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He's not a moron, but he is a political sellout and an Obamabot, and I wouldn't trust a single word he writes.
It is indeed fascinating that Krugman antagonists call him all kinds of names but rarely confront what he actually writes. I do understand how it must be frustrating to have a brilliant mind challenge the core of one's ideology and have no meaningful retort.
 

I won't repeat what Sangha said because it was spot on. What I will add is that it has not been established that those new plans were more expensive. Casandra said her's was cheaper. However, I expect that some were cheaper and others were about the same and others more expensive. Of course, that excludes subsidies on exchanges which make health insurance truly affordable.
 

You have to love subsides, free stuff, entitlements and more entitlements, these freebies now are offered to illegals that walk across our border. Soon we all should be receiving a monthly check from Big Daddy.
 

we are not counting subsidies because it skews the data. premium have gone up period. just because you or someone has someone else paying for it doesn't mean that it isn't more expensive.

of course the price went up. if you didn't have pediatric care or maternity care because you were a single guy now you are having to pay for that it means that your premium went up.

subsidies only work if you are one of the lucky few that get a subsidy. if you don't get subsidies like me and the rest of working america then you get to face the higher premium rates.

the ACA is only "affordable" laughable word there if you are on the government hand out.

i am still waiting for my premiums to go down 2500 a year. ol ya i am facing another increase next year as well.
the ACA anything but affordable.
 

i refuted everything krugman said like typical liberal talking points you went wrong because i said so.
Paul Krugman's Truth-Twisting on Obamacare: A Neverending Story - Forbes

yes people confront what he writes all the time, but liberals ignore it as they usually do.
 
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No, his quote was
"Of all the Americans who have been affected by the law, the vast majority are now without health coverage this holiday season"

This makes it clear that he was talking about net of the entire law, and not just net of the exchanges.

He lied about that, and his lie shows that your claim is also a lie. He was talking about all americans affected by ACA, and not just those who bought through the exchanges.
 
The admin clearly stated that the enrollment # it claimed was based on the # of people who signed up for a plan. There is no misleading when what is being counted is explicitly defined.


Again, signing up does not equal enrollment no matter how much you and the president want it to.
 
Again, signing up does not equal enrollment no matter how much you and the president want it to.

Again, the admin clearly stated that the enrollment # it claimed was based on the # of people who signed up for a plan. There is no misleading when what is being counted is explicitly defined.

Which means they weren't enrolled yet.

They are
 
 
I'll tell ya what. Go sign up for insurance through the ACA without paying, and then go to receive medical services and tell them you signed up for insurance, and see how far it gets you. Good luck.

People are paying for their exchange plans.
 
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That is exactly what occurred in my family- old plan terminated on Dec.31 2013, New plan (similar coverage, better price) began Jan.1,2014

I find it even more curious that in the ACA threads, the only people who are experiencing dramatic increases in healthcare premiums are Conservatives and Libertarians.
Yeah, the people who pay their own way and aren't subsidised. We are the people getting hosed. Unfortunately, we are no longer of sufficient number to change the political reality, but there are ways to resist. Making sure all the numerous problems of the ACA aren't fixed is one, as is prevevting the state expansion of medicare in as many states as possible. Personally cutting back on spending even if still viable is another that just makes good finacial sense. Like reduced giving to charity and lower tips on services, little things that add up to offset the increased costs. I figure if I'm getting screwed by the ACA, I'm going to dish it back as best I can.
 

Not really, all Krugman was doing is editorializing about another economist. So you believe in Krugman because he tows the liberal line on economics. Providing a retort to Krugman's opinion is the job of other economists. The problem with liberal economics is that they think the government is what makes the economy work, and therefore no tax is ever bad.
 
 
No, his quote was

This makes it clear that he was talking about net of the entire law, and not just net of the exchanges.

Yes, and I acknowledged that quote was incorrect. I do not know if he was lying, though, as I suspect he just got sloppy at the end. I can't say for certain either way, but that one single line doesn't change the context of his predcition (clearly about those that signed up through the exchange by 01/01/14) and the rest of the quote.

Every single line prior to that very last one was regarding exchange enrollees. Including the deadline to sign up through the exchanges, the white house predicitions of exchange enrollments and the predictiion of exchange enrollments by the deadline that he preiovulsy discussed. You are wrong on the piece about his predicition. It was clearly about htose that signed up through healthcare.gov (the exchanges).

He lied about that, and his lie shows that your claim is also a lie. He was talking about all americans affected by ACA, and not just those who bought through the exchanges.

You want to concentrate on one single line and ignore hte entire context. Here, allow me to bold every single line that has to do with tehe xchange so you can possibly see the context this time:


The entire thing, except one piece about those that have lost coverage and the very last line is regarding the exchanges. He even explains why he used the 01/01/14 deadline for his prediciton - as that is the last day to sign up through the exchange (as indicated in teh very first line). You really need to learn to read for meaning and not just to prove your point.
 
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That article is even older than the one you previously posted.

Even FoxNews says your claims are way off

Over 80 percent of ObamaCare enrollees have paid premiums, insurers say | Fox News
 
Funny but I think including checkups and wellness care without copays is about healthcare.

Through insurance. It does not address actual health care.

Tell ya what, other than insurance and insurance related issues, can you name one buisness or company or industry that was addressed via Obamacare? And I don't mean in how that buisnesses handles health insurance. I'm mean in how they handle actual healthcare costs. Those wellness care and checkups are still being charged and paid for at the same price (or higher) as they were before. Was pharmaceutical companies targetted at all? How about frivilous lawsuits? Companies that charge $1000 for a hospital bed when it only costs them at MOST $300 to make...including labor costs?
 

He made it clear that he was talking about all american affected by ACA, and not just those in the exchange

If what you claim isn't a lie, then his argument would be "millions of americans who didn't have an exchange plan now have a different plan". What he said was that millions now have absolutely no coverage.
 

This is my problem with the ACA. It doesn't do anything to address the actual costs. I was informed by another poster that the purpose of the ACA wasn't to address costs. If that's true, then why don't people acknowledge that? Adding people to the insurance rolls is great, but that's only a section of the nation, and it doesn't help most people.

They should let the ACA stay in place, and now come up with a solution that actually addresses healthcare costs.
 

Incentives for ACO's which handle actual healthcare costs

Increased funding for medical and nursing residencies

This is my problem with the ACA. It doesn't do anything to address the actual costs. I was informed by another poster that the purpose of the ACA wasn't to address costs. If that's true, then why don't people acknowledge that?

That is not true. It is a lie

No one said the purpose wasn't to address costs. They said it wasn't intended to make the costs lower than they are today, but to bend the cost curve down.
 

The predicition piece was specifically about those that signed up through the exchange. The entire statement and not just hte one line you want to read makes it very clear. Don't worry about it. Krugman couldn't find one either. It's why he had to dishonestly claim that an article reporting the facts at a specific period of time was a prediction for the future.

BTW, I still can't figure out what happened to coverage "A" in that other exmaple. It allegedly wasn't cancelled... So where did it go?
 
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