The NEW WORLD TRANSLATION reveals that JESUS is JEHOVAH

[LittleNipper]

And if the CHRIST is JEHOVAH, HE must be in fact GOD.

This article will not provide a complete case for the deity of Jesus, nor is it presented as a full refutation of Jehovah’s Witness beliefs. However, I do find it interesting that despite the changes here and there that Watchtower translators have made to the Bible, my copy of the New World Translation still teaches me that Jesus is Jehovah in two different ways. After we study those two ways, we will study a prooftext Jehovah’s Witnesses often use to try to prove that Jesus was a created being, and not God Himself from the very beginning.

Number 1​

A voice of one calling out in the wilderness:
“Clear up the way of Jehovah!
Make a straight highway through the desert for our God.”

Isaiah 40:3

This quote is, and all future quotes in this article will be, directly from the latest version of the New World Translation. In this verse, Isaiah prophesied that a voice would call out in the wilderness and make a straight way for Jehovah God. The New World Translation cross-references this verse with Matthew 3, which makes sense.

In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Judea, saying: “Repent, for the Kingdom of the heavens has drawn near.” This, in fact, is the one spoken of through Isaiah the prophet in these words: “A voice of one calling out in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of Jehovah! Make his roads straight.’”

Matthew 3:1–3

So John was the one prophesied in Isaiah to prepare the way for Jehovah. Yet, specifically, who did John prepare a way for?

He [John] said: “I am a voice of someone crying out in the wilderness, ‘Make the way of Jehovah straight,’ just as Isaiah the prophet said.”

John 1:23

The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and he said: “See, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! This is the one about whom I said: ‘Behind me there comes a man who has advanced in front of me, for he existed before me.’”

John 1:29–30

So, John was preparing the way for Jehovah, who, when He was revealed, ended up being Jesus. Even when you read the New World Translation of the Bible, you come to the conclusion that Jesus is Jehovah.

Number 2​

This is what Jehovah says,
The King of Israel and his Repurchaser, Jehovah of armies:
“I am the first and I am the last.
There is no God but me.”

Isaiah 44:6

Again, the New World Translation provides some cross references here. It suggests we compare this passage with Revelation 22:13, which we will do in a moment.

First, let’s go to Revelation 1:7–8:

Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen. “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”

Alpha is the first letter of the Greek alphabet, and Omega is the last. When Jehovah says, “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” that’s just another way of saying what He said in Isaiah 44: “I am the first and I am the last.” Anyone can claim this, but truly, only the God of the universe—Jehovah Himself—can prove it.

When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last…”

Revelation 1:17

Again, Jehovah asserts His deity here. Wait, who claims to be Jehovah here? Read the next verse.

and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave.

Revelation 1:18

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[LittleNipper]

In verse 11, a voice begins speaking, and John sees the owner of the voice in the following verses. It turns out to be Jesus Himself! In Isaiah 44, Jehovah claims exclusivity to the title The First and the Last. In Revelation, Jesus claims that title for Himself. Either we accept the fact that Jesus is Jehovah, or we call Him a blasphemous liar. But even the New World Translation tells us to check Isaiah 44 with Revelation 22:13, which says:

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.

The New World Translation tells us the speaker here is Jehovah—the one and only God. And yet, verse 16 reveals who the speaker is:

I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you about these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David and the bright morning star.

By the way, Jehovah’s Witnesses have been trained to sidestep this conclusion by simply saying that the text is ambiguous as to who is speaking in these passages, so it must have been the Father each time. If it’s unclear to you who is speaking, I encourage you, as always, to read the passage in context. The one who put His right hand on John and told him, “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last,” was certainly Jesus.

And so, when you read the New World Translation of the Bible, you come to the conclusion that Jesus is Jehovah.

Jesus is firstborn​

Now that we have used the Watchtower’s own publication to come to the conclusion that Jesus is the eternal God, how do we answer their accusations toward Jesus that He was the first one created?

