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The Liberal's War on Science

LowDown

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I slam Scientific American in these fora, what, 2 days ago? and here I am quoting from them. Oh well, when they're right they're right.

Conservatives have no monopoly on the stupid:

The Liberals' War on Science - Scientific American

And here's one from Reason Magazine:

The Left's Bad Ideas About Science Are More Harmful Than the Right's - Reason.com

The only proof anyone needs that liberals are as anti-scientific as anyone who came down the pike is in Whole Foods, where the most incredible pseudoscientific claims are being made to sell stuff, and progressives just eat it up:

Whole Foods: America's Temple of Pseudoscience - The Daily Beast
 
Scientific American used to be such a great magazine - back when they still devoted a page or two to "The Amateur Scientist" and before some editor decided to make political "science" a focus.
 

So who's left? Is there room anywhere in your country for reason and intelligence?
 

*sigh*

Here we go with the false equivalencies again. Yes, many liberals don't agree with mainstream scientific thought...but your own references show that the percentage of liberals who disagree with mainstream scientific thought is significantly SMALLER than the percentage of conservatives who disagree with mainstream scientific thought.

But this is nothing new - I've long since learned that in conservative fantasy land, a liberal molehill of wrong is precisely equal to a conservative mountain of wrong.
 

I agree wholeheartedly with you Lowdown. The idiots in wholefoods that are buying homeopathic products or that somehow think organic produce is somehow more nutritious than other produce are as idiotic and utterly stupid as the the idiots that believe in climate change conspiracies, or that climate change is made up pseudo science, or that evolution isn't true, or the global flood etc.


Thanks for pointing that out
 

I think what you really have a problem with is that a lot of **** is made up in order to sell stuff to people with irrational fears. Whether it's the church or the board room, it's a dirty game to deceive the masses.

And, yes, there is a certain brand of liberal who is so concerned (ie., fearful) about things that they are easy rubes for anyone with a fake study. I think what you're talking about is dogma and there's no shortage of takers on either side. The primary difference, I suppose, is the natural trust that some liberals have of anything with the pretense of scientific credentials as opposed to the natural credulity of conservatives toward anything religious. Actually, the PRIMARY difference is that false scientific claims can be proven to be false and false religious claims cannot...ever.

Even with the number of lies in each camp, I'll take science over religion any day as a way to get rational answers.
 
mixing science and politics is always bad and ugly and brings out the worst in people, in my opinion. you are immediately put in group A(science can fix everything) or group B(religion trumps science). never any middle ground, never anywhere to compromise. It's depressing really
 

Sometimes you can tell just from a thread title that it is going to fail miserably, and probably be painfully stupid. This is one of those cases. Let's look at that scientific American article(reason and the daily beast are not exactly places I go to to find out about science, I leave that to those who want people to tell them what they want to hear):


So to start with, the left's war on science is, in part, because not all of them believe in man made global warming and evolution. Not as many as the right, but still some.
 


Left:
anti-vaxxers - very small minority
anti-GMOers - also small miority
anti-nuclear - This is exaggerated. Most acknowledge technology has made it a lot safer.
anti-fracking - for good reason

Right:
anti-vaxxers - very small minority
anti-GMOers - also small miority
anti-evolution - because god
anti-stem cell - god said something that someone else interpreted as "every human cell is sacred until it is born", so learn to live with brain damage and the incurable diseases that cause it.
anti-global warming - where did the snowcaps that used to top all those mountains go? The Grinch probably stole them!
Fossils were put there to test your faith
A womans body shuts down during legitimate rape so she can't get pregnant.
I know there's more, but I haven't the time....


Anti-Vaxxers are bipartisan


Hmm...34%R and 22%D, we can probably get away with calling this strictly a conservative thing, right?


By this standard, things like anti-vaxx and anti-GMO never made to any parties platform, and thus can't really be said to be taken seriously by the actual political parties in question. You want to talk about the beliefs of the fringe, well that could be entertaining.
 

Practically no one is "anti-science". A great many people doubt one scientific dogma or another, but no one is against science as a concept.
 

No, there's not that much difference. Read the article from Scientific American I linked. For example, they claim that 58% of conservatives are creationists vs. 41% of liberals. Not exactly a huge difference.
 

"Still some". 41% is "some". The author's take on it is different. "These numbers do not exactly bolster the common belief that liberals are the people of the science book."

Sorry, but the "facts and reason based community" meme is mortally wounded.
 
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