mikedennis10
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There's no such thing as conservatism "adapting" - conservatism is conservatism. We live in a democracy, and if the people want leftwing statism and everything that it implies - they'll get it. And the irreducible virtue of a democracy is that the people get what they deserve.
The meaning of conservativism changes over time.
When I was younger, conservativism in fiscal policy meant first and foremost that your budet was more or less balanced. Today it means slash taxes and borrow trillions if necessary.
It's one reason I've changed my hat to a liberal one.
No. The recent republican RINO congresses and their huge spending doesn't at all represent conservatism - that was the >>GOP<<. To confuse conservatism with the GOP is a fundamental error. And you really think libs will balance the budget??? :lol:
Could of fooled me that it wasn't conservatives. It sure wasn't liberals who enthusiastically supported Bush in 2000 and 2004.
The issue is not who supported Bush, undoubtedly many did as the lesser of two evils, but rather what the proper ideological designation of Bush is:
- Did nothing to oppose abortion
- Supported the illegal alien invasion
- Supported anti-white discrimination
- Spent huge amounts of tax money
- Greatly increased federal control of education
Yaaaaaaaaaa a true red meat conservative - ANYONE can see that. :2funny:
Did you vote for him in 2004?
The issue is not who supported Bush, undoubtedly many did as the lesser of two evils, but rather what the proper ideological designation of Bush is:
- Did nothing to oppose abortion
- Supported the illegal alien invasion
- Supported anti-white discrimination
- Spent huge amounts of tax money
- Greatly increased federal control of education
Yaaaaaaaaaa a true red meat conservative - ANYONE can see that. :2funny:
I can fully understand why conservatives would want to disown Bush, after he implemented conservative policies that have been utter failure.
"conservative policies"???? :lol:
Talking to you is like talking to a robot. See why the obama supporters are called obamabots? They won't debate - take no account of what yoiu say - make preposterous easily squashed claims like "Bush is a conservative" But no matter what you say to them, they just stolidly repeat their programmed mantras .... :rofl
- invaded Iraq.The issue is not who supported Bush, undoubtedly many did as the lesser of two evils, but rather what the proper ideological designation of Bush is:
- Did nothing to oppose abortion
- Supported the illegal alien invasion
- Supported anti-white discrimination
- Spent huge amounts of tax money
- Greatly increased federal control of education
Yaaaaaaaaaa a true red meat conservative - ANYONE can see that. :2funny:
You keep trying to imply that Bush was elected by liberals to effect liberal policies.
I can fully understand why conservatives would want to disown Bush, after he implemented conservative policies that have been utter failure.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by Bush's failed conservative policies. I'll give you that faith based programing, especially abstinence only is a huge failure, but much of Bush's fiscal policy is pretty liberal. Conservative fiscal policy would be reduce taxes and reduce spending. Bush reduces taxes but did nothing to stop spending. In fact he rammed through Congress one of the most socialist bills of the past decade, this drug bill. I really don't see much of what Bush did as Conservative aside from the social aspects. Fiscally he's a massive liberal. Remember that just because you're a social conservative (or at least use social conservatism to push your agenda) doesn't make you automatically not a liberal. Bush is a big government, big spending, big deficit guy. That's inherently not Conservative. Nor is pushing the federal government into the private matter of a family as he did with Terry Schiavo.
Bush is a neocon. Fiscal Liberal, Social Conservative with a love for force.
More lunacy! I neither said nor implied anything of the kind. :shock:
Thanks for acknowledging Bush and the Republicans are in no way shape or form liberal and that it wasn't the liberals who put Bush and the Republicans in office.
Maybe you can get the libertarians will take responsiblity for Bush. Good luck with that.
Bush ran as a conservative. He promised to slash taxes as a conservative. It wasn't the liberals promissing to cut taxes in 2000 or 2004. He attack Iraq as a conservative and won in 2004 as a tough on terrorism conservative. His work and environmental policies have been conservative. He has supported conservative social policies on science and abortion.
He was nominated by conservatives over the more moderate McCain and Gore because of his conservative ideology. He promised conservatives that he'd slash taxes. He was elected by conservatives. He instituted his conservative slash taxes that benefitted the richest policies. He followed a conservative foreign policy.
It is only after these policies have been show to be utter failures that all of a sudden Bush is supposedly a liberal.
Actually, it's really pretty ****ing funny the way conservatives have so completely threw the candidate they supported for years under the bus and now try to pass him off as a liberal.
Funny, but not surprising. In the worldview of most conservatives I've see here, when things go bad, it's always somehow got to be the liberal's fault. Even when it was done by the government the conservatives put into office.
I called Bush a RINO in this very thread. Again, you sound like somepone who wants to get in a debate with people, but won't read what they say. :lol:
And the suggestion that Bush is a libertarian is a howler, even coming from YOU. :rofl
NOW you're talking to yourself! You set up all kinds of strawmen for what you claim other people think, and then you attack them. You're having your own little debate in only in your own head - nobody else even has to be here! :rofl
Disagree and stand by my post.
Bush and the Republicans were the conservative choice, not the liberals.
I know you called Bush a RINO. Good for you.
AS I ALREADY SAID, Bush was voted for by conservatives as the lesser of two evils - just like his father. The last CONSERVATIVE president was Ronald Reagan.
See? SEE? Someone clarifies a misconception that you are laboring under for a whole thread, and you just brush it off - you don't want to debate, you just want to have a "debate" in your own head.
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