I quite disagree with your argument. The OT also translates several Hebrew expressions and Hebrew language structures from the Hebrew Tanach and Smith just copied them from these OT traslations.
About names. If Smith was not a plaguiarist, then he shouldn't use the Greek transliteration Jesus in his writings.
Please, allow me to explain.
The name of the son of God is YESHUA in Hebrew. This comes from the conjunction of two words: YAH, which is the contraction of the name of YHWH, and HOSHEA, which means "salvation".
You can find this name when Moses changed the name of his secretary Hoshea into Yahoshua. By contracting the name it became Yoshua, or Joshua as it is written in English.
The meaning of this name is "YHWH saves", or "Salvation of YHWH".
You can also find the name in the gospel of Matthew: "...for he (YHWH) shall save (Hoshua) his people from their sins."(Chapter 1:21)
You know that there is no other "saviour" but YHWH, it is in the OT that no other saves but him, the god of the bible.
So, having that the son "carries" the name of the father, the salvation still is from YHWH through his son who carries his name. This is why you still praying to YHWH "in the name of the son".
In Greek, the custom was to end the names of men with the letter "s", like Timaeus, Josephus, Elias, Jeremias, Zacharias, etc.
The name Yeshua (which is derivative of Yahoshua) was the Hebrew name of the son of god. But, the Greeks simply do not pronounced it that way. The Greeks transliterated the name Hebrew name Yeshua into the Greek Iesus.
This is how we have inherited the name Jesus today, from the Greeks.
But, by the narration of Joseph Smith, we can find that he did not transliterate it from Hebrew and neither from Egyptian, otherwise he should transliterate the name of the son of god as Yeshua or Yoshua.
As you pointed above, there are several names which have meanings in different languages, and for your information, the name Jesus means nothing in Greek.
In the past, some people used to believe that the name Jesus was a Greek "translation" of the Hebrew name Yeshua, but names cannot be translated, names can be transliterated only.
So, some people said that the Greek name Jesus means "Saviour", but, such is not true either, because in Greek, saviour is written as "sotter".
Then, we know by fact that Jesus is a Greek transliteratiion of the Hebrew name Yeshua.
Do we speak Greek? No. Did the ancient americans spoke Greek? By no means.
Then, we have the scenario that Mr Smith didn't copy such writings from the Hebrew, because the main name, the real important name doesn't fit in his claims.
We might consider his writings only if he used a similar name to Yeshua transliterated to the pronunciation of the ancient peoples of America, but, to say that the son of god appeared to those ancient guys saying that his name was the Greek "Jesus"...no way Jose.
The son of god had not the slightest reason to identify himself with such a Greek name, and neither with the title "Christ" as his "last name".
The worst gramatical error found in English is the name "JesusChrist". The proper way is Christ Jesus, or Jesus the Christ.
Christ is not his last name, Christ is a title. Like to say, President Bush, or Bush the President. You cannot say it as "BushPresident".
I am not a Mormon, but maybe when Joseph Smith was writing (translating) the Book of Mormon and that would come across information that he did not totally understand. Then he would use familiar ideas and words, simile, like Bees, Horses, Cow. to make situations and ideas more understandable to readers.Is the Book of Mormon, like the Bible, written by the hand of God through men, or is it only just invention of a man who deceived his flock? One only has to open the Book of Mormon and read it to find that the gross inaccuracies contained in the book show that this is not the word of God at all, and that Joseph Smith DID deceive his followers by writing fiction.
1) I Nephi 18:21 And it came to pass after they had loosed me, behold, I took the compass, and it did work whither I desired it. And it came to pass that I prayed unto the Lord; and after I had prayed the winds did cease, and the storm did cease, and there was a great calm.
-The compass was not even invented until 1800 years later.
2) I Nephi 8:25 And it came to pass that we did find upon the land of promise, as we journeyed in the wilderness, that there were beasts in the forests of every kind, both the cow and the ox, and the a$$ and the horse, and the goat and the wild goat, and all manner of wild animals, which were for the use of men. And we did find all manner of ore, both of gold, and of silver, and of copper.
-Cows and horses did not exist in the Americas at that time, and would not exist until 2000 years later, when Europeans brought them over.
