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The FACTS of COVID are that it is an East Coast problem in Democrat strongholds


All politicians and nearly all people lie. But the jackass does it far more than anyone I have ever had the displeasure to witness. As I have written here many times no president is all bad or all good. That said, the incessant lying and the pandemic response that cost hundreds of thousands of Americans their lives are the deciding factors that I judge him on.
Who won the election? Is it the jackass or the guy now sitting in the White House?
 
Conservative said:
I will continue to repeat the minimum wage argument until you admit being wrong, the federal gov't has no business setting a minimum wage when the states have that authority.
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You can repeat it all you like, but the it is currently within the Federal government's ability to make changes to the minimum wage. Until that is changed legally, that's what it is.

As for the pipeline you again confused part time jobs with part time jobs for economic reasons believing that length of the job is what matters vs the hours on the job.
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No, what I did was attribute your position on temporary jobs during the Obama years based on my memory of those posts. Since I was going off of memory alone, I gave you the benefit of the doubt. In the case of the pipeline, those are temporary jobs and never did I say they were part time.


In this thread alone I have provided citations which include data from both a red state and a blue state; I kept it specific to the two states you originally cited in one of your posts. If you're referring to California, well let's have a look:




Some additional deaths per million data (cumulative):
Texas: 1,524
California: 1,328

Based on the data, there's no indication Texas has fared significantly better than California at preventing deaths. Texas also leads California in cases per million as well (91,924 to 90,079). Texas has a lower weekly fatality rate than California from April through mid-July, but then it surpassed California after the August spike. Since then it's only until the January spike that Texas fared better.

As for cities, they don't lead the way in growth because they are "blue", they do so because contagious diseases spread much quicker among denser populations who interact more often than in rural areas where that isn't the case. The best example of this is the spread of COVID 19 in rural areas that had meat packing plants. These were rural areas, but the spread occurred where people congregated in large groups.
 

Except placing blame is exactly what you have just done. You are blaming Democrats for having fooled you, when it was your responsibility to make decisions on which political party best represented your interests. Political party policies and results are all readily available, so it's not as if the Democratic Party was hiding the results and all of a sudden they were magically revealed. So from a personal responsibility perspective, the Democrats/liberals/ et.al didn't fool you, you made the choice based on the same information available to everyone else.


What double standard? I certainly haven't attacked anyone personally. It's actually results and data that I have been providing throughout this thread.
 
Paradoxical said:
They don't want to talk about Florida because it destroys their belief system.
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No, they prefer pitting red vs. blue without context. It is truly amazing how there are no blue voters in red states according to liberals when the issue suits their ideology
 

OMG, do you even pay any attention to what you post? Trump in 4 years obviously created all the problems that you feel exist in this country totally ignoring the previous 47+ from Biden. Why do you continue to buy rhetoric and ignore personal responsibility issues? Why haven't you contracted the disease and exactly what bureaucrat prevented you from getting that disease? you really don't understand personal responsibility issues do you?

People gathering make the choice to gather. You don't want to run the risk then DON'T GATHER!!

I learned a long time ago to stop trying to control others and only control myself. Suggest you adopt that approach. You are right, it isn't complicated, it is about gov't control over you and your life. You want that?? Move to a major blue state that has everyone in lockdown. How is that working in California?
 

No, they haven't fooled me as I am not as stupid as supporters as I understand that it is my responsibility to take care of my family not a bureaucrat. I learned a long time ago to trust but verify, obviously you haven't grasped that concept yet.

You focus so much on rhetoric and nothing on results. I have posted the official results which you ignored and I have also posted the 10th amendment which you ignored showing it is easier to place blame than accept responsibility.

I also haven't attacked you personally, only your ideology and supported that attack with data and FACTS!!
 

California has fewer deaths per 100k than Florida last I checked.
Unfortunately where your lack of reasoning is most apparent is here: when people gather they don’t just risk their own life: they risk the lives of everyone they come in contact with at the grocery store, the hardware store etc after they do it. Like I told you over and over again: if you want to run in front of a locomotive have at it.
But you have no right to risk the health of anyone else but yourself without their permission.
 

