The law and the state is stupid in this part of the woods

Copil pianist de geniu, somat de ANAF s

I shall describe what is happening.

The state is mocking a 12 years old genious pianist player. The child who is very talented and has earned a scholarship from the state hasn't been receiving the money from the scholarship for 2 months now, so basically since school started (It's peanuts really, barely 10 euros/month). Yet, when he got paid nearly 100 euros to do a concert at the Opera House in Iasi (4th largest RO city), the state then summoned him to court to pay taxes on that "income". if he does not pay the money "owed" to the state which is really like... 5 euros because that's what it amounts to, he may get criminal record when he becomes an adult in 6 years and the state will get their money the "hard way".

So the kid hasn't been getting his scholarship. He has done a concert because he's gifted as all hell... and now the state will humiliate him and make him pay for it. For being a 12 years old genious pianist.

Maybe it's just me, maybe i'm stupid ,but I just can't really understand this mentality. I just can't. And the lovely thing is the argumentation that Director for Finances in Iasi (the guy who takes your money) makes, and I will translate as closely as possible.

"Let the parents come over here, lets discuss and let's see what is going on over there, because I don't know who the child is, how can I know who the child is? Let them come, we'll talk, we look at the files and if there is something wrong, we will make corrections but if TEH LAW says that he has to pay then he has to pay. Mister, I don't judge the state, I apply TEH LAW. If TEH LAW says that he has to pay, he MUST PAY, if TEH LAW says he doesn't have to pay, he won't pay. "

Yes... the director of regional finances doens't know that there is a brilliant pianist in his god damn city is. it's like Iasi produces dozens of genius 12 years old pianists every year and it's just impossible to keep track of them all. It's like an every day occurance. There are more genius pianists in Romania than there are brown bears and we have the largest population of brown bears in Europe so that's something.

This is why bureaucracy, stuffy, stupid bureaucracy doesn't work. It makes people drones. Stupid. Idiotic. Disconnected. If you occupy a public office, an important public office, try at least to be informed about what's happening around you. I'm not a public person but I regularly check local news bulletins, see what's happening at the Opera or what plays are at the theater. What's happening at the students' club... what's going on at the libraries around town, is there a book sale, something. I mean, I try to be connected to the pulse of the city.

But no... I'm sure mister Grigoriu prefers listening to this(gypsy music):

Rather than this:

I hate these sort of people.

Someone needs to cut back on their Pálinka rations and pay the kid. I like Pálinka by the way, especially plum.

Rainman05 said:

But no... I'm sure mister Grigoriu prefers listening to this(gypsy music):

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That was not a very good example you gave. Maybe he does like it. Why not?

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The name Rom comes from the Indian word dom,
which means man (Kenrick 1998). From having lived in Romania for the majority of my
life, I can attest that the word Gypsy has very negative connotations. Being called a
Gypsy is offensive and there is a certain stigma which comes with this title. It implies
that the person is of a low social class, a thief and a cheat

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http://via.library.depaul.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1098&context=etd

alexa said:

That was not a very good example you gave. Maybe he does like it. Why not?

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Actually what I gave is the perfect example of gypsy music and the people who like this kind of music are the same people who behave in rather disgusting manners all over the western world. the same people who make Romania look like a third world country full of idiots and ignorants. In other words, the people who the french pay to have sent back are the people who listen to gypsy music and the ethnic romanians who cause problems in other places also listen to gypsy music known as "manele".

So that's why it's bad. Really bad. And the term gypsy is the only correct term. When the "gyspy king" crowned himself as such, he crowned himself the gypsy king, not the rroma king. This term rroma was only created to drive the PC-crippled into more of the same crap and it permitted gypsies to siphon more sympathy from the general population. That's it. It's a PR strategy that works on idiots.

Rainman05 said:

Actually what I gave is the perfect example of gypsy music and the people who like this kind of music are the same people who behave in rather disgusting manners all over the western world. the same people who make Romania look like a third world country full of idiots and ignorants. In other words, the people who the french pay to have sent back are the people who listen to gypsy music and the ethnic romanians who cause problems in other places also listen to gypsy music known as "manele".

