The experts were right!

[Olddemocrat]

Several weeks ago the curve on reported new cases of covid had flattened and were beginning to decline a little bit. So what do the states do? They decided that the worst was over and opened pretty much everything up. The experts told us it was the wrong thing to do, and recent events seem to have proved them right. The rate of new confirmed cases is beginning to trend up as we were warned that they would. If mediation actions are not implemented soon we are told, correctly it appears, that we are in for a very rough ride.

 

[chuckiechan]

Several weeks ago the curve on reported new cases of covid had flattened and were beginning to decline a little bit. So what do the states do? They decided that the worst was over and opened pretty much everything up. The experts told us it was the wrong thing to do, and recent events seem to have proved them right. The rate of new confirmed cases is beginning to trend up as we were warned that they would. If mediation actions are not implemented soon we are told, correctly it appears, that we are in for a very rough ride.

Do the tests discriminate between CV illness vs antibodies in asymptomatic persons? Deaths are down Due to natural attenuation.

Im getting a case of “Dueling statistic PTSD”.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Several weeks ago the curve on reported new cases of covid had flattened and were beginning to decline a little bit. So what do the states do? They decided that the worst was over and opened pretty much everything up. The experts told us it was the wrong thing to do, and recent events seem to have proved them right. The rate of new confirmed cases is beginning to trend up as we were warned that they would. If mediation actions are not implemented soon we are told, correctly it appears, that we are in for a very rough ride.

Oh well. We will get herd immunity. I’m not interested in stopping my life. Especially since you only care about coronavirus when it’s work or Church. When violent gun toting pregnant woman threatening felon George Floyd kills himself with drugs you people cheered hordes of angry hooligans destroying everything in sight. **** it I’ll do what I want. Your input is not required.

 

[minnie616]

Do the tests discriminate between CV illness vs antibodies in asymptomatic persons? Deaths are down Due to natural attenuation.

Im getting a case of “Dueling statistic PTSD”.

Yes , the Covid Tests know the difference between current cases and asymptotic persons, Antibody tests are different than tests looking for currently active cases.

From:

With increased testing of asymptomatic people results can give the county a better picture of how the virus is or is not spreading.

The Grand Traverse County Health Department doesn’t have data on the total number of asymptomatic people tested. But it did report of the 37 residents who tested positive for COVID-19, 12 were asymptomatic.

Northwest Michigan Health Services, a health care provider in the region, has run 1,485 tests in Traverse City, with 80% of those tested showing no symptoms. There were nine positive tests and four were asymptomatic.

What does this mean? About .003% of the asymptomatic people tested at the Traverse City site were positive. While this is just one site, and those tested may not be representative of the population, it’s still a good sign that the virus has not spread as much among people without symptoms here.

Michigan is on track for COVID-19 containment, northern Michigan looks even better | Interlochen

 

[Moderate Right]

Several weeks ago the curve on reported new cases of covid had flattened and were beginning to decline a little bit. So what do the states do? They decided that the worst was over and opened pretty much everything up. The experts told us it was the wrong thing to do, and recent events seem to have proved them right. The rate of new confirmed cases is beginning to trend up as we were warned that they would. If mediation actions are not implemented soon we are told, correctly it appears, that we are in for a very rough ride.

States, including even California, have all realized that deaths are more acceptable than economic devastation. We can't just stay in lockdown until a vaccine arrives in a year.

 

[minnie616]

Oh well. We will get herd immunity. I’m not interested in stopping my life. Especially since you only care about coronavirus when it’s work or Church. When violent gun toting pregnant woman threatening felon George Floyd kills himself with drugs you people cheered hordes of angry hooligans destroying everything in sight. **** it I’ll do what I want. Your input is not required.

Herd immunity without a vaccine is highly unlikely.
You need 80 to 90 % people who are immune to protect the vulnerable ( the herd ) .

 

[minnie616]

States, including even California, have all realized that deaths are more acceptable than economic devastation. We can't just stay in lockdown until a vaccine arrives in a year.

Really?

So economy is more important than life.

Oh , I forget Grandparents should be willing to give up 10 or more years of their Golden Years life span for the sake of the economy?

From

A new study using a statistical measure called “years of life lost” (YLL) found that on average, those who died from COVID-19 lost more than a decade of their life to the disease.

The recent study conducted by researchers at the University of Glasgow in Scotland, which has yet to be peer reviewed, found that the average male who died from COVID-19 lost about 13 years of potential life, while women who died from the coronavirus lost about 11 years.

New study finds coronavirus can cut life span by 10 years or more | TheHill

 

[GDViking]

Yes , the Covid Tests know the difference between current cases and asymptotic persons, Antibody tests are different than tests looking for currently active cases.

From:



Michigan is on track for COVID-19 containment, northern Michigan looks even better | Interlochen

Not to the truly ignorant who are only here to spread missinformation...

 

[Moderate Right]

Really?

So economy is more important than life.

