The Patriarchy...or the Best System?

ecofarm said:

Freedom does not end gender roles, expectations and conformity.



That's sexist ignorance. Maybe we should believe black people are less inclined, at least until you see proof otherwise?

You do understand how presuming inferiority is sexist, right?



It proves biological sex does not dictate personality.

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Congrats fam, you've had the "Sexism" card pulled on you. You must be pretty close to the truth.

NoMereRanger said:

Congrats fam, you've had the "Sexism" card pulled on you. You must be pretty close to the truth.

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That's always the sign, right?

ecofarm said:

You win! Yay! Take a screen shot.

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Damn someone's salty LOL

NoMereRanger said:

Damn someone's salty LOL

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Yeah, I'm upset. You struck a nerve. Musta hit close.

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Rent's free, make yourself at home.

ecofarm said:

Yeah, I'm upset. You struck a nerve. Musta hit close.

:thumbs:

Rent's free, make yourself at home.

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Actually if anything, society has conditioned you to be salty, so I can't really blame you, it's da big bad society that's determining your saltiness.

NoMereRanger said:

Actually if anything, society has conditioned you to be salty, so I can't really blame you, it's da big bad society that's determining your saltiness.

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I'm a hetero cis white male, so I get full victim status, right? You're bestowing upon me unlimited right to play the victim card and I get to declare everyone else's card invalid. I just wanna make sure I'm joining the right club.

NoMereRanger said:

Have had this discussion with a female friend of mine before: She contends that most of history demonstrates the existence of an all-powerful patriarchy. Men have the final say in everything, men physically impose themselves on women, men have all the fun. I contend that evolution has enabled both genders with specific attributes that lend themselves to our survival. From there we developed the best ways to do things and thus became the dominate species on this planet. I don't deny that sexism has always existed and will most likely exist for as long as we do. I only posit that, in general, men tend to gravitate towards certain roles and women towards others because we realized that it was best for the continuation of our species. For example, men tend to be more assertive and bigger assholes, which make them better leaders. Women tend to be more empathetic and understanding, making them better caretakers. All this is a long winded way of saying "There are gender roles." Right or wrong?

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She never visited my house. My wife runs the family. She decides what we eat, when we eat, where we eat. She handles the money, approves all purchases, and assigns "honey do" lists. (However, I would never dare to hand her a "honey do" list). She is in charge of all social affairs, event planning and outings. She plans and directs vacations. While she doesn't usually buy my clothes, I do know what's expected of me regarding apparel. She picked out every stick of furniture that's in the house. Hell, she picked the house. At least she had final approval. BTW; she controls when we have sex, where we have sex and if we have sex. I usually determine how long it lasts......

NoMereRanger said:

Have had this discussion with a female friend of mine before: She contends that most of history demonstrates the existence of an all-powerful patriarchy. Men have the final say in everything, men physically impose themselves on women, men have all the fun. I contend that evolution has enabled both genders with specific attributes that lend themselves to our survival. From there we developed the best ways to do things and thus became the dominate species on this planet. I don't deny that sexism has always existed and will most likely exist for as long as we do. I only posit that, in general, men tend to gravitate towards certain roles and women towards others because we realized that it was best for the continuation of our species. For example, men tend to be more assertive and bigger assholes, which make them better leaders. Women tend to be more empathetic and understanding, making them better caretakers. All this is a long winded way of saying "There are gender roles." Right or wrong?

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Red:
Your "red" remarks are nearly a "chapter and verse" distillation of Islam's catechism regarding gender roles and the rights and duties of men and women.

I'm not even remotely kidding. I think it safe to say that were you asked to write a high school essay for a comparative religion class or for a non-dogmatic aime class on Islam, you could literally begin your essay expressing "red" ideas and have a fine foundation for a paper that, if everything else you wrote were utter ****, so long as you didn't contradict those two opening sentences, you'd earn at least a "D" on account of having grasped that much -- it's that "spot on" -- about the nature of gender roles in Islam. In other words, that alone is enough to keep one from obtaining a failing grade....Not, by any means, the greatest accolade, but not bad at all for two sentences in a paper containing something on the order of 30-100 sentences.

Men, in general, are better at some things than women, and vice-versa. However, we complement each other in wondrous ways. We will never, ever be equal; nor should we try to be. The more important realization is that we will always be equally important.

Actually, most cultures are traditionally matriarchal in nature.

Take the "Dowry". In modern terms it is seen as a "bride price". But originally it was the transfer of the bride's possessions to the new family. The reverse concept is the "Bride Price", where the groom (or groom's family) must make a payment for the new wife, same concept. They are buying the bride's assets from her family. And short of Roman Law, in most cultures it is the wife that owned the property and not the men. That is why many legends have a poor man marrying into a rich family (Aladdin), but rarely the reverse (remember in the Cinderella story she comes from a wealthy family, but was abused by her step-mother and sisters).

In a great many cultures, it is the wife that holds property and holds the line of children. The child of a man born to a gentile was not considered "Jewish" under Hebrew law, but the child born of a gentile to a Jewish mother was considered to be Jewish. This matrilineal rule was common in most cultures prior to the rise of the Roman Republic and their "Patrilineal Domination".