The Pledge Is...BS

[jallman]

Ever been on a reservation? The federal government comes through and gives a few people a new truck every few years, but there isnt enough fuel to run the trucks, there's little access to running water, few jobs, limited access to electricity and schooling.

Yeah, been on a few reservations. I've never seen anything of the sort that you are talking about. Never.

 

[Hoplite]

So a real life experiment in Government run living is a failure? So uhm... two questions come to mind:

1. Why don't the residents of the Reservations stop waiting for the Gov't to take care of them, because isn't painfully obvious they are failing.

Not all the reservations have casinos on them or ones owned by the tribe. The tribe simply doesnt have the funds or the permission to do what needs to be done. Things like infrastructure and education are, per the treaties that established many of the reservations, supposed to be taken care of by the government and thus the tribe does not have permission to establish or maintain these things.

2. Why do people think the Gov't can handle something like healthcare when they cannot handle Indian Reservation Management?

Considering this is TOTALLY irrelevant...

Yeah, been on a few reservations. I've never seen anything of the sort that you are talking about. Never.

I suggest you look a little harder. The situation is improving somewhat because of funding coming from casinos that some tribes are able to build, but the situation is still almost third world for many reservations.

The best overview I can think of without actually taking you to one and introducing you around is this
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[jallman]

I suggest you look a little harder.

I suggest you demonstrate your point with relevant data.

The situation is improving somewhat because of funding coming from casinos that some tribes are able to build, but the situation is still almost third world for many reservations.

Of the four I have been on, never seen anything like what you are describing.

The best overview I can think of without actually taking you to one and introducing you around is this
Hulu - 30 Days: Life on an Indian Reservation - Watch the full episode now.

Cool. I will definitely watch this when I get home. Thanks for the link.

 

[Hoplite]

I suggest you demonstrate your point with relevant data.

Can do
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As a case study, the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation is the eighth largest reservation in the US and also the poorest with almost half of it's residents living below poverty level
Pine Ridge CDP, South Dakota - DP-3. Profile of Selected Economic Characteristics:  2000

South Dakota's Pine Ridge Indian Reservation Has Third World Health Conditions - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

Cheyenne River reservation, no running water
Cheyenne River Indian Reservation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Turtle Mountain, North Dakota
Say Anything The Appalling State Of Our Indian Reservations

Estimated 11% of people on reservations do not have access to running water, that means roughly 85,000 people do not have access to clean or running water. The site also contains various other rather grim statistics.
Indian Housing Fact Sheet

More water info. Some reservations have as much as HALF the population with no access to running water.
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Living Conditions

Now, how someone can claim that we DONT treat Native Americans like crap when they see all this is beyond me.

Of the four I have been on, never seen anything like what you are describing.

As I said, not all are so bad off but MANY of them are.

 

[Khayembii Communique]

The Bellamy Salute at that time wasn't bad or representative of anything Nazi - it was used for a very long time, actually, before the Nazis took it and warped it which is why we had to disconnect ourselves from it.

The overall original purpose of the pledge and the salute was to bring new Americans into the comfort of being an American. Almost like 'be a part of the gang' type of a deal.

Liken it to brainwashing if you like. But I like the pledge and simply wish that the foul part of history (Hitler) didn't abduct our history and turn it into something that seems wretched even though it's not.

The reason that this photo is so significant is that it reveals that the US practices nationalist brainwashing like every state does, including NAZI Germany. It is not meant to be a comparison to NAZI Germany specifically.

 

[Jerry]

Now, how someone can claim that we DONT treat Native Americans like crap when they see all this is beyond me.

It's quite simple: Natives **** where they eat.

They are their own sovereign nation....of sorts...with their own government and police. The reason the reservations are so poor is the same reason many full-fledged 3rd-wold countries are poor: Corruption.

Natives won't let the white Satan control their land, and natives refuse to assimilate into American culture.

We gave their casinos tax-exempt status. We give their tribes grants. Hell we pay each registered member of the tribe $3,500 per month just for breathing. The Lakota 'nation' just won a multi-billion dollar lawsuit against the state of South Dakota because da'whit maan broke lawfully agreed treaties and settled in SD.

IMO the solution is to dissolve the reservations, and anyone who doesn't like it can move to Mexico.

 

[cpwill]

exactly. if we want to list out the sins our people and government have wreacked upon the Native American, surely the original conquest will rate right up there with the welfare-enslavement of their descendents apparently for perpetuity.

 

[Hoplite]

It's quite simple: Natives **** where they eat.

They are their own sovereign nation....of sorts...with their own government and police. The reason the reservations are so poor is the same reason many full-fledged 3rd-wold countries are poor: Corruption.

Natives won't let the white Satan control their land, and natives refuse to assimilate into American culture.

We gave their casinos tax-exempt status. We give their tribes grants. Hell we pay each registered member of the tribe $3,500 per month just for breathing. The Lakota 'nation' just won a multi-billion dollar lawsuit against the state of South Dakota because da'whit maan broke lawfully agreed treaties and settled in SD.

IMO the solution is to dissolve the reservations, and anyone who doesn't like it can move to Mexico.

Ok, racism aside, according to the treaties that formed the reservations the US government voluntarily accepted responsibility for providing basic services for the reservations. Reservation authorities do not have the rights to ground water and to build infrastructure, it's illegal for them to exploit those resources under the terms of the treaty.

 

[Jerry]

Ok, racism aside, according to the treaties that formed the reservations the US government voluntarily accepted responsibility for providing basic services for the reservations. Reservation authorities do not have the rights to ground water and to build infrastructure, it's illegal for them to exploit those resources under the terms of the treaty.

They can build whatever they like, no different than you could if you had the cash...only their own elders ****ed them over.

Now they're socialized from childhood (assuming they survive) to live that way, to blame everyone else for their problems, and rarely ever discover the means or the will to better their lives. It is the Native American's ghetto, and it's not da'white man's doing.

 

[jallman]

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As a case study, the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation is the eighth largest reservation in the US and also the poorest with almost half of it's residents living below poverty level
Pine Ridge CDP, South Dakota - DP-3. Profile of Selected Economic Characteristics: 2000

South Dakota's Pine Ridge Indian Reservation Has Third World Health Conditions - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

Cheyenne River reservation, no running water
Cheyenne River Indian Reservation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Turtle Mountain, North Dakota
Say Anything The Appalling State Of Our Indian Reservations

Estimated 11% of people on reservations do not have access to running water, that means roughly 85,000 people do not have access to clean or running water. The site also contains various other rather grim statistics.
Indian Housing Fact Sheet

More water info. Some reservations have as much as HALF the population with no access to running water.
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Living Conditions

Now, how someone can claim that we DONT treat Native Americans like crap when they see all this is beyond me.

As I said, not all are so bad off but MANY of them are.

Yes, by fault of their own.

 

[Mach]

I'm OK with phasing the pledge out. It's archaic. If we need it back, we'll bring it back in style.