Before we study all that, let me warn you, Christian, not to use this as a “gotcha.” Jesus sent us to win souls, not arguments. I respect my Jehovah’s Witness friends greatly, and you should too. They possess a zeal for their message that Christians would do well to have for the gospel of Jesus. Even if you’re able to perfectly answer every Bible question or accusation, that will not guarantee you will win souls. You must love people, and that includes treating them as you want to be treated, and I doubt you want people to bash you over your head with their beliefs. Engage in friendship and honest discussion. Ask questions. Study. Plant. Water. And depend on God to give the increase.

In John 17:5, Jesus claims to have had glory with the Father since “before the world was.” In Psalm 90:2, the psalmist says to God, “From everlasting to everlasting, you are God.” And in Micah 5:2, it is prophesied that Jesus would be born in Bethlehem, “Whose origin is from ancient times, from the days of long ago.” The word for long ago here is the same Hebrew word as everlasting in Psalm 90:2. Micah says that, although Jesus would be born in Bethlehem, He would be coming from an everlasting past. Surely, that’s a quality of God Himself. However, Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jesus was the first one ever created (therefore, He had a beginning), and then everything was created through Him. One of the ways they try to prove this is using Colossians 1:15, which says:

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

See, the Bible calls Jesus the firstborn of creation. That means He was created, right? No. You’re probably aware of the fact that In many cultures, including Bible cultures, the one who is born first usually gets the greatest inheritance and power in a family. Given that cultural norm, when the Bible uses the word firstborn, it’s often a figure of speech. It’s talking about a position, not the fact that someone was actually born first. Psalm 89:27, speaking of king David, says:

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[LittleNipper]

And I will place him as firstborn,
The highest of the kings of the earth.

David was actually the youngest of his brothers. Yet, God placed him in a position called the firstborn. God was making David the greatest king on earth. Even though it had nothing to do with his birth or physical lineage, God saw fit to give him this power. That’s exactly what the apostle Paul was saying in Colossians 1. By saying Jesus was the firstborn of creation, he certainly was not saying Jesus was part of the creation. He was saying Jesus has power over creation (see also Matthew 28:18). A few verses later, the apostle says:

He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things.

Colossians 1:18

If, by “firstborn of creation,” Paul means Jesus was the first one created, then, by “firstborn from the dead,” he must also mean Jesus was the first to rise from death. Of course, Jesus was not the first to be resurrected. Jesus Himself rose at least three people from the dead during His ministry.<a href="https://topicalbiblestudies.com/jeh...-is-god/#595433e2-010b-4da8-90ad-639c4d375865">1</a> His resurrection was the preeminent one. He rose to never taste death again. His rising is the standard of resurrection we can look forward to, if we truly believe Him. If we follow in His death, we can follow His resurrection (see Romans 6:1–6).

Do I trust the New World Translation? No, I don’t. It is not an honest translation. However, even with its flaws, I agree with it that Jesus is Immanuel—“With Us Is God” (see Isaiah 7:14 and Matthew 1:22–23). I agree with the New World Translation that Jesus should be called “Mighty God” (see Isaiah 9:6).

In John 20:28, Thomas calls Jesus, “My Lord and my God!” Of course, Jehovah’s Witnesses say Thomas was mistaken and that Jesus was not required to correct Thomas here. Yet, the very next verse, Jesus says Thomas believes. And the next thing He does is send Thomas out to teach his beliefs to the entire world (see Matthew 28:18–20). What did Thomas believe about Jesus? He believed Jesus is Jehovah God, and anyone who reads even the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures with an honest heart will come to the same conclusion.

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[redbeer]

And if the CHRIST is JEHOVAH, HE must be in fact GOD.

This article will not provide a complete case for the deity of Jesus, nor is it presented as a full refutation of Jehovah’s Witness beliefs. However, I do find it interesting that despite the changes here and there that Watchtower translators have made to the Bible, my copy of the New World Translation still teaches me that Jesus is Jehovah in two different ways. After we study those two ways, we will study a prooftext Jehovah’s Witnesses often use to try to prove that Jesus was a created being, and not God Himself from the very beginning.

Number 1​

This quote is, and all future quotes in this article will be, directly from the latest version of the New World Translation. In this verse, Isaiah prophesied that a voice would call out in the wilderness and make a straight way for Jehovah God. The New World Translation cross-references this verse with Matthew 3, which makes sense.


