http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...-says/&usg=AFQjCNFf3WQhdDLZEafoYwJnpp6Uytpu5Q
This article illustrates a problem with public ( not private ) unions. People who work for government and police especially should not be able to skirt the law and receive special treatment because they have access to expensive legal muscle via unions paid for by tax payer dollars.
In this article it is explained that hundreds of police who have been dismissed for crimes against the public have been rehired due to legal shenanigans. It is impossible to get rid of even the worst of the psychopath's who commit violent crimes against innocent civilians because of the powerful unions who protect them. Some of these psychopath's have been found guilty of victimizing people time and again and yet their departments are powerless to fire them.
Our entire system has become as corrupt as any third world country....
Unions paid for by "tax dollars?"
The Unions are paid for by members, and where applicable, fair-share employees...from THEIR wages.
What "Tax dollars" are involved?
Unions paid for by "tax dollars?"
The Unions are paid for by members, and where applicable, fair-share employees...from THEIR wages.
What "Tax dollars" are involved?
Well, when they negotiate higher wages, with the danger of a strike as a result, then....
While I agree that the police do indeed get away with to much, I can't begrudge them their union. Because there is a flipside to the coin, unions protect the majority of cops who play by the rules from people who don't. I wouldn't begrudge a surgeon malpractice insurance, or a murderer adequate legal council at his own trial. So I can't sign off on taking officers right to unionize. Now we can address specific concerns you may have about the unions, which policies are necessary and which aren't. There is always room for improvement, especially with unions.
While I agree that the police do indeed get away with to much, I can't begrudge them their union. Because there is a flipside to the coin, unions protect the majority of cops who play by the rules from people who don't. I wouldn't begrudge a surgeon malpractice insurance, or a murderer adequate legal council at his own trial. So I can't sign off on taking officers right to unionize. Now we can address specific concerns you may have about the unions, which policies are necessary and which aren't. There is always room for improvement, especially with unions.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...-says/&usg=AFQjCNFf3WQhdDLZEafoYwJnpp6Uytpu5Q
This article illustrates a problem with public ( not private ) unions. People who work for government and police especially should not be able to skirt the law and receive special treatment because they have access to expensive legal muscle via unions paid for by tax payer dollars.
In this article it is explained that hundreds of police who have been dismissed for crimes against the public have been rehired due to legal shenanigans. It is impossible to get rid of even the worst of the psychopath's who commit violent crimes against innocent civilians because of the powerful unions who protect them. Some of these psychopath's have been found guilty of victimizing people time and again and yet their departments are powerless to fire them.
Our entire system has become as corrupt as any third world country....
And where do their wages come from??? Tax dollars.... follow the money.
...and where do your profits/wages come from? At least some from government employees. So by extension according to your position...tax dollars. :coffeepap:
You are being irrationally dishonest, but that is simply the liberal mindset.... My wages come from the voluntary purchase of goods and services in the free market, not the forced theft of tax dollars by the threat of violence.
And where do their wages come from??? Tax dollars.... follow the money.
Sooo, when the government worker "voluntarily purchases your goods and services" with his wages, or the government agency uses tax dollars to buy supplies or rent equipment from your "free market" business...they suddenly turn into "non-tax" dollars?
But those same wages earned by those same government workers paid into their unions...THOSE wages are still "tax dollars"???
Who's being "irrationally dishonest" now? :roll:
So by your line of reasoning, once a dollar has been a tax dollar it remains a tax dollar forever? Is that your logic? If it is, it is terribly flawed. A tax dollar is what the GOVERNMENT does with the dollar it stole from the taxpayer. Since the union is basically part of the government system, it is simply another government expenditure paid for by the taxpayer.
You are being irrationally dishonest, but that is simply the liberal mindset.... My wages come from the voluntary purchase of goods and services in the free market, not the forced theft of tax dollars by the threat of violence.
I support private sector unions not public. I agree that police, teachers unions etc, should be abolished.
The reason is when negotiating wages with a private company, if the union demands are too high, the company fails and both the owners and workers lose. In a public union, the government has to go bankrupt for both parties to lose. There is no pressure to keep public union wages "fair." With private sector unions there is the profitability constraint.
And the problem of public sector pensions killing municipalities is a direct result of this.
Moreover, public unions don't make sense in a democracy. If you work for the government and you're a citizen then you're a worker and an owner.
Well, when they negotiate higher wages, with the danger of a strike as a result, then....
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...-says/&usg=AFQjCNFf3WQhdDLZEafoYwJnpp6Uytpu5Q
This article illustrates a problem with public ( not private ) unions. People who work for government and police especially should not be able to skirt the law and receive special treatment because they have access to expensive legal muscle via unions paid for by tax payer dollars.
In this article it is explained that hundreds of police who have been dismissed for crimes against the public have been rehired due to legal shenanigans. It is impossible to get rid of even the worst of the psychopath's who commit violent crimes against innocent civilians because of the powerful unions who protect them. Some of these psychopath's have been found guilty of victimizing people time and again and yet their departments are powerless to fire them.
Our entire system has become as corrupt as any third world country....
So by your line of reasoning, once a dollar has been a tax dollar it remains a tax dollar forever? Is that your logic? If it is, it is terribly flawed. A tax dollar is what the GOVERNMENT does with the dollar it stole from the taxpayer. Since the union is basically part of the government system, it is simply another government expenditure paid for by the taxpayer.
All public sector unions needs to be abolished.
Nooo... :no:
that is apparently YOUR logic.
How else do you explain calling wages earned by government workers spent on unions "tax dollars" but those same wages spent buying your products "non-tax dollars?"
Aren't those welfare checks used to buy your products "tax dollars?"
How about contractors who are paid "tax dollars" to do government projects who buy your products?
When do they stop being "tax dollars" to YOU?
To me, once expended in wages, welfare payments, and contract fees...they turn into personal income just like those profits in your business.
lol Captain Adverse has a liberal mindset? He's the only Trump supporter on here that even comes close to defending that loon with any effectiveness. So that jab is a swing and a miss.
No, it is not. It is paid for by their members just like a private Union.
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