The American Conservative View on Immigration

[AmericanSpartan]

Actually your source does not prove that, and Free Republic is clearly biased so using your logic we have to throw it out as a source. Do try and fail less.

Then we also throw out factchecker as a source.

More to the point Operation Wetback Redux will work.

 

[BmanMcfly]

More over how is it wrong to keep out burdens, criminals, threats, and people who would displace American culture and dilute the power of the American voter?

The other aspect was, when it was bring us your poor, etc... That was so that they could have the opportunity to build a lives for themselves and to be free... That culture created a beacon for the rest of the world.

It was never intended to mean "we will feed and clothe the worlds poor".

Also, it was expected that people would be part of the melting pot and become american...

 

[AmericanSpartan]

The other aspect was, when it was bring us your poor, etc... That was so that they could have the opportunity to build a lives for themselves and to be free... That culture created a beacon for the rest of the world.

It was never intended to mean "we will feed and clothe the worlds poor".

Also, it was expected that people would be part of the melting pot and become american...

Yeah, people tend to forget that as well as this is not the early 1920s, we did not have a fiat currency, we did not have a welfare system, we did not have automation that will make tens of millions of jobs obsolete overnight, they think some how we have no right to protect our nation and turn away those that would destroy it, it culture, its Liberty and the people who secured it.

I am sorry but a poem written in 1886 by a Socialist is not going to control immigration and if that upset a few leftists so be it, even better lets teach real American history in schools and protect kids against the lie of the "nation of immigrants" meme.

Every nation is a "nation of immigrants" their has never been a case of people growing out of the ground.

 

[BmanMcfly]

Yeah, people tend to forget that as well as this is not the early 1920s, we did not have a fiat currency, we did not have a welfare system, we did not have automation that will make tens of millions of jobs obsolete overnight, they think some how we have no right to protect our nation and turn away those that would destroy it, it culture, its Liberty and the people who secured it.

I am sorry but a poem written in 1886 by a Socialist is not going to control immigration and if that upset a few leftists so be it, even better lets teach real American history in schools and protect kids against the lie of the "nation of immigrants" meme.

Every nation is a "nation of immigrants" their has never been a case of people growing out of the ground.

The worst are those who call this view xenophobic, as though wanting to control immigration or curbing illegal immigration means that you don't want any immigrants.

But look at the southern border where there are areas that have signs saying effectively that Mexican cartels control land up to 150 miles into the country.

When I was young, that wasn't called migration, that was called invasion, and further, promoting that invasion would be called sedition... Where giving aid and comfort to those invaders would be labeled as treason.

But no, we need to aspire to places like North Korea, where everyone is equal... Forget that they live in complete squalor (except the military and the political class).

 

[AmericanSpartan]

The worst are those who call this view xenophobic, as though wanting to control immigration or curbing illegal immigration means that you don't want any immigrants.

How is it "xenophobic" to keep out burdens, criminals, terrorists, etc from a nation?

If that is the case people who think that must allow anyone in their homes, hell take off their doors for them...Lets see how they love it.

People like that who throw out the term "xenophobic" or "nativeist" or scream "racist" or "nazi" like the morons at the SPLC can not debate the facts so they have to call names as it that changes anything.

But look at the southern border where there are areas that have signs saying effectively that Mexican cartels control land up to 150 miles into the country.

When I was young, that wasn't called migration, that was called invasion, and further, promoting that invasion would be called sedition... Where giving aid and comfort to those invaders would be labeled as treason.

Any group that would defend the invaders and work in their favor are traitors..

But no, we need to aspire to places like North Korea, where everyone is equal... Forget that they live in complete squalor (except the military and the political class).

And call such regression "progress"...Some would rather be equal in slavery then unequal in freedom.

“Freedom is not free; free men are not equal; and equal men are not free"

 

[JumpinJack]

The view of "a wall" and immigrants ripping off the American public is very old rhetoric. George Templeton Strong was a wealthy conservative lawyer who married a rich lawyer’s daughter and was known as a civic leader and diarist. What we see from his 1838 quote is that the one percent has always been racist in the face of immigration and while at the same time condemning them, the industrialists used them as cheap labor. His quote follows:


It seems then that there has been a very old agenda of confusing the issue for partisan political gain.

Thoughts?

Interesting. Pretty strong language. You forgot the cite, though, so we know that it's true and accurate.

I'm French, but my ancestors came here in the late 1700s, I think.

 

[jet57]

Interesting. Pretty strong language. You forgot the cite, though, so we know that it's true and accurate.

I'm French, but my ancestors came here in the late 1700s, I think.

The quote is from college textbook: Major Problems in American History: Amazon.com: Major Problems in American History, Volume I (Major Problems in American History Series) (9780495915133): Elizabeth Cobbs, Edward J. Blum, Jon Gjerde: Books

so trust me - it's true. were your people Huguenots? Louisiana for sure...

