You know who is responsible for single mother households?The trap is called the welfare state that destroyed the 2 parent family and created a culture dependent on the government. The main cause of poverty and crime is the single mother
Real blank:The American government as a whole decided to give way too much power to the executive branch over the last few decades.
SoccerCoach:The trap is called the welfare state that destroyed the 2 parent family and created a culture dependent on the government. The main cause of poverty and crime is the single mother
I can’t help but roll my eyes at those who blame the government and welfare and single Moms - instead of the men that these women made children with and no longer want to be associated with and/or have found that they cannot depend on to actually raise and support the children they create.SoccerCoach:
Ah, the new "original sin" articulated by the coach. Let's not blame the dead-beat dads or the people exploiting poor working mothers. That would be inappropriate and might endanger exploitation and male irresponsibility. In India, one of the solutions which breached an escape hole for intergenerational poverty was a well-thought out micro-loan programme targeted at single or de facto single women used to start up micro businesses which raised both children and their mothers out of the deepest circles of poverty. But hey, go ahead and blame single moms and not any other actors in this process.
Evilroddy.
BirdinHand:I can’t help but roll my eyes at those who blame the government and welfare and single Moms - instead of the men that these women made children with and no longer want to be associated with and/or have found that they cannot depend on to actually raise and support the children they create.
Nope…it’s the women who do the work of 2 parents that are to blame
Bolding above is mine.The other thing that I think is really interesting—I’ll just riff on this a little bit about teaching a man to fish—is the origins of it. So today you hear it, and the way we interpret it is it’s saying, like, Don’t just give people money, because they’re not going to use it in ways that have a lasting benefit. It’s important to kind of help them in these other ways, which I think is just empirically untrue.
But actually, if you trace it back, the first place that I’ve been able to find it, it shows up in this Victorian novelist Anne Thackeray Ritchie, and she has this ironic character in one of her novels saying that the reason that we don’t do these things is because affluent people really don’t want it. They said you could really help somebody make progress, but affluent people would feel uncomfortable with that—it would upend the social order. So it’s funny that the origins of the term are actually this critique of inequality and of people’s unwillingness to—
I think you need to re-examine cause and effect. The gig culture where individuals can seamlessly switch jobs is a good example of Social Mobility. It's more an act of financial desperation by participants. The only one getting rich is select companies (uber, lyft, door dash, etc) that use it as the central part of their business strategy.That’s not what experience shows. The countries with the highest social mobility in the world are the most robust welfare states. They also happen to be the happiest societies in the world
“Denmark ranks top of the World Economic Forum’s new Global Social Mobility Index, which finds the five Nordic nations and parts of Europe outperform the rest of the world when it comes to giving everyone the chance to succeed.”
Why The Nordic Countries Are the Happiest in the World – The Nordic Mum
Why the Nordic countries are the happiest in the world? What can we learn from The Nordics? My decoding of the World Happiness Report.www.thenordicmum.com
Ah, another aggressively uninformed poster joins the fray without doing the homework. An "F" on your first assignment. Inauspicious.The trap is called the welfare state that destroyed the 2 parent family and created a culture dependent on the government. The main cause of poverty and crime is the single mother
What does the success of the Nordic economic model have to do with gig culture?I think you need to re-examine cause and effect. The gig culture where individuals can seamlessly switch jobs is a good example of Social Mobility. It's more an act of financial desperation by participants. The only one getting rich is select companies (uber, lyft, door dash, etc) that use it as the central part of their business strategy.
70% of divorces are initiated by the women but go ahead and blame the man.SoccerCoach:
Ah, the new "original sin" articulated by the coach. Let's not blame the dead-beat dads or the people exploiting poor working mothers. That would be inappropriate and might endanger exploitation and male irresponsibility. In India, one of the solutions which breached an escape hole for intergenerational poverty was a well-thought out micro-loan programme targeted at single or de facto single women used to start up micro businesses which raised both children and their mothers out of the deepest circles of poverty. But hey, go ahead and blame single moms and not any other actors in this process. Enjoy wallowing in a Calvinist version of the Protestant Work Ethic where women are blamed for the short comings of others and which kills poor women and children by the hundreds of millions.