So John was the one prophesied in Isaiah to prepare the way for Jehovah. Yet, specifically, who did John prepare a way for?



So, John was preparing the way for Jehovah, who, when He was revealed, ended up being Jesus. Even when you read the New World Translation of the Bible, you come to the conclusion that Jesus is Jehovah.

John tells us specifically who was coming.....we don't have to ponder:


(Joh 1:29) The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.


The "Lamb of God" is not God, but the One sent by God. Jesus was not alone, for His Father was with and in Him. Follow this One, He will lead you to God.

Number 2​

Again, the New World Translation provides some cross references here. It suggests we compare this passage with Revelation 22:13, which we will do in a moment.

First, let’s go to Revelation 1:7–8:


Alpha is the first letter of the Greek alphabet, and Omega is the last. When Jehovah says, “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” that’s just another way of saying what He said in Isaiah 44: “I am the first and I am the last.” Anyone can claim this, but truly, only the God of the universe—Jehovah Himself—can prove it.


Again, Jehovah asserts His deity here. Wait, who claims to be Jehovah here? Read the next verse.


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Including the 6th verse makes the 7th and 8th verse make sense:


(Rev 1:6) And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.


Keep trying though.....

 

[LittleNipper]

John tells us specifically who was coming.....we don't have to ponder:


(Joh 1:29) The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.


The "Lamb of God" is not God, but the One sent by God. Jesus was not alone, for His Father was with and in Him. Follow this One, He will lead you to God.



Including the 6th verse makes the 7th and 8th verse make sense:


(Rev 1:6) And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.


Keep trying though.....

JESUS is JEHOVAH and the KINGDOM --- make the way straight. To CHRIST be glory and dominion eternally ---- So be it!

 

[redbeer]

JESUS is JEHOVAH and the KINGDOM --- make the way straight. To CHRIST be glory and dominion eternally ---- So be it!

Actually, Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God.......but you be you, as there has always been strange and foreign gods surrounding God's people.

 

[LittleNipper]

Actually, Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God.......but you be you, as there has always been strange and foreign gods surrounding God's people.

JESUS, EMANUEL, CHRIST, MESSIAH, ANOINTED ONE, SON OF MAN, ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, YESHUA, THE LORD IS SALVATION . Which do you see as strange and a foreign god?

 

[redbeer]

JESUS, EMANUEL, CHRIST, MESSIAH, ANOINTED ONE, SON OF MAN, ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, YESHUA, THE LORD IS SALVATION . Which do you see as strange and a foreign god?

Nothing's wrong and all of them emphatically state Jesus is NOT God. Followers of Christ have the same God as the Son, not a foreign, different or the claim that the Messiah is God.

 

[Revelation]

JESUS, EMANUEL, CHRIST, MESSIAH, ANOINTED ONE, SON OF MAN, ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, YESHUA, THE LORD IS SALVATION . Which do you see as strange and a foreign god?

maybe we just stick with John 1:1, in the Beginning was the Word. simple enuf for most of us.


blessings 72 hours.

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[redbeer]

maybe we just stick with John 1:1, in the Beginning was the Word. simple enuf for most of us.


blessings 72 hours.

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No mystery......what happened in the Beginning in Genesis?.....God spoke and it 'became'......the Word in John is "logos", surely you know the definition. Next is who's "words" did Jesus speak? Answering honestly gives us the simple truth.

 

[Daisy]

In this current podcast we discuss another HIGH cost to pay for any deity of Christ interpretation of Scripture. All deity of Christ claims not only dishonor the Father, but they also dishonor the Christ, the man Jesus of Nazareth, the Jew who was born in Bethlehem some 2000 years ago. In fact, all deity of Christ claims in the end deny that the human person Jesus Christ ever existed.

 

[LittleNipper]

In this current podcast we discuss another HIGH cost to pay for any deity of Christ interpretation of Scripture. All deity of Christ claims not only dishonor the Father, but they also dishonor the Christ, the man Jesus of Nazareth, the Jew who was born in Bethlehem some 2000 years ago. In fact, all deity of Christ claims in the end deny that the human person Jesus Christ ever existed.

