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"In 2006 Citizen Investigation Team launched an independent investigation into the act of terrorism which took place at the Pentagon on September 11, 2001. This exhaustive three-year inquest involved multiple trips to the scene of the crime in Arlington, Virginia, close scrutiny of all official and unofficial data related to the event, and, most importantly, first-person interviews with dozens of eyewitnesses, many of which were conducted and filmed in the exact locations from which they witnessed the plane that allegedly struck the building that day.

"Be forewarned: Our findings are extraordinarily shocking and frightening. They are also deadly serious, and deserving of your immediate attention. This is not about a conspiracy theory or any theory at all. This is about independent, verifiable evidence which unfortunately happens to conclusively establish as a historical fact that the violence which took place in Arlington that day was not the result of a surprise attack by suicide hijackers, but rather a false flag "black operation" involving a carefully planned and skillfully executed deception."

Craig Ranke and Aldo Marquis are this team. They have made several trips Washington to interview many different eyewitnesses, all of whom corroborate each other. That is 15 eyewitnesses from 5 different vantage points, all putting a modern commercial airliner to the north of the Navy Annexe and former Citgo gas station. This means that this aircraft could not have knocked down the light poles on the highway nor caused the physical damage to the Pentagon as it was on a different flight path. This means that something else hit the Pentagon and the authorities are lying.

All this is presented in their 81 minute video, "National Security Alert". I urge you to download it so you can see the eyewitness testimony for yourself.

NATIONAL SECURITY ALERT - Citizen Investigation Team - 9/11 Pentagon Attack Investigation, Witness Interviews

Also see the FAQ:

NATIONAL SECURITY ALERT - FAQ
 
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old news....long debunked.

the witnesses used for this "investigation" saw the plane hit the Pentagon.
 
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Thunder said:
old news....long debunked.

the witnesses used for this "investigation" saw the plane hit the Pentagon.
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Have you seen the video?
 
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Thunder said:
I watched the video. The eyewitnesses say they saw the plane hit the Pentagon.

case closed.
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I've watched it too and can't recall them saying that. In fact, many of them couldn't have seen it hit as they weren't in a position to do so.

Are you sure we're talking about the same video?
 
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shanners said:
I've watched it too and can't recall them saying that. In fact, many of them couldn't have seen it hit as they weren't in a position to do so.

Are you sure we're talking about the same video?
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I agree with Thunder. Its been debunked.

Before I start posting links to show what is out there that supports the debunked position, I got a question or two.

When it comes to CT topics, I generally look at what is posted, then search the topic for other evidence, statements, and postions. From that search I will decide who to believe or not.

Question? Do you research both sides of the topic or just post one side and try support it?
Other than the vid and the FAQ, what other evidence do you have?
If CIT is so sure of their findings and conclusions, when are they going to take the govt. to court to prove their stance?

For me, CIT is just another CT group trying to draw conclusions that are not real.
 
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mike2810 said:
I agree with Thunder. Its been debunked.
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He's obviously mistaken and is thinking of some other video. None of the eyewitnesses in this one say they saw it hit the Pentagon. (BTW, there are 13 of them, not 15 as I incorrectly stated in the OP)

I got a question or two.
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As I have for you.

When it comes to CT topics
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So you'll agree with me when I say the official line that OBL/AQ/19 Saudi hijackers did it is in actual fact a conspiracy theory?

Do you research both sides of the topic
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Yes, it's always interesting to see how many lies, strawmen, red herrings and the like proponents of the OCT come up with. I don't concern myself much with UFOs, the moon landing, and what have you. When I get the time I look into the JFK one, and various WWII ones, but I tend to concentrate on 9/11 as it is the biggest fish to fry.

Other than the vid and the FAQ, what other evidence do you have?
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I'm drawing attention to this eyewitness testimony. There's so much more evidence, testimony etc that I've covered in other posts. But in this thread I'm concentrating on the eyewitness testimony presented in this video.

If CIT is so sure of their findings and conclusions, when are they going to take the govt. to court to prove their stance?
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This is one of the problems we have. The authorities simply refuse to conduct an investigation. However, CIT's approach is outlined here.

For me, CIT is just another CT group trying to draw conclusions that are not real.
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Drawing logical and rational conclusions from very real eyewitness testimony is as real as you can get.
 
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shanners said:
...So you'll agree with me when I say the official line that OBL/AQ/19 Saudi hijackers did it is in actual fact a conspiracy theory?....
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you are purposefully lying about the meaning of a "conspiracy theory".
 
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shanners:
by your post you made the 911 link a CT.

The authorities don't need to file a case in court. CIT can do that on their own.

So you agree that that CIT is speculating and have no concrete proof?
 
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It has been how long since 9/11?

Here is what CIT has in its "report" section.
"This area is "under construction", but it will eventually be a place for you to report the outcome of your Operation Accountability efforts. For now please contact us via e-mail with any information. Thank you."

guess they had no takers to report back to them. Wonder why?
 
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mike2810 said:
It has been how long since 9/11?

