The Jesus Sacrifice Thing

[calamity]

I don't see it either.

Surely you can find a better article to defend religion.

Personally, I think it's pretty much a wash.......meaning that religion causes some good actions and some bad actions and is a null factor in the end.

It may make the good in us better but it also may make the bad in us worse.

I'm not really defending religion. I am making the argument that the mind needs a "belief system" to thrive.

Let's look at alcoholics. We have three options:

1. I'm a drunk and there is nothing I can do about it because....genes, fate, etc.
2. I am a drunk but I have the will to change.
3. I am a drunk but I am not strong enough to change on my own. So, I will seek help.

Which of those three will succeed? I posit number 3 has the best chance; 2 has a slight chance, but it's a hard road, and 1 has no chance at all.

A support system is essential. Now, ask yourself this. Does it matter if your support system is a group of other recovering drunks, or can an "imaginary friend" be all the support the person needs? I say the latter is fine for many, especially if the latter comes along with the former. In fact, having both, recovering drunks and an imaginary friend, greatly increases the chances that the drunk will sober up.

 

[devildavid]

lol..you don't see the correlation between the two? Too bad.

There is no correlation. And the study is deeply flawed.

 

[devildavid]

I'm not really defending religion. I am making the argument that the mind needs a "belief system" to thrive.

Let's look at alcoholics. We have three options:

1. I'm a drunk and there is nothing I can do about it because....genes, fate, etc.
2. I am a drunk but I have the will to change.
3. I am a drunk but I am not strong enough to change on my own. So, I will seek help.

Which of those three will succeed? I posit number 3 has the best chance; 2 has a slight chance, but it's a hard road, and 1 has no chance at all.

A support system is essential. Now, ask yourself this. Does it matter if your support system is a group of other recovering drunks, or can an "imaginary friend" be all the support the person needs? I say the latter is fine for many, especially if the latter comes along with the former. In fact, having both, recovering drunks and an imaginary friend, greatly increases the chances that the drunk will sober up.

There is no evidence to back this.

 

[calamity]

There is no evidence to back this.

Lol. You have got to be kidding. So, you know a lot of drunks who say they are powerless to quit who still managed to quit, do ya?

 

[Daisy]

lol..you don't see the correlation between the two? Too bad.

I get it, Calamity...the mind is a powerful organ, particularly positive thinking and if a person thinks they are enduring whatever for the good of a higher power, then it's ever stronger...that is no secret...

 

[RAMOSS]

I get it, Calamity...the mind is a powerful organ, particularly positive thinking and if a person thinks they are enduring whatever for the good of a higher power, then it's ever stronger...that is no secret...

Would you care to show that your claim is true. Let's see where you got your data, and see if the source has reliable data, is not using confirmation bias, and actually has a point to make.

 

[calamity]

Would you care to show that your claim is true. Let's see where you got your data, and see if the source has reliable data, is not using confirmation bias, and actually has a point to make.

You're kidding right?

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2016/12/optistic-women-live-longer-are-healthier/

 

[tosca1]

So, let me see if I got this right. God sends himself down as a person, who we call Jesus, only to kill himself so that we can all be forgiven for original sin, which we as individuals never had anything to do with anyway. Is that about right?

WTF?

Seriously. Does this crap make any sense to anyone who has not drank from the cup of giant Kool Aid?

Why would that make sense to you? You're talking about something you hardly read - and definitely doesn't understand.

Your own threads speak for themselves. You've posted so many things that don't make any sense.....:lol:

 

[calamity]

Why would that make sense to you? You're talking about something you hardly read - and definitely doesn't understand.

Your own threads speak for themselves. You've posted so many things that don't make any sense.....:lol:

Feel free to fill in the blanks.

 

[devildavid]

I get it, Calamity...the mind is a powerful organ, particularly positive thinking and if a person thinks they are enduring whatever for the good of a higher power, then it's ever stronger...that is no secret...

And sometimes they endure something that destroys them because of this "power" of belief. And sometimes the so-called negative thinker succeeds. It can cut both ways or not work at all. There is no magical power of the mind.