How does one bring dishonor to CHRIST through GLORIFICATION of HIM?

 

[Daisy]

Deity of Christ Interpretations of the Bible Dishonor the Father, the Only True God.

If Jesus is God, then God the Father is not the one true God. The claim that “Jesus is God” becomes the main building block used by humans to construct a multi-person god. If Jesus is one member of a multi-person (or a Triune god) then the multi-person god is the one God, and the Father is not.

Mainstream Christians agree that there is one God. “We are monotheists. We believe in one God”. But for mainstream Christians, the one God is made up of three persons.

Either the Father, a singular self, is the one true God, or a multi-person god is the one God. But if the Father is the one true God, then the claim that “Jesus is God” (that God is multi-persons) is an attempt to denigrate the only true God -- the Father. What deity of Christ and Trinitarian interpreters are doing is attempting to put another god on the face of and in the place of our God and Father.

The HIGH cost of any “deity of Christ” interpretations is an attempt to claim that the Father is not the one, the only true God. Christians need to decide: who is your God. Either the Trinity, or the Father alone. Your God can’t be both.

 

[LittleNipper]

Hebrews Chapter 1 tells Christian's everywhere exactly what the FATHER feels regarding CHRIST:

1 In the past GOD spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
2 but in these last days HE has spoken to us by HIS SON, whom HE appointed HEIR of all things, and through whom also HE made the universe.
3 The SON is the radiance God’s glory and the exact representation of HIS being, sustaining all things by HIS powerful word. After HE had provided purification for sins, HE sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
4 So HE became as much superior to the angels as the name HE has inherited is superior to theirs.

The Son Superior to Angels​

5 For to which of the angels did GOD ever say,

“YOU are MY SON; today I have become YOUR FATHER”
Or again,

“I will be HIS FATHER, and HE will be MY SON”
6 And again, when GOD brings HIS firstborn into the world, HE says,

“Let all GOD’s angels worship HIM.”
7 In speaking of the angels HE says,

“HE makes HIS angels spirits,
and HIS servants flames of fire.”
8 But about the Son he says,

“YOUR throne, O GOD, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of YOUR kingdom.
9 YOU have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore GOD, YOUR GOD, has set YOU above YOUR companions
by anointing YOU with the oil of joy.”
10 HE also says,

“In the beginning, LORD, YOU laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of YOUR hands.
11 They will perish, but YOU remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12 YOU will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But YOU remain the same,
and YOUR years will never end.”
13 To which of the angels did GOD ever say,

“Sit at MY right hand
until I make YOUR enemies
a footstool for YOUR feet”
14 Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

So, what does the heavenly FATHER say regarding the SON? The FATHER says that the SON speaks for HIM. Everything belongs to the SON and the SON is the CREATOR of the Universe. The SON radiates GOD's GLORY and exactly represents GOD completely, and keeps everything going merely by HIS spoken word. After CHRIST provided redemption for sin HE sat himself down right next to the FATHER in heaven. The SON always existed inherently superior to all the angels. THE FATHER never referred to any angel as HIS SON. The heavenly FATHER says that HE has become like a FATHER to the SON and commanded that all the angels of heaven worship HIM when HE brought the MESSIAH down to earth as JESUS (which seems really odd if HE told the Witnesses not to worship the SON and make a fuss of celebrating birthdays) . The angels the FATHER made as spirits, and HIS servants as flaming fire, but the SON the FATHER calls HIM HIS GOD and reveals that the SON's throne is eternal. SO YOU are MY GOD and I'M YOU'RE GOD and place YOU above YOUR friends by anointing YOU. LORD JESUS you established the earth and heavens as a work of your hands. They are going to wear out and be destroyed; however, YOU remain unchanging forever. No angel did GOD ever say "Sit at my right side." It's plain to see that ALL ANGELS are but ministering spirits sent to serve those that are going to be saved (so, MICHAEL though an archangel isn't CHRIST in any other shape or form).

