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THE ECONOMIST: “Trade at what price?” (2April2016)

Lafayette

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Unless you subscribe to the Economist, it is unlikely (I think) that you can read this article entirely. But, it seems to be a subject that interests many on this forum, so I have excerpted snippets, which follow:

 
And there is this bit (excerpted below) that I post separately because we keep returning to this same theme in this forum: If you don't get degree qualifications, essentially - in this new day and age - you are giving up on yourself.

Tertiary Education is an expense (like Primary and Secondary) that must be assumed by the Federal Government, because our tax-dollars pay for it. For all comers, Tertiary Education of the public-kind should be run by the states at the lowest possible cost for the best possible result.

However, the Federal Government, instead of buying F-35s, should be subsidizing Tertiary Education (vocational, 2- & 4-year) managed by the states. And the metric applied should be, "The Federal Government subsidizes the state program for as long as at least 70% of all high-school graduates apply." Whether they graduate, or not, is their personal challenge for which they are entirely responsible.

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Living standards have gone up, yes, but more due to increases in technology, than due to the buying power of the average american.

Also, how many hours are we working now to maintain our higher standard of living?

I know that my parents never worked as much as I do. I know that daycare is increasing in demand such that they can nearly charge whatever they want. But those are just my personal observations.
 

But the poor spend most of their incomes on domestic stuff - rent, utilities, food, gas, insurance, etc. Go up a tier or two, and people get the benefit of cheap electronics, clothing, and other imports. That exclusion of food and energy is a big exclusion, and I think it distorts the true picture.

I'm in the upper-middle class, and I benefit greatly from cheap imports. My house is full of them - far more than I need, btw. I'm sure that I could be just as happy with less stuff, the way it was when I was growing up.


International trade certainly makes the overall pie bigger, but that does not mean that American labor is benefiting. Trade deficits are still a demand leakage.
 
Trump is right..
 
Trump is right..

Of course Trump is right

Why trade deals hurt Americans | PBS NewsHour


John Komlos is a professor emeritus of economics and of economic history at the University of Munich, and the author of the new textbook, “What Every Economics Student Needs to Know and Doesn't Get in the Usual Principles Text.” He’s also taught at Harvard, Duke and the University of Vienna.
 

More to do with financing living with debt than anything else, that and skimping on maintenance.
 

I have to agree with that. I know what kind of wages a blue collar person was making in the early to mid 80s. My step dad was making around 50k in a coal mine 30 years ago. buying power equivalent today is 110k per the BLS CPI inflation calculator.
If it wasn't for cheap products and the increases in technology we would be really in bad shape.
 
TIMES CHANGE!

We know that standard economic theory is not working.

Of course it is not working, but we are no longer in "standard time" either.

The world is going through an Age Change - from the Industrial to the Information Age. Which means, ipso facto, that jobs are being displaced and others are being created.

Did anyone read about all the chagrin that occurred when the US left the Agricultural Age for the Industrial Age in the mid-19th century. Not that much, I'll bet. Because it was not provable either. It is virtually impossible to do a google search on documents that were not even in digital format - which is EXACTLY the point I am trying to make!

Times change and we must change with them!

There are jobs that have left and are never coming back. Even the farmstead of the 19th century no longer exists, because agricultural has gone through a period of mass-mechanization. Machines today do the work of hundreds if not thousands of hands yesteryear.

That is the way of the world, and Uncle Sam is no exception. So, what's a country to do?

GO UPMARKET! Which means we need to train our people to a higher category of skills/competencies - where the jobs are today. And that training should be free, gratis and for nothing.

Because that is very same reason that primary/secondary schooling was made free in the 20th century when we realized that industrialization needed a higher level of skilled manpower.

So, instead of complaining about how "unfair Trade" is, let's get on with implementing the solution. It is sheer stupidity that - today - a Tertiary Education (vocational, 2- or 4-year) should be prohibitively expensive.

Here is an infographic from our National Center for Education Statistics, titled "Average total cost of attending degree-granting institutions for first-time, full-time students, by level and control of institution and student living arrangement: Academic year 2013–14":


Which is indicating that:
*The high-cost of postsecondary education is the clear road-block to the skills necessary for our youth to find decent jobs. And,
*Tertiary Education should be as low-cost as humanely possible, which means it should be heavily subsidized by the state educational system so as to enhance accessibility by any of our youth with a High-school Diploma.

Instead of toys-for-our-boys at the DoD ...

SECONDARY EFFECTS

I remain convinced that were we to make the necessary investments in a very low-cost Tertiary Education programs provided at the state-level, then we would be recuperating the cost in Unemployment Insurance not paid!
 
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This is why I subscribe to The Economist.

why so you can cut and paste articles when you cant make an argument yourself? Why not try to tell us what the point of the article was???
 

and what is his most significant conclusion??
 
Free trade creates dislocations but is on balance a positive thing.

yes and this is of course why the entire world has largely embraced free trade. Liberals often oppose not understanding that the more people you can buy from and sell to the richer you get.
 
Lafayette, I do not doubt the net benefits of global trade but annual trade deficits are ALWAYS net detrimental to their nation’s economy. A nation can choose to participate in global trade and choose not to endure annual trade deficits of goods.

Opponents of the Import Certificate proposal are disingenuous when they pretend the benefits of global trade justify USA’s tolerating our chronic annual trade deficits’ net detriments to our economy. We can keep the good and discard the bad.

USA’s adoption of the Import Certificate proposal could temporarily reduce our volume of global trade but it would also soon begin increasing our GDP, numbers of jobs and that would be additionally reflected within our median-wage.

Due to USA’s adoption of the Import Certificate policy, within a comparatively short time USA's volume of global trade would regain and then exceed what it would otherwise be. We (more than otherwise) will enjoy significant improvement of our total global trade, GDP, numbers of jobs and median-wage; (“total global trade” being volumes of imports plus exports).

Refer to Wikipedia’s article “Import Certificates”
And/or
the paragraphs entitled “Trade balances affects upon their nations economies” within Wikipedia’s “Balance of Trade” article.

Respectfully, Supposn
 
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