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The Hannibal Directive

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I don't know what to think of the information in the following link. It is about a protocol within the Israeli high command called, "The Hannibal Directive." Supposedly this instructs Israeli forces to do whatever is necessary to keep their soldiers from being taken prisoner, even if it leads to their death. In many ways, I can see some sense in such a protocol. Yet, why I am posting this has more to do with opening up a new voice in this arena. So many are often shut out, and the man that is writing this blog is one we would not typically hear, so entrenched are we in getting views only from favorite and easy to access sources.

What do you think?

Israel Murders IDF Soldier to Prevent His Capture Tikun-Olam Tikun Olam-
 
I think it's slightly disgusting, but much more justified and reasonable than Stalin's "not one step back" order which ended up in the countless death of hundreds of thousands.

But who knows, in the end "not one step back" worked, Germany was routed with the help of a rough winter.

Not enough time nor enough situations of this happening have gone by for me to fully judge this order, just like "not one step back" sometimes the most disgusting things can be the most necessary things to prevent the enemy from winning anything.
 
I think it's slightly disgusting, but much more justified and reasonable than Stalin's "not one step back" order which ended up in the countless death of hundreds of thousands.

But who knows, in the end "not one step back" worked, Germany was routed with the help of a rough winter.

Not enough time nor enough situations of this happening have gone by for me to fully judge this order, just like "not one step back" sometimes the most disgusting things can be the most necessary things to prevent the enemy from winning anything.

True. True. Good points. The case in point on Stalin is an interesting analogy. Yet, more than just this story, I found it intriguing to find this site at all, which has many other articles on the conflict from one Israeli Jew who seems to be very active in the peace movement.
 
True. True. Good points. The case in point on Stalin is an interesting analogy. Yet, more than just this story, I found it intriguing to find this site at all, which has many other articles on the conflict from one Israeli Jew who seems to be very active in the peace movement.

It's unfortunate how rare that site was, it did sound very authentic and caring to me.

It's been a while since I've truly a read an informative and (mostly) unbiased article, and I thank you for giving me the chance to read it without the (probably) 30 minutes of searching to get to it in the first place.
 
The author of the article, Richard Silverstink, is a Left-wing Jackass.
I debated this flake years ago several times on Charlie Rose message boards.

He's, as always, wrong.
....Implementation of the Hannibal Directive comes on the heels of the freeing of Gilad Shalit after five years in captivity. The nation freed 1,000 Palestinian prisoners in order to release Shalit. Israeli hardliners screamed bloody murder about freeing murderers with blood on their hands. Some said it would have been better if Shalit had died rather than face this ignominy.

I believe that Benny Gantz and Bibi Netanyahu aren’t prepared to go through such a trauma again. They believe their constituency would understand if they killed a soldier rather than lose him to capture. Let’s make no mistake about this: it is a purely political calculation. A nakedly, cynical political calculation. It suggests that the interests of the nation trump the life of the individual. These are considerations of an authoritarian state and not a democratic one. A democracy values the individual. It recognizes that the nation cannot exist without the individual. Even that the nation should not exist unless it respects and values that individual.

The Hannibal Directive perverts such principles. It embraces a fascist perspective in which the individual is subsumed within the mass. He has no specific individual value unless he is serving the interest of the nation. And his interests may, when necessary be sacrificed to the greater good."..
It's Not a "purely political calculation", it's a Lifesaving calculation.

A nation that is willing to exchange 1000 prisoners to get just One back, is Killing more people in the long run than it is saving in the short.
And these exchanges have happened before.
So, no doubt Commanders tell their soldiers to NOT get captured. It's a disastrous situation in "purely Lifesaving" terms.

This 'directive' is no doubt impressed on soldiers, knowing how grave it is to get caught.
But Not an airtight regulation/death sentence.
His examples were only of soldiers that could Not be gotten back with any exchange, not just because they were caught.
Are they issued Cyanide pills as say, our spy plane pilots were? No.
The Shalit example backfires on Silverstink.

Silverstink is a Left-wing Jerk blogger who got the idea for his website (TikkunOlam) from another Left-wing Jerk who thought of it first (the more famous 'Rabbi Moonbeam'/Michael Lerner of Tikkun.org).
It's amazing what a $15 Reg fee/website will do for otherwise not credible losers.
 
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The directive is not about killing the soldier. Its about killing the kidnappers. In other situations the rules of engagement are much more strict if innocent lives are at stake
 
The Shalit example backfires on Silverstink.

Yes, this ^

A nation that is willing to exchange 1000 prisoners to get just One back, is Killing more people in the long run than it is saving in the short.

It's crazy how fast time flies. It's been three years since the last time we discussed Shalits kidnapping. I was one who felt strongly that he should be released and allowed to go home without the obscene requests.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/middl...recedented-deal-schalit-2.html#post1059590104

I was fortunate enough to be in the same room as Gilad and listen to him speak in early 2013. Alon Ben-David was also there. He talked about the conditions that Hamas placed on Shalit’s release and the lengths they had to go to in getting him back home.

If only Hamas would care as much about their own people. That was Ben-Davids message and he's right in that regard.
 
Yes, this ^

It's crazy how fast time flies. It's been three years since the last time we discussed Shalits kidnapping. I was one who felt strongly that he should be released and allowed to go home without the obscene requests.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/middl...recedented-deal-schalit-2.html#post1059590104

I was fortunate enough to be in the same room as Gilad and listen to him speak in early 2013. Alon Ben-David was also there. He talked about the conditions that Hamas placed on Shalit’s release and the lengths they had to go to in getting him back home.

If only Hamas would care as much about their own people. That was Ben-Davids message and he's right in that regard.
I was initially shocked to get a 'like' from you on this. (I did hammer Silverstein)
But I shouldn't have been because as I have also said, your humanity trumps your partisanship.

The so-called directive makes alot of sense. Though Shalit was in no condition to be making heroic judgements, I know there are soldiers who would certainly consider at least a wild escape/kill-captor attempt if they knew 500 enemy combatants/potential combatants were going to be released. That's what soldiers do.

Coincidentally, I just caught the last 7 mins of this Medal of Honor ceremony from last Monday on c-span, as they run repeats on weekends:
Medal Honor Ceremony | Video | C-SPAN.org
Always humbling watch these.
It seems they're on alot the last few years.
 
I was initially shocked to get a 'like' from you on this. (I did hammer Silverstein)
But I shouldn't have been because as I have also said, your humanity trumps your partisanship.

The problem with the Silversteins and the Finklesteins of the world (as like many of the outspoken voices of the I/P conflict) is that whilst they do make some valid points, overall they don't offer commentary that takes into account both sides of the conflict and they are often far from fair and balanced.

Coincidentally, I just caught the last 7 mins of this Medal of Honor ceremony from last Monday on c-span, as they run repeats on weekends:
Medal Honor Ceremony | Video | C-SPAN.org
Always humbling watch these.
It seems they're on alot the last few years.

Thanks for sharing, remarkable and very moving.
 
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