Evilroddy.
I do70% of divorces are initiated by the women but go ahead and blame the man.
I endorse all of this. Especially the bolded.
I also found this quote from the article to be a good thinking point.
"So maybe a good sort of broad way to think about it is: It’s good to not be looking for, sort of, the solution and saying, What is the path that people need to walk? and more thinking about, like, What are the right paths for a given person in a given context, and how can we accelerate that and help them along that? As opposed to coming in expecting there to be one thing that’ll work well for everybody."
From 1981 to 2019, the share of the global population living in extreme poverty fell from 44 percent to just 9 percent—an astronomical achievement."
For centuries, mass poverty seemed inevitable. Starvation, disease, death. As late as the 1700s, roughly half of children globally would die before reaching adulthood. This was the natural order of things.
I do
Women wouldn’t seek a divorce because the man is a great husband and father.
They seek a divorce because often they feel as though it’s another “child” in the house - someone they have to take care of instead of someone that makes their life more enjoyable and easier.
They may hang in there when kids are young, but they get out as soon as they can because they don’t want to have to “parent” their partner.
We had spaghetti three times this week!What does the success of the Nordic economic model have to do with gig culture?
You’d be wrong. I chose well and my husband is absolutely amazing.Lol
Let me guess. Your boyfriend/husband was a sociopath.
We chuckel about this all the time. Every women tells and believes they were victims of a sociopath. It's too funny.
Do their boyfriend/husband was a sociopath. Got it. LolYou’d be wrong. I chose well and my husband is absolutely amazing..
I relay what I hear from friends and acquaintances that have opted to get divorced. That often remark that if their husbands were like mine, they never would have even thought about leaving.
The world would be a better place if more men had the type of integrity my husband has.
Not sociopath….that’s your word and desired explanation.Do their boyfriend/husband was a sociopath. Got it. Lol
Not sociopath.
Just lazy and/or unwilling to do what it takes to make them happy and be a true partner instead of a burden.
But hey, if labeling people makes you feel better, go for it
This really is a sea-change in the human condition. I think in the future, historians will look at the rise of the industrial revolution in the same way they look at something like the rise of agriculture ~10,000 years ago, or the rise of civilization ~6000 years ago.
Well, breaking out the “every” qualifier gets this post dismissed as conjecture and bullshit immediately.It's not me labeling. It is the buzz word in relationship counseling now.
Every girl/women claims her boyfriend/husband was a narcissist sociopath.
Well, breaking out the “every” qualifier gets this post dismissed as conjecture and bullshit immediately.
You made this up.It's not me labeling. It is the buzz word in relationship counseling now.
Every girl/women claims her boyfriend/husband was a narcissist sociopath.
Yeah, bullshit as usual - it’s expected from many of your posts.Lol
You understood me perfectly well.
To push back a bit on a couple of canards. The vast, vast majority of "welfare" recipients (a deliberately vague epithet) are short term recipients. Per HHS, "The majority of families who leave the welfare system do so after a relatively short period of time, about half leave within a year; 70 percent within two years and almost 90 percent within five years." So the "trap" is small, or, at best, ineffectual as a tapping agent.I agree with an aversion to monocausalism. Ultimately there is no One Neat Trick To Make Everyone A Success In Life (in a policy context), though there are certainly policies (see above) that set the conditions for greater success.
* I do argue there are policy changes we could make that would remove barriers to success that help keep people down (and there is such a thing as a welfare trap), as well as policy changes we could make that would result in the wide majority of our people becoming financially independent.
For each individual's specific case, though - all we can do at the policy level is make the best structures that incentivize, reward, and enable wise decisions. At the individual level, that's not something I think Government can do effectively or efficiently.
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