I Nephi 4:9 And I beheld his sword, and I drew it forth from the sheath thereof; and the hilt thereof was of pure gold, and the workmanship thereof was exceedingly fine, and I saw that the blade thereof was of the most precious steel.
-Steel did not exist in the Americas until Columbus.
Enos 1:20 And I bear record that the people of Nephi did seek diligently to restore the Lamanites unto the true faith in God. But our labors were vain; their hatred was fixed, and they were led by their evil nature that they became wild, and ferocious, and a bloodthirsty people, full of idolatry and filthiness; feeding upon beasts of prey; dwelling in tents, and wandering about in the wilderness with a short skin girdle about their loins and their heads shaven; and their skill was in the bow, and in the cimeter, and the ax. And many of them did eat nothing save it was raw meat; and they were continually seeking to destroy us.
-The cimter is a curved sword, with the sharp edge on the convex side. None have ever been found by archaeologists studying the Americas.
Mosiah 7:22 And all this he did, for the sole purpose of bringing this people into subjection or into bondage. And behold, we at this time do pay tribute to the king of the Lamanites, to the amount of one half of our corn, and our barley, and even all our grain of every kind, and one half of the increase of our flocks and our herds; and even one half of all we have or possess the king of the Lamanites doth exact of us, or our lives.
-Barley did not exist in the Americas at that time.
Ether 2:3 And they did also carry with them deseret, which, by interpretation, is a honey bee; and thus they did carry with them swarms of bees, and all manner of that which was upon the face of the land, seeds of every kind.
-Honeybees did not exist in the New World until Europeans introduced them in the 1700's.
This is just for starters. You can read more at the Skeptics Annotated Book of Mormon.
I love it. Comparing "scientific reasoning" to one's religious faith. May I suggest a more productive pastime, try leaping as high as you can until you touch the sky. Please let us know how it feels. AND DON"T WEAR GLOVES!!
Jesus is the name the vast majority of the modern world knows Him by, so personally I think it was wise to translate the name incorrectly in the BOM. Also there are 337 proper names in the BOM, 188 are not found in the Bible. The link below Nibley gives evidence that the BOM didn't just copy the names from the OT.
Lehi in the Desert, Part I
Amazing. And he didn't left a note saying why he decided to use the Greek pronunciation instead of the Hebrew one of the name of the Messiah.-Conquer
Why are some of the place names in the BOM direct transmissions of Hebrew such Shazar and Nahom, and other place names translations, such as the land of Desolation. There is nothing improper in this, and it makes a lot of sense that the Messiah be translated into the expression that 99 percent of the English speaking world knows Him by.
Look, according to the bible there is "one name" to which the angels of heaven knee when is pronounced...and stuff like that. Excuse me but in "heaven" the Greek pronunciation might not be accepted but the Hebrew one, so, your prayers have no effect everytime you mispronounce his name.-Conquer
Dude, I doubt God is that small. My bet is clean hands and a pure heart has more sway in heaven then proper pronunciation. If not I have a hair lip friend that's in trouble :shock:.
I am not a Mormon, but maybe when Joseph Smith was writing (translating) the Book of Mormon and that would come across information that he did not totally understand. Then he would use familiar ideas and words, simile, like Bees, Horses, Cow. to make situations and ideas more understandable to readers.
The Practice is common in our time. There are many modern versions of the Bible and there gross difference in verses and meanings of chapters from book to book. Writer alway say that they are only trying to make it easier to understand. What they are actually saying is that their version and understanding is better than mine or your understanding and verson of the bible.
It is possible that Joseph Smith was not aware that European Bees had been brought by colonists, or that horses and cows were brought by Spanish. I assume that when translating some thing, that one uses the language and ideas that one knows. I am not sure that it is important. Seems to me that it is the religious information and ideas that are important in the Book of Mormon.
Some Missionaries gave me a copy of the Book Of Mormon a few years ago, I guess I should read it to find out what the book of mormon teaches. Yet I am old, lazy and probably won't. It is obvious that you are quoting an online site, and not quoting your own experience. You should read the book of Mormon and then complain.
I am curious, Are you a Christian?? No need to answer.
Your scientific arguments are OK, but they only show that Joseph Smith lived in the 19th century.
European Bees were brought over true. But there were native bees, in the Western hemisphere. One native species is now called Killer Bees.
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