I'm sure the partisan Republicans will agree with that.It was the Carter economic and foreign policy plans that created the OPEC reaction which led to gas lines, the high inflation and it was the fear of Reagan's foreign policy and leadership that brought OPEC back in line. Leadership does matter as does a pro growth economic policy. to say that economic ups and downs largely are out of control of the POTUS is probably partially true but was we have seen in a consumer driven economy the POTUS economic policies do have an effect as does their foreign policy decisions.
49, 000 posts to your name and they all say pretty much the same thing.
Democrat Bad.
Republican Good.
That's about it.
I'm sure the partisan Republicans will agree with that.
I'm not so sure that the Arabs were quaking in their boots after Reagan's sale of arms to Iran.
So, they were in fear of him until late in his presidency?That happened late in the Reagan Presidency not when he took over. Seems you have a very selective memory on some issues
By the way I voted for Carter and was a long time Democrat. Carter's resume beat Fords as he was a Governor
So, they were in fear of him until late in his presidency?
I didn't vote for Carter, but do agree that his resume beat Ford's.
OK, and I was trying to figure out why OPEC was afraid of Reagan's foreign policy and leadership.You mentioned the Iran arms deal and I told you when it happened.
November 4, 1979-January 20, 1981: 52 American Hostages Captured in Tehran, Held for 444 Days
Early 1980: Israel Proposes US Secret Arms Sales to Iran
Summer 1980: CIA Agent: Republicans Open Secret Channel to Iran in Preparation for ‘October Surprise,’ Arms Deals
1981: Israel Begins Selling US-Made Arms to Iran
January 20, 1981: Reagan Sworn in as President; US Hostages in Iran Released Hours Later
January 28, 1981: Reagan Officials Planning to Sell Arms to Iran
1983: Israeli and US Companies Begin Supplying Iran with Arms
OK, and I was trying to figure out why OPEC was afraid of Reagan's foreign policy and leadership.
Here's the timeline of the start of the arms deal:
So, how again did fear of Reagan's foreign policy bring OPEC back in line?
Oh, give me a f***ing break, I am not going to debate liberal talking points and time lines with you over something that happened over 30 years ago and have nothing to do with today. Iran Contra was in 1985. Reagan's economic record is the issue vs. what Obama has done and for someone who isn't an Obama supporter you continue to divert from his record and always want to relive the past, why?
Good afternoon. Now back to the topic my friend.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/26/b...nd-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
In the late 1960s, more than half of the households in the United States were squarely in the middle, earning, in today’s dollars, $35,000 to $100,000 a year. Few people noticed or cared as the size of that group began to fall, because the shift was primarily caused by more Americans climbing the economic ladder into upper-income brackets.
from 1967-2013
Interactive.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/01/25/upshot/shrinking-middle-class.html?abt=0002&abg=1
The middle class, if defined as households making between $35,000 and $100,000 a year, shrank in the final decades of the 20th century. For a welcome reason, though: More Americans moved up into what might be considered the upper middle class or the affluent. Since 2000, the middle class has been shrinking for a decidedly more alarming reason: Incomes have fallen.
making the upper class grow. So tell me what exactly is your solution since apparently personal responsibility doesn't exist in so many people's lives. There is equal opportunity in this country and hard work, initiative, and drive still pay. Ask Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, and thousands of other self made millionaires who didn't sit around waiting for someone to pay them more money, they went out and made it.More Americans moved up into what might be considered the upper middle class or affluent
Don't quite understand exactly what you want or expect. Per the articlemaking the upper class grow. So tell me what exactly is your solution since apparently personal responsibility doesn't exist in so many people's lives. There is equal opportunity in this country and hard work, initiative, and drive still pay. Ask Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, and thousands of other self made millionaires who didn't sit around waiting for someone to pay them more money, they went out and made it.
Some people here still don't get it, businesses are in business to make a profit, as much profit as they can. They are not in business to employ people. I was looking for a job when I found my first one and all the education and experience I gained on my job made me more marketable. Too many are sitting on their asses waiting for someone else to make more opportunities for them. That isn't going to happen in this country or the world. You cannot raise wages enough for any liberal but raising wages could put small businesses out of business and have. Seems that the problem with too many is low wages as they totally ignore the expenses of the business and Business's ability to compete. High taxes and regulations are business costs as well
Oh, give me a f***ing break, I am not going to debate liberal talking points and time lines with you over something that happened over 30 years ago and have nothing to do with today. Iran Contra was in 1985. Reagan's economic record is the issue vs. what Obama has done and for someone who isn't an Obama supporter you continue to divert from his record and always want to relive the past, why?
I believe my original point was that the POTUS doesn't have much control over oil prices, if any.
and they aren't "liberal" timelines. The timeline is what it is whether you're a liberal or a conservative. You're the one who said that arms sales to iran came near the end of the Reagan administration, and that OPEC was afraid of his foreign policy, which was and still is simply inaccurate.
So you don't think Carter's energy and foreign policies had anything to do with the price OPEC charges for oil?
I don't know. What policies do you think did encourage OPEC to try to control the price of oil?
The policies that led to the hostage crisis of 1979 and the failed rescue mission, a weak President Carter
So you don't think Carter's energy and foreign policies had anything to do with the price OPEC charges for oil?
Fine. Even that amount is scary. :shrug:
What policies do you think led to the hostage crisis?
A "weak president" could well be the problem, but that is not a policy.
" Gaddis Smith might have put it best: "President Carter inherited an impossible situation -- and he and his advisers made the worst of it."
WGBH American Experience . Jimmy Carter . The Iranian Hostage Crisis | PBS
Weakness may not be a policy, but it defines a President on the world stage, and at that time allowed players in the ME to take advantage of that weakness...So, they did.
"Players from the middle east" attacked our country when Bush was POTUS. So I assume he was also a weak president.
"Players from the middle east" attacked our country when Bush was POTUS. So I assume he was also a weak president.
"Players from the middle east" attacked our country when Bush was POTUS. So I assume he was also a weak president.
SUBJECT: Bin Ladin Preparing to Hijack US Aircraft and Other Attacks
1. Reporting [—] suggests Bin Ladin and his allies are preparing for attacks in the US, including an aircraft hijacking to obtain the release of Shaykh ‘Umar ‘Abd al-Rahman, Ramzi Yousef, and Muhammad Sadiq ‘Awda.One source quoted a senior member of the Gama’at al-Islamiyya (IG) saying that, as of late October, the IG had completed planning for
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an operation in the US on behalf of Bin Ladin, but that the operation was on hold.A senior Bin Ladin operative from Saudi Arabia was to visit IG counterparts in the US soon thereafter to discuss options—perhaps including an aircraft hijacking.
• IG leader Islambuli in late September was planning to hijack a US airliner during the “next couple of weeks” to free ‘Abd al-Rahman and the other prisoners, according to what may be a different source.
• The same source late last month said that Bin Ladin might implement plans to hijack US aircraft before the beginning of Ramadan on 20 December and that two members of the operational team had evaded security checks during a recent trial run at an unidentified New York airport.[—]
major fail there dude.
Yes, I can see how you expected Bush to do in 7 months after the closest election in history ..
Yes, I agree. Bush was a major failed dude.
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