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The Trump New York Cases

Thread #2 taking a clip, purposefully removing roughly two minutes each direction of that exchange, to take the statement out of context.

The point they all were making has eluded even more people than I anticipated.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Thread #2 taking a clip, purposefully removing roughly two minutes each direction of that exchange, to take the statement out of context.

The point they all were making has eluded even more people than I anticipated.
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Context is only important when the right is beating the left over the head with it.
 
bongsaway said:
Context is only important when the right is beating the left over the head with it.
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I am struggling to recall a real argument from the right, using something said in its actual context, that validated the argument being made.
 
While initially thought to be problematic, the Alvin Bragg prosecution team in the "hush money" trial, utilizing document evidence and witness testimonies, convinced a jury of 12 that Donald Trump had paid off a prostitute in order to defraud the people of the United States vis-a-vis the 2016 election. 34 separate charges, 34 guilty verdicts. Without the Trump payments to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal, the 2016 election probably turns out differently.
 
Even worse than that...Judge Judy has called the case nonsense...

 
OrphanSlug said:
Thread #2 taking a clip, purposefully removing roughly two minutes each direction of that exchange, to take the statement out of context.

The point they all were making has eluded even more people than I anticipated.
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Male Adults Mourning Again

MAGA 2024
 
Ganondagan said:
The Democrats' lawfare startegy seems to be backfiring.

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You left out Maher’s comment afterward. The actual case that is real and ought be heard before the election. The one that determines if Trump was guilty of a coup attempt on January 6th.
 
Ganondagan said:
Distraction much? Why don't you respond to their points about the New York trials, which, BTW, is the subject of this thread?
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I have, multiple times. I get tired of repeating.

One more time, then go back into one of the many threads and see the other responses.

The case was reviewed by the ass’t DA who did intake on the case. It was reviewed by the Manhattan DA. It was reviewed by his bosses in the State’s AG’s office in Albany. It was reviewed as part by the administrative law judge of the superior court, before the bar of that court in pretrial motions as part of the probable cause review prior to trial. It will be reviewed yet again as a procedural issue on appeal, where I believe it will be upheld.

When it is upheld, what are you going to say then? It was vetted by our system. So was Hunter Biden’s case, where the same argument can be made. Wouldn’t have come to trial if not for the last name and an election taking place. I’d make the same argument for both cases.

Now ask me to repeat it again. :rolleyes:
 
Ganondagan said:
The Democrats' lawfare startegy seems to be backfiring.
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There is no such strategy. There is only justice.

The only thing that ex-governor Cuomo "admitted" was his own opinion - an opinion that I'm sure is shared by many. So what? Cuomo had absolutely nothing to do with the prosecution of that case.

This entire OP proceeds from a failed premise. It takes the opinion of one out-of-office Democrat, and tries to concoct a pyroclastic flow of conspiratorial horseshit based on it alone.

FAIL!
 
Ganondagan said:
Yep. The truth is like water on the Wicked Witch of the West to leftists on this forum.
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🤣😂🤣

The only TRUTH is 34 felony convictions, raining like fireballs on the right-wingnuts on this forum.
 
Ganondagan said:
How do you think the context would change what was posted?
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Because they were actually talking about cases that should have been heard, as in all Trump's actions in 2020 losing to Biden. If you bothered to look at the entire exchange between those three, it is only 10 minutes long, you'd realize what Maher, Cuomo, and Kinzinger were talking about other cases and other inaction by the courts (like waiting 100+ days to consider the bullshit immunity challenge) to make a point about what case is most important.

And in a manner you, nor anyone posting that less than one minute clip, would actually agree with.

It was a conversation they were having in "overtime," which is not aired with the actual show, but handed out as in YouTube.

Here... I'll help you. Not that I think you will, but if you watch that you'll get the point those three were actually landing on. Not a one of them is supporting Trump, not a one of them is suggesting Trump is innocent of the charges he has been found guilty of, they were all talking about the case that actually matters.

 
OrphanSlug said:
Because they were actually talking about cases that should have been heard, as in all Trump's actions in 2020 losing to Biden. If you bothered to look at the entire exchange between those three, it is only 10 minutes long, you'd realize what Maher, Cuomo, and Kinzinger were talking about other cases and other inaction by the courts (like waiting 100+ days to consider the bullshit immunity challenge) to make a point about what case is most important.