So that's why it's bad. Really bad. And the term gypsy is the only correct term. When the "gyspy king" crowned himself as such, he crowned himself the gypsy king, not the rroma king. This term rroma was only created to drive the PC-crippled into more of the same crap and it permitted gypsies to siphon more sympathy from the general population. That's it. It's a PR strategy that works on idiots.

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What you compared was a man signing in a voice none of us understand to a child playing an instrument. You could easily have provided good instrumental playing by Roma people. You chose not.

The name Rom comes from the Indian word dom,
which means man (Kenrick 1998). From having lived in Romania for the majority of my
life, I can attest that the word Gypsy has very negative connotations. Being called a
Gypsy is offensive and there is a certain stigma which comes with this title. It implies
that the person is of a low social class, a thief and a cheat

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http://via.library.depaul.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1098&context=etd


You have never mentioned how you kept them as slaves for 500 years, ending in only 1864 and that when they were released they were given no compensation whatsoever to start their lives again. I dare say given the situation many had to steal to get the tools and materials in order to try and earn a living which they did using the only skills they had - those they were used for while in slavery and still they were treated as beneath everyone and randomly killed, resulting in them grouping together for survival. My quote mentions how in Romania the word 'gypsy' refers to types of activity - to people who are considered the lowest social class, thieves cheats, not to the Roma themselves. I was interested also while reading about your history with the Roma that if a non Roma man had a relationship with a Roma woman or made her pregnant, he himself became a slave. Slaves could not actually be killed without a reason being presented, albeit the most trivial but torture to death was considered acceptable.

Is it true as I heard on my tv from a Roma journalist during that fiasco over the Roma child in Greece that Romanian police still use the Roma for target practice?

It is centuries of barbaric mistreatment which needs to be addressed. The Roma are the most persecuted European people - along with the Jews in the past, but for the Roma the situation goes on. It is understandable fear of acknowledging their rights and equal status as human beings given the history where associating with the Roma resulted in one becoming a slave that this fear is still deeply entrenched. However it does not excuse it.

alexa said:

What you compared was a man signing in a voice none of us understand to a child playing an instrument. You could easily have provided good instrumental playing by Roma people. You chose not.

That's because their main instrument is their mouth.

http://via.library.depaul.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1098&context=etd


You have never mentioned how you kept them as slaves for 500 years, ending in only 1864 and that when they were released they were given no compensation whatsoever to start their lives again. I dare say given the situation many had to steal to get the tools and materials in order to try and earn a living which they did using the only skills they had - those they were used for while in slavery and still they were treated as beneath everyone and randomly killed, resulting in them grouping together for survival. My quote mentions how in Romania the word 'gypsy' refers to types of activity - to people who are considered the lowest social class, thieves cheats, not to the Roma themselves. I was interested also while reading about your history with the Roma that if a non Roma man had a relationship with a Roma woman or made her pregnant, he himself became a slave. Slaves could not actually be killed without a reason being presented, albeit the most trivial but torture to death was considered acceptable.

Is it true as I heard on my tv from a Roma journalist during that fiasco over the Roma child in Greece that Romanian police still use the Roma for target practice?

It is centuries of barbaric mistreatment which needs to be addressed. The Roma are the most persecuted European people - along with the Jews in the past, but for the Roma the situation goes on. It is understandable fear of acknowledging their rights and equal status as human beings given the history where associating with the Roma resulted in one becoming a slave that this fear is still deeply entrenched. However it does not excuse it.