 

[LittleNipper]

There is ONLY one true GOD. The FATHER, SON, and HOLY SPIRIT ------ THEY are GOD. However, GOD is still one essence or being, but revealed in THREE PERSONS: https://lightenough.wordpress.com/2023/06/17/is-they-an-appropriate-pronoun-for-the-triune-god/ CHRIST cares for us because HE CREATED us. When the word GOD is applied, it is encompassing all three person who totally agree eternally with love and justice. The Jehovah's Witnesses attempt to divide GOD into segments with one being inferior to another or created by the other or simply a force of another. They attempt to apply the name JEHOVAH to only one person. They don't know what to do with I AM THAT I AM. The BIBLE clearly SHOWS that there exists absolutely NO ANIMOSITY between the persons within the TRINITY namely GOD. The term TRINITY is merely a term that expresses the perfect union of three eternal persons who are ONE and cannot disagree or steal power. THEY share the same nature. THEY each have their own job, but THEY are in DIVINE PERFECT AGREEMENT. The HOLY SPIRIT COMFORTS and OVERSHADOWS (that doesn't seem like the quality of some force. CHRIST created, visited with many individuals even before HE came as a baby to Bethlehem. HE is our SAVIOR/REDEEMER/FRIEND ------ if we let HIM by means of the HOLY SPIRIT -------Come in and abide.

 

[redbeer]

Deity of Christ Interpretations of the Bible Dishonor the Father, the Only True God.

If Jesus is God, then God the Father is not the one true God. The claim that “Jesus is God” becomes the main building block used by humans to construct a multi-person god. If Jesus is one member of a multi-person (or a Triune god) then the multi-person god is the one God, and the Father is not.

Mainstream Christians agree that there is one God. “We are monotheists. We believe in one God”. But for mainstream Christians, the one God is made up of three persons.

Either the Father, a singular self, is the one true God, or a multi-person god is the one God. But if the Father is the one true God, then the claim that “Jesus is God” (that God is multi-persons) is an attempt to denigrate the only true God -- the Father. What deity of Christ and Trinitarian interpreters are doing is attempting to put another god on the face of and in the place of our God and Father.

The HIGH cost of any “deity of Christ” interpretations is an attempt to claim that the Father is not the one, the only true God. Christians need to decide: who is your God. Either the Trinity, or the Father alone. Your God can’t be both.

Absolutely, Revelation 13 is an interesting read once one understands it's speaking of the trinity doctrine. Read closely the similarities.


(Rev 13:2) And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

This beast is like a 3 in 1 beast.....leopard, bear, and a lion. One of its heads were deadly wounded and the world marveled, saying who is to make war with him.

(Rev 13:3) And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
(Rev 13:4) And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?


Verses 5-10 speaking of the time of Catholicism. Then a second beast rises, speaking of Protestantism.

(Rev 13:12) And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.


(Rev 13:14) And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
(Rev 13:15) And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
(Rev 13:16) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:


The history of these two beasts should ring a bell, raise a red flag, a light to turn on....this beast wants everyone to receive a mark, NOT the mark of God, but the mark of these beasts.

(Rev 13:17) And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.


This second beast has made it so, without this mark, one cannot buy or sell, iow not even considered a Christian.


(Rev 13:18) Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.


This beast's number is the number of a man. Man being created on the 6th day and the number (notice it's a singular number), repeated thrice, 666. Three numbers, yet one number. Sounding familiar, yet? One God in three persons. It's the mark of the beast, the mark of the doctrine of man, for man is but a beast.

The raising the Christ OF God TO God does great disservice and dishonor to both God and His Christ. God's People follow Jesus by having the exact same God, having the same mark, not the mark of a manmade doctrine with such a horrendous history.

 

[Phys251]

MY holy book says that Neo is the Messiah and Morpheus is Jehovah.

 

[Daisy]

(Rev 13:2) And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

I would say since it has authority/power/throne that could point to its being a political entity...

(Rev 13:3) And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Which could also refer to political nationalism...let's face it, it become a dominant form of religion in this world...

(Rev 13:4) And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

We know that the dragon/Satan is the ruler of this world so the above is not that far fetched...he controls the political elements/gives them power...