There has always been this rich establishment right-wing in this country that thinks they know right from wrong; their version of right, and that their money allows them to determine what's right for this country. It's an arrogance that needs to forever tempered. I'm pointing out that the rich right-wing have always been rather anti American with respect to immigration.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

The quote is from college textbook: Major Problems in American History: Amazon.com: Major Problems in American History, Volume I (Major Problems in American History Series) (9780495915133): Elizabeth Cobbs, Edward J. Blum, Jon Gjerde: Books

so trust me - it's true. were your people Huguenots? Louisiana for sure...

There has always been this rich establishment right-wing in this country that thinks they know right from wrong; their version of right, and that their money allows them to determine what's right for this country. It's an arrogance that needs to forever tempered. I'm pointing out that the rich right-wing have always been rather anti American with respect to immigration.

Yeah its only one side that has arrogance, right?

If you would bother to read you would know we are A. A nation of settlers not of "immigrants" and B. Immigration laws have been an hallmark of America, hell we have had them since before we were a nation.

 

[jet57]

Yeah its only one side that has arrogance, right?

If you would bother to read you would know we are A. A nation of settlers not of "immigrants" and B. Immigration laws have been an hallmark of America, hell we have had them since before we were a nation.

There were no immigration laws as we know them until 1892. You answer in its entirety is fundamentally way off base.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

There were no immigration laws as we know them until 1892. You answer in its entirety is fundamentally way off base.

Totally wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_Act_of_1875

http://usinc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/USImmigrationhistorylutton.pdf

We have had immigration laws in since before we were a nation, 1683.

Maybe you could learn instead of talk about something you clearly know nothing about.

 

[BmanMcfly]

Totally wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_Act_of_1875

http://usinc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/USImmigrationhistorylutton.pdf

We have had immigration laws in since before we were a nation, 1683.

Maybe you could learn instead of talk about something you clearly know nothing about.

Which does so little to change the point that, while I am not heartless, and would be willing to accept refugees, those trying to escape a bad situation, etc... Primarily, we should care about the problems within the border, and the immigration that can mitigate those problems is by bringing in only people that are going to contribute to society.

Take Canada, since they hold immigrants to a standard, and new citizens may not get to pick where they live, if there's a demand for their skills in an area, they will be urged there. There is still illegal immigration, but if those illegal immigrants cause problems they wind up getting deported.

The issue with the waves of illegal immigrants is that, the country has built a large social safety net, and those waves of illegal immigrants are mainly falling into that, and weighing it down.... And that puts the entire social safety structure at risk.

This comes down to the government spending other people's money... The problem with that is that if they spend too much, eventually the economy will be drained of those who can support it.

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Which does so little to change the point that, while I am not heartless, and would be willing to accept refugees, those trying to escape a bad situation, etc... Primarily, we should care about the problems within the border, and the immigration that can mitigate those problems is by bringing in only people that are going to contribute to society.

Take Canada, since they hold immigrants to a standard, and new citizens may not get to pick where they live, if there's a demand for their skills in an area, they will be urged there. There is still illegal immigration, but if those illegal immigrants cause problems they wind up getting deported.

The issue with the waves of illegal immigrants is that, the country has built a large social safety net, and those waves of illegal immigrants are mainly falling into that, and weighing it down.... And that puts the entire social safety structure at risk.

This comes down to the government spending other people's money... The problem with that is that if they spend too much, eventually the economy will be drained of those who can support it.

Um, just so ya know, it's MUCH easier to immigrate to Canada than it is to America.

 

[BmanMcfly]

Um, just so ya know, it's MUCH easier to immigrate to Canada than it is to America.

But also a lot easier to get deported...

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Which does so little to change the point that, while I am not heartless, and would be willing to accept refugees, those trying to escape a bad situation, etc... Primarily, we should care about the problems within the border, and the immigration that can mitigate those problems is by bringing in only people that are going to contribute to society.

That is does not mean you don`t have a heart, its called being smart. You can not take everyone off of the titanic in single lifeboat, if you try everyone dies.

Once again totally logical, why bring in people who are going to take more then they put in?

Take Canada, since they hold immigrants to a standard, and new citizens may not get to pick where they live, if there's a demand for their skills in an area, they will be urged there. There is still illegal immigration, but if those illegal immigrants cause problems they wind up getting deported.

Only leftist object to this...Why does faction support bring in unskilled, uneducated people who need welfare or refuse to secure a border and deport violent criminals?

In the face of facts they have only the cry of "racism" to scream and it is no longer working..

The issue with the waves of illegal immigrants is that, the country has built a large social safety net, and those waves of illegal immigrants are mainly falling into that, and weighing it down.... And that puts the entire social safety structure at risk.

That is what happens when you move the 3rd world to the 1st world, you do not bring them up they drag us all down...

This comes down to the government spending other people's money... The problem with that is that if they spend too much, eventually the economy will be drained of those who can support it.

If you import welfare voters they will always support more welfare, to prevent this you do not import more welfare voters.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Um, just so ya know, it's MUCH easier to immigrate to Canada than it is to America.

Yeah, if you do not met the list of requirements they do not even call you back...