Oh , I forget Grandparents should be willing to give up 10 or more years of their Golden Years life span for the sake of the economy?

From



New study finds coronavirus can cut life span by 10 years or more | TheHill

I'm just stating the fact that even California has realized that deaths are more acceptable than total economic collapse. We can't just stay locked down for another year until a vaccine arrives.

 

[GDViking]

I'm just stating the fact that even California has realized that deaths are more acceptable than total economic collapse. We can't just stay locked down for another year until a vaccine arrives.

So please do tell, who in your family will you be willing to sacrifice for the almighty economy???

Or are you actually brave enough that you would volunteer yourself rather than your grandmother, grandfather, wife, life partner, children???

Who do vote dies first, to save the almighty dollar?!?

 

[Olddemocrat]

Herd immunity without a vaccine is highly unlikely.
You need 80 to 90 % people who are immune to protect the vulnerable ( the herd ) .

80% or 90%? Lets work some numbers. Say it is necessary to infect 80% to effect herd immunity. 80% of current US population is 328,200,000 times 80% is 262,560,000 that would have to be infected. The current death rate is 5.14%, and we can reasonably expect that percentage to remain roughly the same. 262,560,000 times 5.14% is 13,495,584 people that would have to die to achieve herd immunity. Obviously, there are some who are promoting this idea despite the number of dead required. Madness! Sheer, unadulterated madness!!!

 

[joko104]

Several weeks ago the curve on reported new cases of covid had flattened and were beginning to decline a little bit. So what do the states do? They decided that the worst was over and opened pretty much everything up. The experts told us it was the wrong thing to do, and recent events seem to have proved them right. The rate of new confirmed cases is beginning to trend up as we were warned that they would. If mediation actions are not implemented soon we are told, correctly it appears, that we are in for a very rough ride.

What day of what month of what the "experts say" are you referring to? The experts have made every possible prediction of every kind.

Maybe weather stations should so that - claim that the weather will be between minus 20 degrees to 105, with it a dry, raining, snowy day of perfectly clear floggy sky. Then they can always boast of being accurate.

I will bet any of you that in the general election either the Republican candidate, Democratic candidate or neither of those candidates will win. Anyone willing to take my bet? I will be prove 100% accurate on my prediction of the outcome of the election.

 

[chuckiechan]

Really?

So economy is more important than life.

Oh , I forget Grandparents should be willing to give up 10 or more years of their Golden Years life span for the sake of the economy?

From



New study finds coronavirus can cut life span by 10 years or more | TheHill

Simple. My grandparents matter, but yours don’t matter as much.

 

[joko104]

Really?

So economy is more important than life.

Oh , I forget Grandparents should be willing to give up 10 or more years of their Golden Years life span for the sake of the economy?

From

That's what we should tell countries where people are starving for reasons of economy.

Link you messages claiming that protesting is less important that life.

 

[Moderate Right]

So please do tell, who in your family will you be willing to sacrifice for the almighty economy???

Or are you actually brave enough that you would volunteer yourself rather than your grandmother, grandfather, wife, life partner, children???

Who do vote dies first, to save the almighty dollar?!?

You guys just don't seem to understand. I said STATES, including California, have realized that deaths are preferable to complete economic chaos. It has nothing to do with me.

 

[joko104]

So please do tell, who in your family will you be willing to sacrifice for the almighty economy???

Or are you actually brave enough that you would volunteer yourself rather than your grandmother, grandfather, wife, life partner, children???

Who do vote dies first, to save the almighty dollar?!?

Do you prefer people die of starvation, lack of medical care because they can't afford it, suicide, or just that 99% of the people of the USA are in abject poverty?

How many people do you justify dying so the richest people on earth get richer? How much do you demand that social security, food stamps and disability payments be cut or eliminated. Afterall, money is irrelevant to survival according to your rant.

 

[year2late]

States, including even California, have all realized that deaths are more acceptable than economic devastation. We can't just stay in lockdown until a vaccine arrives in a year.

Would you agree that there is some answer that lies between full opening (as if nothing has ever happened) and thousands of maskless people showing up shoulder to shoulder in an indoor arena (at the full encouragement of POTUS)

I agree we cannot stay on full lockdown until a vaccine. And herd immunity may not be happening from the disease.

 

[GDViking]

That's what we should tell countries where people are starving for reasons of economy.

Link you messages claiming that protesting is less important that life.[/QU

And that right there is the conservative idiology, me, me, me!!!

A conservative at s someone who throws his teenage male hooker an extra fifty bucks on Saturday night, because he got a little rough and beat on him a bit.

Then in church on Sunday morning he puts a five in the collection plate, and takes out four ones in change and believes he's redeemed...

Edit: this was supposed to be in response to Chickie's post #13 but it is just as appropriate for you...

 

[joko104]

Old people living on fixed income and who don't work or hardly ever leave their homes demanding the entire country be destroyed and 100+ million families thrown into homelessness and poverty at like spoiled brat selfish little children screaming at young families: "I HATE ALL OF YOU AND DEMAND ALL OF YOU STARVE TO DEATH FOR ME!"

