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The Bible

Logician Man said:
Can the Bible ( any version ) be used to prove the the Bible to be factual truth? Why, or why not? State your case.
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The Bible is a book of inspired truths. It is NOT a history book per se.......
 
Logician Man said:
Can the Bible ( any version ) be used to prove the the Bible to be factual truth? Why, or why not? State your case.
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I think so...our beliefs about the trinity, hellfire, the immortal soul, the great crowd living on the earth, and the 144,000 were all determined using the KJV...granted, it takes digging deeper but the truth is still there...
 
Elora said:
I think so...our beliefs about the trinity, hellfire, the immortal soul, the great crowd living on the earth, and the 144,000 were all determined using the KJV...granted, it takes digging deeper but the truth is still there...
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Yes, your beliefs came from the bible. Not the same as saying the bible proves itself to be factual truth. Other beliefs came from other religious texts. What makes your chosen book any more factual than all the others?
 
devildavid said:
Yes, your beliefs came from the bible. Not the same as saying the bible proves itself to be factual truth. Other beliefs came from other religious texts. What makes your chosen book any more factual than all the others?
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Actually, they'd have to figure out which sect of Christianity is factually 'right' before they go challenge other denominations - which, from reading these threads & the arguments between the different adherents, will happen any minute now.

Just don't wait up.
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Logician Man said:
Can the Bible ( any version ) be used to prove the the Bible to be factual truth? Why, or why not? State your case.
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This is a very good question.

My sister explained it this way: Many men who never communicated with each other wrote it over many years, but they all wrote the same message. They could not have all had the same knowledge unless God inspired them to write what they did.

Proof that the miracles in the bible happened are in the miracles happening today: If God can make one miracle happen, He can do anything, including make a virgin woman pregnant and raising people up from the dead. So it is not really the Bible itself, but miracles in today's world, that we can use as proof that how the first two humans were made and the conception, birth, life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus can very likely all be true stories.
 
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Logician Man said:
Can the Bible ( any version ) be used to prove the the Bible to be factual truth? Why, or why not? State your case.
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I'll call it out is the greatest book of lies ever written.
Go back to the beginning with the immaculate conception and virgin births etc, them tell me if it's factual.
Anything after that is pure piffle.
 
Tlrmln said:
You have that backwards. YOUR SISTER has to prove that what she said is true WITHOUT the bible.
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The question is about using the Bible to prove itself. So if you want to disprove the Bible, you must only use the Bible to show me exactly were it disproves itself.

You have to read the entire Bible to even start to come close to any possible evidence the Bible might prove itself wrong.
 
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Patriotic Voter said:
The question is about using the Bible to prove itself. So if you want to disprove the Bible, you must only use the Bible to show me exactly were it disproves itself.

You have to read the entire Bible to even start to come close to any possible evidence the Bible might prove itself wrong.
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Again, you have it backwards. The question is whether the Bible can prove itself to be TRUE, not whether it DISproves itself.
 
Logician Man said:
Can the Bible ( any version ) be used to prove the the Bible to be factual truth? Why, or why not? State your case.
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The Bible is a compilation of religious literature, meant to be inspired by God. That doesn't mean everything in it is true. You can be inspired by God and still get things wrong.
 
Logician Man said:
Can the Bible ( any version ) be used to prove the the Bible to be factual truth? Why, or why not? State your case.
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Nope. The Bible cannot be used to prove the Bible right, any more than Return of the Jedi can be used to prove that the Death Star exists.

Observation -> Hypothesis -> Experiment -> Conclusion. That's how we prove things. That's how humans have learned practically everything we know about the physical universe. That method of establishing proof is why you're able to use a computer right now, among a million other technological advances we enjoy every day. Because it works.

Many of the stories, fables, and supernatural "facts" that the Bible claims do not hold up under the most basic scrutiny of the scientific method. That's why religious leaders always focus so heavily on having "faith". They know the truth. Don't ask too many questions, just believe without thinking!

You won't find a convincing way to prove that the Bible is factual truth, neither using the Bible nor using anything else. It's already been attempted, many, many, times, and shown repeatedly to be little more than fiction. So if you need to truly believe in your heart of hearts that it tells the truth, then I'd suggest just having faith and not asking too many questions.
 
Logician Man said:
Can the Bible ( any version ) be used to prove the the Bible to be factual truth? Why, or why not? State your case.
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Be reminded that the Bible is filled with all sorts of figures of speech, and not everything is to be taken literally.
If what the Bible says is proven true - then yeah, you can point to the Scriptures for that factual truth.


Like for example, the Bible says we are superior to animals!
Is there any doubt about that FACTUAL TRUTH? LITERALLY?

After all these thousands of years - don't you concede that it's proven true? We're still superior - even today as we speak? LITERALLY?
 
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tosca1 said:
Can you please explain how is that "circular" reasoning?
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Before the bible can prove it self to be true, it has to be assumed that it is true, thus circular reasoning.

That's not to say that I am claiming it false, or true. I am answering the question as asked. Can the Bible be proven to be true via outside sources? Yes. And in that I am simply confirming the can aspect, not claiming what such proof might be. Personally I have what evidence I need for my own confirmation or lack thereof, in the various aspect of the anthology. I could care less if it is sufficient to satisfy anyone else, because I am not pushing anyone else to believe as I do.
 
Logician Man said:
The Bible says "we are superior" to ourselves? Because "we" ARE "animals!" ( biological fact )
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BIOLOGICALLY.

But - your OP talks BIBLICALLY - right?

Lol - do we really need science to tell us we're superior? :)
Can't we tell it for ourselves? Can't we see it?
All we have to do is visit the zoo. Or, watch your dog do things that makes you say................................. EWWWWW! :ROFLMAO:
Do we eat vomit? Do we butt rub?


I don't consider myself a BEAST.
The Bible speaks that factual truth.


However you want to view yourself - the fact remains that we are superior to animals (or, in your case - superior to the rest).
I've asked you before:

Can you name an animal that you consider to be your equal?
You never got back to me on that. So I'm asking it again.
 
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Dragonfly said:
That you don’t understand this isn’t shocking.
Not even a little.
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No, I don't.
I'm asking you to explain it.


CAN YOU?


I bet you can't. You're all just posture. Lol - you tend to disappear even from your own thread.
This is the part that you'll disappear from this thread......................never to hear from you again............that is, until you deem it safe enough to surface again.
That reminds me of a song. Oh, my little yellow submarine.

 
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Binary_Digit said:
Nope. The Bible cannot be used to prove the Bible right, any more than Return of the Jedi can be used to prove that the Death Star exists.
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Not comparable.
Star wars is written by its author, as a work of fiction. It was meant by its author, as a fiction.
 
Logician Man said:
My wife, just to "name" one.
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Lol - you saying you married a "beast?" Just kidding.
Because that's really what it is, biblically.
Animals are beasts. We are not.

You're playing games - you can't answer.
 
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