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The election was rigged.... Hmmmm

Shrink726 said:
Never forget, every R allegation is an admission!
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Do you actually know what that case was about...or when it took place?

Tell me...do you really think this is "breaking news"?

I have my doubts you do.
 
Mycroft said:
Do you actually know what that case was about...or when it took place?

Tell me...do you really think this is "breaking news"?

I have my doubts you do.
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Please provide your proof of massive electoral fraud that you have been promising to reveal for 5 years. Until then your comments on voting are not considered credible by Americans and thus are summarily Dismissed.

Bye.
 
lynnwinslow said:
It's statistically insignificant. There is no evidence that voter fraud has swayed elections.
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That is not the point. There is ample evidence that voter fraud could swing an election. It was not that long ago that the Presidency hung on 500 votes in a state where over 6,000,000 votes were cast.

What many don't seem to understand is that elections not only need to be fair, they need to be seen as being fair. It's a bit like a judge having to recuse himself because he has a family member tangentially involved in a case. The recusal is not a criticism of the judge's ability to be impartial. It's a step taken to remove any doubt for whomever winds up losing the case. That is why voter IDs are important. They add credibility to the process. (A step, BTW, that Wisconsin took earlier this year.)
 
NatMorton said:
Weren't we told voter fraud was a non-existent problem?
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No, you were told that it is primarily a MAGA problem since MAGA supports voter fraud if it allows them to win. You were told this again and again, but being @NatMorton, you plugged your ears and covered your eyes and yelled “but Democrats!” as loudly as possible. This brings us to the present day, where @NatMorton, confronted with yet more evidence of voter fraud by MAGA, decided to whimper “but Democrats?” to the amusement of Americans everywhere.
 
phoenix2020 said:
No, you were told that it is primarily a MAGA problem since MAGA supports voter fraud if it allows them to win. You were told this again and again, but being @NatMorton, you plugged your ears and covered your eyes and yelled “but Democrats!” as loudly as possible. This brings us to the present day, where @NatMorton, confronted with yet more evidence of voter fraud by MAGA, decided to whimper “but Democrats?” to the amusement of Americans everywhere.
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I oppose voter fraud whoever commits it and support laws to strengthen the integrity of our voting systems. Do you?
 
NatMorton said:
I oppose voter fraud whoever commits it and support laws to strengthen the integrity of our voting systems. Do you?
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Yes, whereas you deflect to run air cover for voter fraud if a MAGA commits it. Why do you suppose that is? Why do you suppose your first reaction to this thread was “huh, how can I deflect the conversation away from a MAGA who convicted fraud and toward a discussion about Democrats instead?”

Was this due to some internal instinct or obligation to be loyal? Or was it something more along the lines of acting to elicit feelings of pleasure, be it physical, emotional or even sexual? Or was it just a simple @NatMorton habit, muscle memory?
 
NatMorton said:
That is not the point. There is ample evidence that voter fraud could swing an election. It was not that long ago that the Presidency hung on 500 votes in a state where over 6,000,000 votes were cast.
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Please provide links from reliable sources to the "ample evidence". I'll address your fairness complaints after you answer my question.
 
NatMorton said:
That is, simply put, a lie. We both know that is a claim you cannot backup with proof, so why even bother making it?
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This is, simply put, a lie. We both know that your first post on this thread was to deflect to Democrats, and since you cannot delete that post, you’re instead pretending that it never happened. Why do you think the rest of us would want to live in your wacky alternate universe where Haitians eat cats, windmills cause cancer and @NatMorton would never dare deflect to Democrats?

None of us want to. Your made-up reality is wrong, weird and kind of stupid.
 
Slartibartfast said:
Ok, that's conjecture and, unless you provide some data to support it, not worthy of my attention.
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No, it is not conjecture, and it would be worth your time to think about it. The worst voter fraud case in recent times was probably Chicago's 1982 case, were something like 100,000 ballots were compromised. As I cited above, a mere 500 ballots in FL put Bush in the White House in 2000. From memory, something like 25,000 votes across three states put Trump in the White House in 2016. Then there's the fact that flaws in our voting system gave Trump's spurious "rigged election" claims initial plausibility in 2020.

This issue is worth everyone's attention.
 
NatMorton said:
No, it is not conjecture, and it would be worth your time to think about it. The worst voter fraud case in recent times was probably Chicago's 1982 case, were something like 100,000 ballots were compromised. As I cited above, a mere 500 ballots in FL put Bush in the White House in 2000. From memory, something like 25,000 votes across three states put Trump in the White House in 2016. Then there's the fact that flaws in our voting system gave Trump's spurious "rigged election" claims initial plausibility in 2020.

This issue is worth everyone's attention.
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That's just more conjecture without evidence to support your conclusion. Do you have any actual evidence of this fraud in 2020?
 
phoenix2020 said:
This is, simply put, a lie. We both know that your first post on this thread was to deflect to Democrats, and since you cannot delete that post, you’re instead pretending that it never happened. Why do you think the rest of us would want to live in your wacky alternate universe where Haitians eat cats, windmills cause cancer and @NatMorton would never dare deflect to Democrats?

None of us want to. Your made-up reality is wrong, weird and kind of stupid.
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That was not the purpose of post 2. It was to point out the hypocrisy that some people -- and particularly so many on left -- only care about election integrity when it suits their political objectives. If that reality bothers you, I don't care.
 
NatMorton said:
Then there's the fact that flaws in our voting system gave Trump's spurious "rigged election" claims initial plausibility in 2020.
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Cool, now could you do the one about how flaws in our hospital system gave Trump’s spurious “Obama is Kenyan” claims initial plausibility in the 2010s?
 
Slartibartfast said:
That's just more conjecture without evidence to support your conclusion.
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No, it's not conjecture. It's math. There are recorded cases of voter fraud that are large enough to swing elections.

Slartibartfast said:
Do you have any actual evidence of this fraud in 2020?
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No, I don't claim that there was, and this question is irrelevant.
 
phoenix2020 said:
Cool, now could you do the one about how flaws in our hospital system gave Trump’s spurious “Obama is Kenyan” claims initial plausibility in the 2010s?
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Good lord, talk about attempts to deflect the conversation. :rolleyes:

Could you at least try to remain on topic?
 
NatMorton said:
No, it's not conjecture. It's math. There are recorded cases of voter fraud that are large enough to swing elections.
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LOL, that's not math. That's citing a few examples and then trying to lead the reader to a spurious and disconnected conclusion. That's how conspiracy theorists think, through a sloppy overuse of pattern recognition.
NatMorton said:
No, I don't claim that there was, and this question is irrelevant.
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Then you are just trolling for no reason.
 
NatMorton said:
That was not the purpose of post 2. It was to point out the hypocrisy that some people -- and particularly so many on left -- only care about election integrity when it suits their political objectives. If that reality bothers you, I don't care.
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Exactly, see, now you’re even admitting that the purpose of post 2 was to deflect the thread toward discussing the left instead. Why not just admit that your job on a thread like this is to deflect to a different and more comfortable topic? We know it, you know it, so why bother with this whole “@NatMorton wouldn’t do that” charade when we all know better? Heck it took you only a few posts to go from “I did not deflect” to “I was only trying to deflect to the left.”

If being called out for deflection really bothers you, I don’t care.
 
NatMorton said:
Good lord, talk about attempts to deflect the conversation. :rolleyes:

Could you at least try to remain on topic?
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Speaking of which, what were your thoughts when Donald claimed that Ted Cruz committed massive electoral fraud as the reason for Donald coming 2nd in the Ohio GOP primary in 2016? Would you say that his claim carried initial plausibility at that time as well?
 
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