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One personality attribute of those who embrace conservatism is the need for control. Democracy requires adherents who will settle for their way half the time and the assumption that for they other half there must be good reason. Sort of respect for the wisdom of most people.
What, frankly, irritates me is that conservative media moguls have tried to sell the idea that because they don't respect democracy, America is not one. They offer the alternative of a "republic" which is a totally unrelated concept.
Bogus.
Absolutely. I learned a long time ago that anytime I say anything about the US being a "democracy" to preempt the "we are not a democracy we are a republic" argument in advanced by explaining that we are a "respresentative democracy that operates within a republic framework".
I think they just do that because they are losing the argument so they make a strawman argument to chance the topic.
You're not listening if you haven't heard greedy ass libs obsessing over he wealth of "the 1 percent".
And what are greedy-as libs? People who have craven desire for wealth than they have t earned and have no right to. Greed is wanting more than you deserve and that's what people who want wealth redistribution are guilty of; greed.
It happens because people on the left try to argue that we are a democracy and, therefore, whatever the majority says goes. That's not he way this country works and pure democracy like that has never worked well. The majority just can't vote to redistribute the wealth of the minority. Or to suppress any other rights of the minority.
Liberals that I know object to extreme wealth inequity as it's demonstrably dysfunctional to society.
I told you that one of my heroes is Bill Gates. He recognizes that his accumulation of wealth should be reinvested in the world that produced it.
"People who have craven desire for wealth than they have t earned and have no right to. Greed is wanting more than you deserve and that's what people who want wealth redistribution are guilty of; greed."
A bizarre collection of words. In fact, you seem to be the poster boy for wealth as a source of envy. I don't need any of your money and am certainly not jealous of the wealthy, many of whom seem profoundly unhappy to me.
I do want a society that works adequately for as many people as possible. We used to have it here. Conservative government, business, and religion are threats to passing what's worthwhile on to my grandchildren. I want them to have, at the very least, a life as satisfying as I have.
Not too much to ask.
In my experience only wealthy people obsess over wealth.
One of my many personal heroes is Bill Gates. He played his hand as well as anyone, bettered the business world for half his life and is now bettering the entire world with his fortune.
What, frankly, irritates me is that conservative media moguls have tried to sell the idea that because they don't respect democracy, America is not one. They offer the alternative of a "republic" which is a totally unrelated concept.
We still have a very functional society. Our poor have not truly gotten any poorer just because the rich are getting richer. It's pretty silly to assume there is something sinister and wrong about the people who are best at creating wealth getting wealthier while the people most definite NOT good at creating wealth aren't. There is no reason why we should expect the income of burger flippers to increase at the same ratio as entrepreneurs and investors. It's ridiculous.
You really haven't studies the founding of the USA have you? Or much about it's government, eh? It become more obvious with each post.
But I guess when one see's their job in life to force government to steal from those they are jealous of and give to them, all the tiny details don't matter, as long as they get their check.
...There is no reason why we should expect the income of burger flippers to increase at the same ratio as entrepreneurs and investors. It's ridiculous.
Those who spend all their time talking about how 'unfair' it is that the wealthy are wealthy are the only one's obsessing.
Bill gates started as a lying con man that stole the work of others, and to this day he has used his ill gotten gains to maintain his empire and force people to pay too much for crap software.
Sure, there is no reason we should expect that. But it would improve our economy and create more wealth, if it happened.
We can create whatever we want, a good economy or a bad economy. It's our choice, and I do believe that most of us would prefer a good economy.
You are almost completely wrong about everything in this post.
Thats mostly conservatives who spend their time talking about how it is "unfair" that rich people have to pay more in taxes than the non-rich.
There you go. A conservative talking about how "unfair" it is that someone got wealthy, and how that wealth was "ill gotten" and how we are all forced to pay too much for his products. Interesting.
If you're getting what you're worth, what does it matter if someone else who invented the miracle super-widget desired by every man, woman and child on the planet gets paid the fortune that he earns? Wealth inequality is only unjust if it is a result of force.
You work and your neighbor doesn't. You get rich and he doesn't. No matter how much more wealth you create than your neighbor it is not unjust. It would be unjust if your neighbor was, by some force of law, not permitted to create his own wealth but that's not the case here. So why does any extent of wealth inequality become unjust? I find the hope diamond. How much of my wealth is unjust?
No worries about a "French Revolution" here. Losers have always wanted to eat the rich here and everywhere else but since we subsidize losers and no one goes hungry in this country the OWS wet dreams you seem to have aren't going to materialize. Besides, you lefties would need to wait till you have a lot more. Success with your gun grabbing agenda before you march with your pitchforks but, Enjoy your fantasies, though. Everyone has to have a dream.
If you are 'sure' of it, then you haven't done much studying of the founding of our nation or how we got there, as it has nothing to do with the people having 'joy' in their lives.
If this was true wouldn't you be here hear a whole lot less than you are?Read 'em and weep boys.
The assets that were once in the pockets of middle America now rest in the fat bank accounts of the top 5% of the fatcats that have you guys bamboozled.
Hey, that's just the way it is. It needs to be fixed. I'm working my ass off to try to keep what I got in MY pocket, in MY pocket. You wanna roll over and blow the rich, go for it.
LOL. This is humor at its dumbest.Well, it either gets passed to the middle class or the government gets starved and essentially needs to cease specific services/programs which I think is the real motive behind today's GOP.
LOL. This is humor at its dumbest.
No worries about a "French Revolution" here. Losers have always wanted to eat the rich here and everywhere else but since we subsidize losers and no one goes hungry in this country the OWS wet dreams you seem to have aren't going to materialize. Besides, you lefties would need to wait till you have a lot more. Success with your gun grabbing agenda before you march with your pitchforks but, Enjoy your fantasies, though. Everyone has to have a dream.
I certainly hope that you are right.
I don't understand this sentence. "Losers have always wanted to eat the rich here"
I'm pretty sure that was said at Versailles too.
Do you really believe that all who aren't wealthy are losers and there are no wealthy losers?
What a bizarre world you live in.
Value is a variable thing, changing with conditions.
Not that it takes a lot to see "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." written write into the Declaration of Independence.
It doesn't matter what a river does, flipping burgers in NEVER $15 an hour work. It's unskilled labor, at the bottom of the pool. Want more? Do better for oneself.
There is so much ignorance in the above statement it's simply amazing.
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