Here is what CIT has in its "report" section.
"This area is "under construction", but it will eventually be a place for you to report the outcome of your Operation Accountability efforts. For now please contact us via e-mail with any information. Thank you."

guess they had no takers to report back to them. Wonder why?
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cause 9-11 Truth died in 2007. that's why.

nobody cares about this crap anymore.
 
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Thunder said:
cause 9-11 Truth died in 2007. that's why.

nobody cares about this crap anymore.
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I agree.
We should never forget 9/11 occurred. We also should stop this stupid theories regarding 9/11. It is an insult to those that died on that day.
 
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Thunder said:
you are purposefully lying about the meaning of a "conspiracy theory".
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Nope. The official line that OBL and his rag-tag team of hijackers did it is, by definition, a conspiracy theory, as NO evidence has ever been presented that proves, beyond reasonable doubt, that this is the case.

If you think otherwise then please show us such evidence.
 
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mike2810 said:
shanners:
by your post you made the 911 link a CT.

The authorities don't need to file a case in court. CIT can do that on their own.

So you agree that that CIT is speculating and have no concrete proof?
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There's lots of proof that the government is lying:

"A conventional fixed wing aircraft, 757 or otherwise, cannot maneuver from north of the former Citgo gas station to cause the physical damage to the light poles, generator trailer, or the Pentagon without structural failure of the airframe itself. The maneuver would require G forces exceeding aircraft capabilities and that of the human body. Physics and math do not lie. If you accept the placement of the plane as independently and unanimously reported by the witnesses presented in CIT's video National Security Alert, science proves that it did not cause the physical damage at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001."

Robert Balsamo, FAA Certified Pilot
Founder of Pilots for 9/11 Truth

So what did?
 
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mike2810 said:
It has been how long since 9/11?

Here is what CIT has in its "report" section.
"This area is "under construction", but it will eventually be a place for you to report the outcome of your Operation Accountability efforts. For now please contact us via e-mail with any information. Thank you."

guess they had no takers to report back to them. Wonder why?
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All that shows is such an outcome cannot be achieved in a jiffy. It does not indicate that nobody has attempted it, which is what I think you're trying to say.
 
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mike2810 said:
We also should stop this stupid theories regarding 9/11.
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Millions disagree.

It is an insult to those that died on that day.
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Tell that to the 9/11 widows and relatives of victims who are still fighting for justice!
 
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At 15.10 in the video:

"The plane absolutely has to be south of the Navy Annexe, south of the gas station, and directly over the R-27 overpass bridge to hit the light poles and cause the low and level directional damage to the building as documented and reported. There is no room for error in the official flight path at all. So these critical details should have been easily confirmed by the witnesses. But as you are about to see for yourself, they independently and unanimously reported the opposite, proving the plane could not have caused the physical damage."
 
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shanners said:
There's lots of proof that the government is lying:

"A conventional fixed wing aircraft, 757 or otherwise, cannot maneuver from north of the former Citgo gas station to cause the physical damage to the light poles, generator trailer, or the Pentagon without structural failure of the airframe itself. The maneuver would require G forces exceeding aircraft capabilities and that of the human body. Physics and math do not lie. If you accept the placement of the plane as independently and unanimously reported by the witnesses presented in CIT's video National Security Alert, science proves that it did not cause the physical damage at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001."

Robert Balsamo, FAA Certified Pilot
Founder of Pilots for 9/11 Truth

So what did?
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So I am to accept this persons opinion and not of others who disagree. got it.

We all know what did, you refuse to accept it.

It is not up to me to prove an alternate answer to what struck the Pentagon. it is up to those to prove their theory that differs from the accepted findings.

and since many CT people like to attack the source, you quote sources from CT sites. Of course they are going to support that the govt. is wrong. Just as if I started to link sites that says CIT is wrong, you would say the source is bad.

Nothing new from the CT people. Time to move on.
 
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shanners said:
At 15.10 in the video:

"The plane absolutely has to be south of the Navy Annexe, south of the gas station, and directly over the R-27 overpass bridge to hit the light poles and cause the low and level directional damage to the building as documented and reported. There is no room for error in the official flight path at all. So these critical details should have been easily confirmed by the witnesses. But as you are about to see for yourself, they independently and unanimously reported the opposite, proving the plane could not have caused the physical damage."
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One groups opinion. Saying so is not evidence by itself. They have not proven anything.
 
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Here is just one link for you shanner:
Since you used a CT site for your stance, Guess I can will use this, since I know linking to any govt site would not be accepted.

9/11: A Boeing 757 Struck the Pentagon, page 1

Bottom line, the hijacked 757 hit the pentagon.

Maybe CIT is a terrorist group trying to cause distrust among the American people regarding their attack. But to discuss that, we should start another thread.:mrgreen:
 
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why is CIT defending the enemies of the USA?
 
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mike2810 said:
One groups opinion. Saying so is not evidence by itself.
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It's not their opinion. It is their testimony of what happened. Eyewitness testimony can and has been used as evidence to secure convictions in a court of law. This case is no different.

They have not proven anything.
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You're not getting it. A plane on that flight path could not have knocked down the light poles and caused the damage to the building as per the official story. If it had hit the Pentagon the damage would be different, ie, the entry hole would be at a different angle, etc.
 
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