That is who most progressive Democrats on this forum are and their position. They don't care how many tens of millions of American families are totally financially destroyed and all the death, suffering and lose that will cause. They are 100% "ME! ME! ME! Everyone has to live and die for ME!!!!"

Of course, when it comes to THEMSELVES, their opinion changes. They WANT people to die of covid-19 provided that person is working for them by working at a grocery store, Amazon Prime shipping center, the USPS and - OMG the government employees cutting their social security checks sure as hell better show up for work and die of covid-19 for them. Many old people are like spoiled little brats who throw themselves on the floor ranting and sobbing "I HATE YOU!" because they can't just grab whatever they want.

But you old white progressives forget your orders. Oprah wants you old people to die. The Democratic governors of New York, New Jersey and California want you old people to die and of covid-19. You are supposed to die off - or did you forget that?

 

[chuckiechan]

I'm just stating the fact that even California has realized that deaths are more acceptable than total economic collapse. We can't just stay locked down for another year until a vaccine arrives.

Wait until the wave of bankruptcies hits. 24 Hour Fitness closed several locations, but now has large empty properties. Golds gym went pecs up , GNC nutrition is closing like 1200 stores. J.C. Penny is a wobbler, Hertz, and nearly every other leverage/lease/cash flow operation.

Cash flow is king. China just may have inflicted a mortal wound without firing a shot.

 

[Olddemocrat]

What day of what month of what the "experts say" are you referring to? The experts have made every possible prediction of every kind.

Maybe weather stations should so that - claim that the weather will be between minus 20 degrees to 105, with it a dry, raining, snowy day of perfectly clear floggy sky. Then they can always boast of being accurate.

I will bet any of you that in the general election either the Republican candidate, Democratic candidate or neither of those candidates will win. Anyone willing to take my bet? I will be prove 100% accurate on my prediction of the outcome of the election.

The experts are the epidemiologists and they have consistently advised very strongly against reopening. They warned of what would happen and they are being proven right. Needless to say, I believe them more than I do the inane naysayers on this forum.

 

[joko104]

And that right there is the conservative idiology, me, me, me!!!

A conservative at s someone who throws his teenage male hooker an extra fifty bucks on Saturday night, because he got a little rough and beat on him a bit.

Then in church on Sunday morning he puts a five in the collection plate, and takes out four ones in change and believes he's redeemed...

Your stance is 100% selfish wanting everyone else to sacrifice for you - while you sacrifice nothing.

Stay inside. Never go outside. Then you are safe. Problem solved.

But you are 100% selfish. You want EVERYONE to give up EVERYTHING so you can go outside. You would destroy 100,000,000 people's families because YOU demand THEY sacrifice everything for you - so that you sacrifice nothing at all. In fact, you want to be PAID to sit on your ass demanding everyone lose everything for you.

How will you be infected by covid-19 if you stay indoors alone at all times?

 

[joko104]

The experts are the epidemiologists and they have consistently advised very strongly against reopening. They warned of what would happen and they are being proven right. Needless to say, I believe them more than I do the inane naysayers on this forum.

No, that is what the for-profit science whores and Democratic talking heads say.

 

[GDViking]

Old people living on fixed income and who don't work or hardly ever leave their homes demanding the entire country be destroyed and 100+ million families thrown into homelessness and poverty at like spoiled brat selfish little children screaming at young families: "I HATE ALL OF YOU AND DEMAND ALL OF YOU STARVE TO DEATH FOR ME!"

That is who most progressive Democrats on this forum are and their position. They don't care how many tens of millions of American families are totally financially destroyed and all the death, suffering and lose that will cause. They are 100% "ME! ME! ME! Everyone has to live and die for ME!!!!"

Of course, when it comes to THEMSELVES, their opinion changes. They WANT people to die of covid-19 provided that person is working for them by working at a grocery store, Amazon Prime shipping center, the USPS and - OMG the government employees cutting their social security checks sure as hell better show up for work and die of covid-19 for them. Many old people are like spoiled little brats who throw themselves on the floor ranting and sobbing "I HATE YOU!" because they can't just grab whatever they want.

But you old white progressives forget your orders. Oprah wants you old people to die. The Democratic governors of New York, New Jersey and California want you old people to die and of covid-19. You are supposed to die off - or did you forget that?

I have never once read one of your posts that did not make me wish this site had a thumbs down button...

 

[GDViking]

Wait until the wave of bankruptcies hits. 24 Hour Fitness closed several locations, but now has large empty properties. Golds gym went pecs up , GNC nutrition is closing like 1200 stores. J.C. Penny is a wobbler, Hertz, and nearly every other leverage/lease/cash flow operation.

Cash flow is king. China just may have inflicted a mortal wound without firing a shot.

Russia fired the first shot by putting trump In office...