Verses 5-10 speaking of the time of Catholicism. Then a second beast rises, speaking of Protestantism.

Who has been more blasphemous than the kings of the earth, rivaling God for earthly sovereignty?

 

[LittleNipper]

Absolutely, Revelation 13 is an interesting read once one understands it's speaking of the trinity doctrine. Read closely the similarities.


(Rev 13:2) And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

This beast is like a 3 in 1 beast.....leopard, bear, and a lion. One of its heads were deadly wounded and the world marveled, saying who is to make war with him.

(Rev 13:3) And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
(Rev 13:4) And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?


Verses 5-10 speaking of the time of Catholicism. Then a second beast rises, speaking of Protestantism.

(Rev 13:12) And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.


(Rev 13:14) And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
(Rev 13:15) And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
(Rev 13:16) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:


The history of these two beasts should ring a bell, raise a red flag, a light to turn on....this beast wants everyone to receive a mark, NOT the mark of God, but the mark of these beasts.

(Rev 13:17) And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.


This second beast has made it so, without this mark, one cannot buy or sell, iow not even considered a Christian.


(Rev 13:18) Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.


This beast's number is the number of a man. Man being created on the 6th day and the number (notice it's a singular number), repeated thrice, 666. Three numbers, yet one number. Sounding familiar, yet? One God in three persons. It's the mark of the beast, the mark of the doctrine of man, for man is but a beast.

The raising the Christ OF God TO God does great disservice and dishonor to both God and His Christ. God's People follow Jesus by having the exact same God, having the same mark, not the mark of a manmade doctrine with such a horrendous history.

So there can be a satanic "trinity", but it's unreasonable to even imagine that Satan is attempting to copycat the triunity of GOD ---- whom HE is trying desperately to usurp by HIS counterfeit. In the meantime, the book of Revelation is the big reveal of exactly who CHRIST is and the TRINITY is even presented through 1) the Prophetic Witness 2) the Divine Lamb 3)the Seven Spirits ------ https://credomag.com/2023/01/how-the-book-of-revelation-teaches-the-trinity/

 

[redbeer]

So there can be a satanic "trinity", but it's unreasonable to even imagine that Satan is attempting to copycat the triunity of GOD ---- whom HE is trying desperately to usurp by HIS counterfeit. In the meantime, the book of Revelation is the big reveal of exactly who CHRIST is and the TRINITY is even presented through 1) the Prophetic Witness 2) the Divine Lamb 3)the Seven Spirits ------ https://credomag.com/2023/01/how-the-book-of-revelation-teaches-the-trinity/

Comes down to the mark one has on their forehead, either the Mark of God or the Mark of the Beast.


Keep reading on to the 14th and 15th chapters in Revelations. Two short and quick chapters and in them it's explained with simplicity the truth of God and the Lamb, the Father and the Son, for example:



(Rev 4:2) And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

Notice carefully, singular not plural or triune.

(Rev 5:1) And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
(Rev 5:2) And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

Who will take the book, open and loose the seals, who is worthy?


(Rev 5:6) And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
(Rev 5:7) And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

The Lamb is of course Jesus the Christ.

(Rev 5:9) And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
(Rev 5:10) And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

(Rev 5:12) Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
(Rev 5:13) And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.


The Lamb redeemed us back to God by his blood and he "received" power, honor, wisdom, glory, etc......received from whom? The One who sits on the throne, of course. This explains the correct mark, the Mark of God, One God sits on the throne and the Lamb which shed his blood to redeem us back to God.


The Mark of the Beast is a doctrine of man, for man is but a beast, created on the 6th day having a 3 in 1 triune god, who raises the Lamb, Christ of God to equality with the One who sits on the throne. Giving great dishonor to both the Father and Son. Remember, the devil will come to you as an Angel of Light, beware you do not fall in its snares. Also, would be a great deception which would deceive the entire world.....look around.

 

[LittleNipper]

Comes down to the mark one has on their forehead, either the Mark of God or the Mark of the Beast.