And in a manner you, nor anyone posting that less than one minute clip, would actually agree with.

It was a conversation they were having in "overtime," which is not aired with the actual show, but handed out as in YouTube.

Here... I'll help you. Not that I think you will, but if you watch that you'll get the point those three were actually landing on. Not a one of them is supporting Trump, not a one of them is suggesting Trump is innocent of the charges he has been found guilty of, they were all talking about the case that actually matters.

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The thread is about New York cases. Please stay focused.
 
Ganondagan said:
The thread is about New York cases. Please stay focused.
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No, you guys used a clip that is not talking about just the New York case. Which means you took something out of context and are now trying to confine a discussion based on that clip and in a manner you refuse to watch all of.

Get better.
 
Ganondagan said:
A Georgia trial is not a New York case.
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You’re conflating. Easy to do with so many criminal cases against Trump.

The Fulton County, Georgia case is about:

The 98-page indictment in Fulton County, Georgia lays out charges against 19 individuals, including Trump, for violations of 16 Georgia statutes. These charges include violations of Georgia’s Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, or RICO law, which allows prosecutors to jointly charge a group of people acting in concert when their crimes were in support of a common objective. In this instance, that objective was overturning the results of the 2020 presidential election in Georgia, and the individuals charged are referred to as a “criminal organization” in the indictment.

Other charges included in the indictment are:

  • making false statements and writings;
  • solicitation of violation of oath of public officer;
  • impersonating a public officer and conspiring to impersonate;
  • forgery and conspiracy to commit forgery;
  • filing false documents;
  • criminal attempt to influence witnesses;
  • conspiracy to commit election fraud;
  • conspiracy to commit computer theft and computer trespass;
  • conspiracy to commit computer invasion of privacy;
  • conspiracy to defraud the state; and
  • perjury.
The indictment spells out 161 separate acts that prosecutors say were taken to further the alleged criminal conspiracy…. Cite: https://statesuniteddemocracy.org/resources/backgrounder-fulton-county-georgia-charges/

The case on the Jan 6th:

summary of the charges Trump is facing in Washington, D.C., for attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 election:

  • one count of conspiracy to defraud the United States applies to Trump's repeated and widespread efforts to spread false claims about the November 2020 election while knowing they were not true and for allegedly attempting to illegally discount legitimate votes all with the goal of overturning the 2020 election, prosecutors claim in the indictment.
  • one count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding was brought due to the alleged organized planning by Trump and his allies to disrupt the electoral vote's certification in January 2021.
  • one count of obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding is tied to Trump and his co-conspirators' alleged efforts after the November 2020 election until Jan. 7, 2021, to block the official certification proceeding in Congress.
  • one count of conspiracy against rights refers to Trump and his co-conspirators alleged attempts to "oppress, threaten and intimidate" people in their right to vote in an election.
(Cite: )

Is federal, not state.
 
Ganondagan said:
The thread is about New York cases. Please stay focused.
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??HUH?? The thread was about what ex-governor Cuomo SAID! If it wasn't, then why did you link to someone's opinion referencing his quote?!!?

No - the headline was about New York cases - not the actual content of the thread.
 
Rogue Valley said:
While initially thought to be problematic, the Alvin Bragg prosecution team in the "hush money" trial, utilizing document evidence and witness testimonies, convinced a jury of 12 that Donald Trump had paid off a prostitute in order to defraud the people of the United States vis-a-vis the 2016 election. 34 separate charges, 34 guilty verdicts. Without the Trump payments to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal, the 2016 election probably turns out differently.
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So people voted for Trump even with his multiple divorces due to having affairs, and the "grab 'em by the *****" remark was already out there, but they wouldn't if McDougal and Daniels came out and said they slept with him?

That premise seems debatable at best.

Still not a crime though.
 
eman623 said:
So people voted for Trump even with his multiple divorces due to having affairs, and the "grab 'em by the *****" remark was already out there, but they wouldn't if McDougal and Daniels came out and said they slept with him?

That premise seems debatable at best.

Still not a crime though.
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It doesn't have to be a crime. He's already been convicted of plenty of those.
 
The cases are extremely thin gruel.

Overvaluing real estate and classifying payments in the wrong category? This is supposed to convince people not to vote for Trump? Not seeing it?

But it will convince a few, and fortunately for the left, this election is so close that everything can potentially matter. This is truly the most election of our lifetime.
 
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