The reality of the Capitol is that it was Trump supporters. When are you going to hold them accountable? It was an attempt to stop tge wheels of democracy from rolling and install Trump as a dictator. When are you going to stop blaming liberals for something that we know was Trumpists?

None of the riots had anything to do with my personal failures. So I don't kniw why you'd bring that up except that you're using a script.
 
Paradoxical said:
They have already increased gas prices by 20% and interest rates are climbing as well as the influx of illegals and spending us into oblivian. Some success.
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Conservative said:
And when was that vaccine created and procedures in place to distribute? Are you really that desperate to give Biden credit for something?
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Of course President Trump deserves credit for operation warp speed in getting a Covid 19 created and getting vaccines delivered to individual states. Too bad many states had no Federal help or aide ( like instructions ) on how best to get shots into the arms of the health care workers , nursing home staff and residents etc. in a timely manner.
 
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Unlike Biden, trump wasn't a dictator and could not order states to do anything.

Good thing, too, because Florida would be screwed now if they shut down and wore masks.
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Bullshit. Biden is no more of a dictator than Trump except in the "minds" of those completely divorced from reality
 
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America is as divided now than it ever has been.

Doesn't it suck to pay 20% more for gas in just one month that Biden has been in? I am betting gas will DOUBLE in a year hurting mainly poor people. ...
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The price of gasoline has nothing to do with the administration.

OPEC is producing far less crude oil ...therefore the rise in price.

Read the following article

OPEC's Influence on Global Oil Prices

OPEC’s Influence on Global Oil Prices

OPEC affects the price of oil by coordinating supply cuts when the price is deemed too low and supply increases when its members believe prices are too high.
www.investopedia.com
 
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Yes they do but over 51,000 totals, 8000 more than TX which you and the left demonize. Your double standards and placing blame is all you radicals show. Don't know about you but I go to the grocery store, I wear a mask, I social distance and guess what, I didn't need a bureaucrat to force me to do that and I DON'T have the virus!!

Oh by the way do you realize that states get reimbursed for Covid19 costs?? What is the incentive to report flu costs and deaths to the federal gov't?
 
Why would this be a federal responsibility to tell states how to distribute the vaccines? Have you bothered to read the 10th Amendment? Do you even know the official role of the Federal Gov't? Do the Federal taxpayers pay for the vaccine and Covid19 expenses? What is the incentive for the states and cities to report Covid19 expenses?

Liberals have a real gravy train, create dependence and adhere to the statement that you "don't bite the hand that feeds you" creates permanent jobs and multi millionaire public servants
 

And you know that all were Trump supporters how?? Do they have Trump tattooed on their foreheads? You keep buying what the left tells you and keep ignoring the radical leftists in cities all over this country. Trump as a dictator?? Right, putting America first makes Trump a dictator, certainly not the over 50 EO's in the last 30 days from Biden. You going to tell us how stopping the Keystone pipeline, having a $15 minimum wage, and continued lockdowns in the cities is going to put over 10 million Americans back to work? You keep focused on Trump as that is exactly what the left wants you to do and watch your country implode
 
Conservative said:
No, they haven't fooled me as I am not as stupid as supporters as I understand that it is my responsibility to take care of my family not a bureaucrat. I learned a long time ago to trust but verify, obviously you haven't grasped that concept yet.
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Except that's what you said:


So instead of taking responsibility for your previous choices, you now blame them for making a fool out of you.

You focus so much on rhetoric and nothing on results. I have posted the official results which you ignored and I have also posted the 10th amendment which you ignored showing it is easier to place blame than accept responsibility.
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I have been posting all sorts of comparative data, which you then deflect by asking questions about pipelines and the minimum wage. The 10th amendment does not prevent a president from promoting disease prevention protocols anymore than it prevents him from doing the opposite, which is what he chose to do.

I also haven't attacked you personally, only your ideology and supported that attack with data and FACTS!!
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In this case I have brought in facts as well, and you deflect those too with blue state vs. red state or urban vs. rural comments.
 

