answer to this if you had actually refuted or debated them
I lead an organization in my state region that is very "pro-life", however we strongly support unwed and single mothers with money and manpower so that they will have hope that they can raise the child, we also have supplied thousands of ultra sound machines so the women can see their baby and hopefully decide not to kill it, especially for such lame reasons as "money" and inconvenience, etc............with the exception of health issues, we do all we can to discourage abortion.They were not my questions and denigration is never truth it's just demeaning.
If you don't like abortion as a solution to an unplanned and unwanted child then you should be advocating for highly effective long acting reversible contraceptives (LARC) that women control as the solution instead of calling it a solution for dumb women.
My organization believes in supporting policies at the state & federal level that would largely solve these issues75% of all abortions are performed for women who live near at or below the poverty line or they are the breadwinners in their family and have low wage jobs with no health insurance, no paid maternity leave and will lose their job if they take time out for giving birth. In these families the addition of a child or another child will harm the entire already born family. You cannot condemn abortion and refuse to give all women free access to LARCs. Many of the women that get abortions have attended schools where Abstinence Only was the sex-education program and discussion of contraception is not permitted. Additionally they may live in a state where access to contraceptives of any kind is limited because PP clinics have been closed by the state or access to contraceptives is controlled by pharmacists.
Killing is the ultimate "callous"........get real.You comment that abortion is just killing babies as a solution for dumb women is not true, not realistic, not helpful. Your smart-ass quips about unplanned pregnancies are meant to be hurtful and your lack of recognition that abortion is the only avenue for many women concerned that they cannot give a child or additional child the care that it needs to grow into a whole and contributing adult is pretty callous.
and you can man-up spare the baby's lifeYou can quit your job.
yours perhapsIn the real world.
any authority.....................when authority does not exist, you have abortion being "okay"What's immoral about abortion? Immoral according to whom or what authority?
I take it cannot refute that.
??? I gave you the answer......good grief, we can't debate if you don't read my responses....
Post 70 makes it clear you didnt "debate", you "snarked" >>>>You repeating yourself doesnt make it true. Perhaps a dictionary would help you define the aspects of debate? It's not just misogynistic statements...they need to be supported by facts, authorities, examples, treatises, examples, etc.
You'd know the answer to this if you had actually refuted or debated them
What am I dodging/deflecting? I'm here trying to get you to directly challenge mine...let's see it.
Yes, you've said before that you run Crisis Pregnancy Centers. Yes, you are very pro-life for fetuses. Yes, we know you use ultra sound in your persuasion techniques forcing your pro-life belief on your clients. Yes, we know you think women who abort because the family is in stress is nothing more than aborting for personal convenience and and the financial stress of poverty is a lame excuse.I lead an organization in my state region that is very "pro-life", however we strongly support unwed and single mothers with money and manpower so that they will have hope that they can raise the child, we also have supplied thousands of ultra sound machines so the women can see their baby and hopefully decide not to kill it, especially for such lame reasons as "money" and inconvenience, etc............with the exception of health issues, we do all we can to discourage abortion.
Sure, the policies you support; banning abortion, supporting abstinence only sex-ed, closing PP clinics, refusing to discuss contraceptives will solve poverty, unplanned, unwanted children, families in stress, lack of health insurance for low wage workers, paid maternity leaveMy organization believes in supporting policies at the state & federal level that would largely solve these issues
Abortion is most certainly not the ultimate callousness. Forcing women that cannot support or care for a child holds that position. Look up the statistics on children born into poverty.Killing is the ultimate "callous"........get real.
That just a callous cheap shot at women.Excuses don't cut it. Easy solutions like killing the baby do not cut it.
wrong---never said that. Makes me wonder what else you are making up..........?Yes, you've said before that you run Crisis Pregnancy Centers.
We support families, and the mothers/families know it.....you are wrong again......Yes, you are very pro-life for fetuses.
no forcing.....and we are proud to be pro-life............who wouldn't be???Yes, we know you use ultra sound in your persuasion techniques forcing your pro-life belief on your clients.
for killing? yesYes, we know you think women who abort because the family is in stress is nothing more than aborting for personal convenience and and the financial stress of poverty is a lame excuse.
wrong againSure, the policies you support; banning abortion, supporting abstinence only sex-ed, closing PP clinics, refusing to discuss contraceptives will solve poverty, unplanned, unwanted children, families in stress, lack of health insurance for low wage workers, paid maternity leave
they can support themAbortion is most certainly not the ultimate callousness. Forcing women that cannot support or care for a child holds that position.
then let's rid ourselves of poverty---------------we help with thatLook up the statistics on children born into poverty.
excuses don't cut it WeaverThat just a callous cheap shot at women.
statement, no debate.wrong---never said that. Makes me wonder what else you are making up..........?
We support families, and the mothers/families know it.....you are wrong again......
no forcing.....and we are proud to be pro-life............who wouldn't be???
for killing? yes
wrong again
they can support them
then let's rid ourselves of poverty---------------we help with that
excuses don't cut it Weaver
That's not my decision to make. It's the pregnant woman's.and you can man-up spare the baby's life
Yes, the real world.yours perhaps
What authority? Be specific!any authority.....................when authority does not exist, you have abortion being "okay"
I made a posting error here. It should have said, I take it you cannot refute that.I take it cannot refute that.
You didn't have to. You described Crisis Pregnancy Centerswrong---never said that. Makes me wonder what else you are making up..........?
You say that so smoothly.We support families, and the mothers/families know it.....you are wrong again......
Right no forcing. Just tell the teens you prey the wrong week of their pregnancy and show them the baby furniture they can earn by attending your religious sessions until it is too late to get a 1st trimester abortion that they could have afforded.no forcing.....and we are proud to be pro-life............who wouldn't be???
By sending a poor teen, unready to be a mother, home with a baby the family can't support. That's the support you are offering?they can support them
I have yet to see it demonstrated..then let's rid ourselves of poverty---------------we help with that
I haven't posted any.excuses don't cut it Weaver
No. The government is prevented, by the Constitution, from forcing people to practice a specific religion. Yo7 have it backwards. And the Pope commenting on the belief that people should respect the right to life is not preventing the government from making laws allowing people to kill people.Churches are prevented, by the Constitution, from getting into politics and making laws that require all people to follow their denomination's religious beliefs. If they do they are taking away (usurping) from government the exclusive power and right to
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