Keep reading on to the 14th and 15th chapters in Revelations. Two short and quick chapters and in them it's explained with simplicity the truth of God and the Lamb, the Father and the Son, for example:



(Rev 4:2) And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

Notice carefully, singular not plural or triune.

(Rev 5:1) And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
(Rev 5:2) And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

Who will take the book, open and loose the seals, who is worthy?


(Rev 5:6) And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
(Rev 5:7) And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

The Lamb is of course Jesus the Christ.

(Rev 5:9) And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
(Rev 5:10) And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

(Rev 5:12) Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
(Rev 5:13) And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.


The Lamb redeemed us back to God by his blood and he "received" power, honor, wisdom, glory, etc......received from whom? The One who sits on the throne, of course. This explains the correct mark, the Mark of God, One God sits on the throne and the Lamb which shed his blood to redeem us back to God.


The Mark of the Beast is a doctrine of man, for man is but a beast, created on the 6th day having a 3 in 1 triune god, who raises the Lamb, Christ of God to equality with the One who sits on the throne. Giving great dishonor to both the Father and Son. Remember, the devil will come to you as an Angel of Light, beware you do not fall in its snares. Also, would be a great deception which would deceive the entire world.....look around.

 

[Brack]

The NWT translates "Lord" as "Jehovah God" in Revelation 1:8 because Jehovah Witnesses believe that only Jehovah God is the Almighty.

 

[Daisy]

The NWT translates "Lord" as "Jehovah God" in Revelation 1:8 because Jehovah Witnesses believe that only Jehovah God is the Almighty.

Yes, because that is Jehovah speaking in verse 8...

 

[LittleNipper]

The NWT translates "Lord" as "Jehovah God" in Revelation 1:8 because Jehovah Witnesses believe that only Jehovah God is the Almighty.

And the Witnesses couldn't possibly be wrong ------ or are they! Christians often make no distinction between "MIGHTY" and "almighty". Mighty is mighty. However, the Witnesses do make a distinction. The problem is that while JESUS was in this world and confined in a human body, HE was limited. HE obviously could not be omnipresence in and of HIMSELF. HE depended on what the FATHER and HOLY SPIRIT revealed to HIM during HIS stay... And although JESUS could heal, walk on water, even know what individuals were thinking and their history, plus raise the dead; JESUS HIMSELF had limited HIMSELF to location and HIS general surroundings ----- time and place... Jehovah's Witnesses clearly seem to disregard this, or at the very least seem not to take it into consideration. CHRIST had emptied HIMSELF (clearly mentioned in the Bible). HE often went only where HE was taken by his parents, boat, walking, colt, donkey, and even Satan took JESUS to view the world and to a pinnacle of the temple. None of this means that CHRIST would remain in such a predicament against HIS will. HOWEVER, JESUS clearly placed HIMSELF in the will of the FATHER. None of this means that CHRIST would remain stranded or that HE had not once possessed all the qualities of the FATHER and the HOLY SPIRIT (including being everlasting). And this is where the book of Revelation comes into play. Revelation of what/whom? John isn't being revealed. And this is were the Witnesses play their agenda card. They deny CHRIST because they would even deny that THEIR "ALMIGHTY" GOD is omnipresent --- though the following verses indicate otherwise (Psalm 139:7-1, I Kings 8:27, Isaiah 66:1, Ephesians 4:6, Proverbs 15:3, Acts 17:26-27, Jeremiah 23:23-24, Hebrews 4:13). So let us look at the FIRST chapter of Revelation and see exactly who is being revealed following below:

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[LittleNipper]

Revelation 1​

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1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Revelation 22:18-19 contains a strong warning against altering the text of the Book of Revelation. It states that anyone who adds to or takes away from the words of the prophecy will face divine consequences, specifically having plagues added to them or having their share in the tree of life and holy city taken away​

So, there you have it. JESUS is CHRIST/MESSIAH and is in fact ALMIGHTY. And HE holds the keys. The Witnesses stand condemned of tampering even with the book of Revelation in promotion of their humanly inspired philosophy regarding the capabilities of GOD, and HIS eternal attributes, and the divine essence of the GODHEAD. Read Revelation 22:18 & 19​