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Oh you're gonna get it so bad now. I actually did reply to this: http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...garia-were-denied-entry-2.html#post1062386880

Slavery. The territories of what is today Romania had no slavery until the mid 1200s when the mongols came along. They occupied what is today Moldavia and eastern Romania and brought slavery with them. It was the mongols who first brought the gypsies as slaves and did slave trade. It wasn't like the gyspies came along free and independent and then they were enslaved in Romania. They were brought as slaves. Now starting from the 1400s the territories of Romania, particularly Wallachia which is southern Romania, also implemented slavery by full statute. This means that wallachians could also be slaves. The reason this happened was because Wallachia fell under the influence of the Ottoman Empire and with the few exceptions of limited periods of independence, until the mid 1800s Wallachia was, for 80% of the time, under the Ottomans' sphere of influence and had to play by the rules they dictated.

Now it's important to note that some kind of slavery did exist in the romanian territories before the mongol invasion and before the ottoman influence but it was called: Iobagie. The main differences are that "iobagii" had rights as much as the peasantry had them back then and they were bound to the land that they worked on. They were bound to the land, not the nobility who owned the land. So if another "boyar" would own a land with 100 "iobagi" in it, those people would work for him, not for the other nobleman. So it wasn't ownership of people, it was ownership of the land to which people were bound to.

Now slavery was abolished in the 1800s due to 2 motives.
1) the revolt at 1820 which ended a rather horrible period called the "phanariot period" in Wallachia. This basically restored a greater degree of autonomy in the romanian principalities of that time (wallachia and to some degree moldavia).
2) 1848. This was the famous year of revolutions which happened all across Europe, and romania is no different. It was after this that for the first time since 1600 that the Romanian principalities became both united and independent of all foreign influences, particularly the ottoman one with the election of A.I. Cuza. So what did Romania do after it gained it's independence and it's first union? Freed all the slaves including the gypsies and started the first integration programs, which had limited success. So Romanians freed their slaves the first chance they got. We're also among the first countries in the world to start programs specifically for the integration of the gypsies.

So you see. I don't expect people from abroad to know history of Romania. After all, it's not expected of them it's just a small little eastern european country. But I do take offense when someone comes in and tries to lecture me on my history which I know so well.

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You just never replied back to me because as I said, you know jack.

No. LoL. If anything, the gypsies use each other as target practice.

It is far better to be a gypsy in Romania than to be a romanian. They don't pay taxes and nobody complains. They build palaces without permits, and nobody complains. I can't plant a tree in my own backyward without a license to put it figuratively.
You come here with some poorly-formed ideas, forged in the context of political correctness, which doesn't fly with me. And the reason they don't is because I know a lot... like a lot about all the things you claim to know of. And the reality is I understand gypsy society far better than you do because I don't look at it through rose-tinted glasses, I look at it the way it really is.

And the gypsy is not an activity, it's an ethnicity. It's what PC-cripples call rroma people. There is no such thing as roma. it doesn't exist in truth, it only exists in the PC world, in truth, there is just gypsies. or gippos in ireland or tsiganis in spain or whatever. The word roma is actually ,the derogatory term here because it's calling a group of people something they're not.

If that kid plays piano better than Django Reinhardt played guitar, then OP has a point.

I'd hard for me to be clear with the complication of translation from a language I have zero knowledge of but I don't see how your entirely negative spin on this is justified on the basis of the article you linked.

It mentioned that the scholarship hasn't been paid but doesn't even try to explain why so I don't see how that can be assumed to be relevant to anything else.

The tax/royalties payment required on the concert fee is presumably a standard fee for performers (I'd expect it to say otherwise) and I see no reason why the boys age, his particular talent or anything else should exempt him from it. I'd also question whether the finances are quite as simple as is being made out anyway. Is it really a payment to the boy directly or a payment to his parents or management on his behalf?

Finally, the comment from the official you translated suggests that he wants to talk to the parents to discuss the situation, which seems perfectly reasonable in the circumstances. Ultimately though, for all your dismissal of "the law", if there is a tax on money earned, from performances or in general terms, I see no reason why it shouldn't be paid in this specific case.

I'll do you the credit of brushing over the racist undertones of your posts so hope you'll do me the credit of keeping them out of any replies to me.