Oh, really, you going to tell me exactly how shutting down the Keystone Pipeline benefits the American people? You going to tell us all how a $15 minimum wage is going to put 10 million Americans back to work? You don't think Presidential and Congressional policies impact prices?? Wow, that is liberal indoctrination at its core
 
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Except that's what you said:
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Very selective understanding of my post, Yes, they fooled me for years until I grew up and realized results matter and don't support the rhetoric. I learned to trust but verify, something that escapes you



So instead of taking responsibility for your previous choices, you now blame them for making a fool out of you.
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I did take responsibility, I don't vote for liberals.




Right and proposing and talking does what to generate results in states and cities controlled by local government? You didn't vote for Trump and continued to find a way to not do it again buying the liberal Covid19 issue and diverting from the actual results generated.



In this case I have brought in facts as well, and you deflect those too with blue state vs. red state or urban vs. rural comments.
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You aren't the only person I am responding to and stand by my point there is a difference between federal tax revenue coming from the states to the gov't vs the federal mandates going back to the states. Bill Clinton will explain it to you if you bothered to do some research. I will always post data in context, maybe you ought to learn what context means? Why would anyone spend so much time talking about givers and takers of tax dollars without adding context?
 
Paradoxical said:
De Santis could be the next president. No shutdown. Restaurants and beaches open. People happy. Economy booming.
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Think again.

From the Wall Street Journal:

Fearing Covid-19 Surge, Florida Officials Crack Down on Spring Breakers
Miami Beach beefs up rules on social distancing, alcohol and noise; ‘Go to Vegas’
 
Conservative said:
Very selective understanding of my post, Yes, they fooled me for years until I grew up and realized results matter and don't support the rhetoric. I learned to trust but verify, something that escapes you
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Selective? They were your words. To claim a political party fooled you, implies they misrepresented policies, ideas, etc. All of that information has always been available, so the "making a fool" out of you is more about you than it is the party or liberalism. What does seem at play here, is what is the broader trend of people turning to conservatism as they age. It's understandable in that a person's scope and idealism tend to narrow as they age.

I did take responsibility, I don't vote for liberals.
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Yet you continue to blame them for making a fool out of you.


That you can't make the connection between rhetoric and results isn't surprising since that seems to be your stance in general, but it does have tangible impact. If it didn't there would be no campaign slogans, or rallies since the main purpose is to promote a candidates rhetoric about what they will do. If that weren't the case, campaign events would play out more like a CSPAN policy hearing. I didn't need to buy anything other than being a witness to how Trump managed it.


Not a topic I was discussing with you.

I will always post data in context, maybe you ought to learn what context means?
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I know what it means, which is why I provided that contextual data in this thread regarding COVID 19 deaths per million. Post 1,727 is an example of providing contextual data, since I covered both the weekly deaths per million stats for CA and TX as well as the cumulative stats.

Why would anyone spend so much time talking about givers and takers of tax dollars without adding context?
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Not a topic I was discussing with you.
 
I was referring to guidedence and funding to help get the vaccines into arms in a timely manner and in rural localities.

The Pfizer vaccine needed low temp freezers to store the vaccine and only a few hospitals already had those.
 

You tell us who attempted the coup at the Capitol. Considering how many of those arrested have used "Following what Trump said" as part if their defense, I find it hard to believe that they aren't cultists. Trump as dictator was the aim of that group. You are simply buying the rhetoric, I'm going with the results of that.
 
minnie616 said:
Think again.

From the Wall Street Journal:

Fearing Covid-19 Surge, Florida Officials Crack Down on Spring Breakers
Miami Beach beefs up rules on social distancing, alcohol and noise; ‘Go to Vegas’
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right, we need the gov't to be our parent, is that the way you were raised? Are you exposing yourself to people without masks? Stunning how people like you ignore your own actions and personal responsibility issues trying to change the actions of others. Not going to work, you can only control your own actions
 

I don't care what the incentive is to report flu costs. That is not the topic we are discussing. And I don't "demonize" any state; I demonize the jackass we had for an excuse for president for four years.
I am glad you are behaving yourself in public. So am I. Unfortunately there are those who are not, those who decide to gather indoors with friends and not wear masks nor keep their distance, and that is what is the main driver of infections now.
You are assuming that everyone is as responsible as you and me; they aren't. Thats why lockdowns and mandates are needed-to control the behavior of the covidiots out there. My only regret about the mandates is that they are not being enforced as strongly as they should be.
 
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