There is also information out there that says he did not lie and did not know he had ebola when he came to this country. It would be interesting to know which story is true. The media is putting out both stories.
I did see a link that the person that sent him home was not a doctor but a nurse. Nurse practicioner? I've been seen or had my wife diagnosed by three nurse practicioners and none were worth a damn. The first one misdiagnosed ring worm as the measles (picked it up on my chest from a bench press in college), the next one misdiagnosed Swimmer's Itch on the wife after we had been swimming in our pond and refused to consider it, and the third couldn't cut out a wart on my finger if her life depended on it. But when the doctor showed up he removed it in a couple of seconds with the same tool.
But if they were recently in Africa that should have been a red flag.
Greetings, MMC. :2wave:
Why would he lie? It's probably worse than we're being told. I find it difficult to believe that anyone would commit a "protocol breach" at this point! If you were dealing with a deadly disease that has no cure, would you be careless? :thumbdown:
'Why? In the year 2010, we had 1.6 million African immigrants. Should every one of them be subject to suspicion that they have ebola?
Assuming he followed proper procedure (which for all we know, he supposedly did), then why would you be suspicious of any African immigrant?
This virus and more importantly it's social implications cannot be avoided
Where do you draw the line? Incubation is 21 days, and you are only infectious once symptoms (which resemble flu) are present. There are many indirect routes to the USA, which is a long expensive way away from West Africa. Why would anyone without a connection want to come? The number of people who can afford the trip is very small, the number of alternative destinations is very large, and effective treatment (should they need it) is a lot nearer than the US. Once more your surrounding oceans protect you.
'Why? In the year 2010, we had 1.6 million African immigrants. Should every one of them be subject to suspicion that they have ebola?
Assuming he followed proper procedure (which for all we know, he supposedly did), then why would you be suspicious of any African immigrant?
"Why is this in our national interest? Be specific."
May we speak of these separately?
1) "The virus. . .cannot be avoided."
Really? How have we avoided the virus up until now?
2) "Its social implications cannot be avoided."
What are the viruses social implications?
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063859849 said:The oceans? :lamo
Seek treatment in the US? Sure so Ebola can be transmitted to our health care workers.
Your rationale is so 19th century.
I know nothing at all about his intellect. My understanding is that he lied when asked about possible exposure. If immigration policies ard adherred to, and immigrants provide accurate information, there should be no reason for concern.And you don't think it reflects very poorly on Duncan's intellect that he flew to Liberia when there's been reports for three months of an Ebola outbreak?
I have no problem with halting immigration, especially from Africa.I wonder what's wrong with Americans today that they can't see the importance of protecting American citizens from a plague. Maybe they're worried that by restricting travel from west Africa, we're moving in the direction of putting a limit on immigration, if that's the case then please put your own politics aside and understand that there comes a time when you have to protect yourself.
A hospital doesn't have the power to do that. We can isolate a patient that is admitted for care, but we can't isolate families, friends, or other people that the person has come into contact with. Besides that, and as I said earlier, the guy reportedly lied on the paperwork that he filled out prior to coming here. There is no reason to think that ebola was here, if the travel was legal. Just because he was from Liberia, there was no reason to think he had ebola, assuming that his travel was legitimate.
Well, I will repeat (once again) stopping immigration is fine with me. My point is that there was no reasonable suspicion of ebola, if proper immigration policies had been followed.Μολὼν λαβέ;1063859883 said:He should have never been allowed in the US because of where he came from, period. That he was allowed to come here, Ebola is here too.
You keep ignoring the fact that Ebola is not contagious when the carrier is not showing symptoms.
The US has treated patients prior to Duncan, and none of those healthcare workers contracted ebola. The matter needs to be researched. At what stage did the nurse treat him? Did she treat him before or after he was diagnosed and sent home?
Also note, the media is known for blowing stories like this out of proportion. A few months ago it was camel flu or something like that from mostly Arab nations, and before that, it was swine flu.
She treated Duncan, the Ebola patient, after his second visit to the emergency room, on Sept. 28, and was “following full CDC precautions,” including wearing a gown, gloves, a mask and a protective face shield.
A CDC epidemiologist has interviewed her, and, so far, there is only one other person who may have had contact with the worker since the symptoms developed, and that individual is under active monitoring, Frieden said.
Well, I will repeat (once again) stopping immigration is fine with me. My point is that there was no reasonable suspicion of ebola, if proper immigration policies had been followed.
I know nothing at all about his intellect. My understanding is that he lied when asked about possible exposure. If immigration policies ard adherred to, and immigrants provide accurate information, there should be no reason for concern.
That would be disasterous. It would spark massive public panic in and out of the US, cost our economy dearly and practically kill our image and influence worldwide.I have no problem with halting immigration, especially from Africa.
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063859906 said:Dressing like this to prevent the transmission of the virus didn't seem to help. Just ask the health care provider in Texas.
Ha! Ask any doctor: Procedures just aren't followed in hospitals. Why do you think medical errors are the third leading cause of death in America? To err is to be human, and no one, medical professional or otherwise, takes procedures seriously enough. The caretakers who got sick weren't let down by their equipment, but made stupid mistakes, like touching their face.Μολὼν λαβέ;1063859950 said:Some people just don't seem to understand the magnitude of this contagen.
With all of our power and might we are never prepared - it is quite pathetic.
I know nothing at all about his intellect. My understanding is that he lied when asked about possible exposure. If immigration policies ard adherred to, and immigrants provide accurate information, there should be no reason for concern.
So either the virus is more contagious than we are told or the worker was sloppy or his gear was defective.
Yup...Spanish flu, Pearl Harbor, 9/11, Ebola...all pathetic.
America has become purely reactionary and not proactive in dealing with potential problems. It's like when someone calls the police to say that someone is stalking them and the police tell them there's nothing they can do until their stalker hurts them. We must always protect the rights of the victimizers first and foremost.
Bingo.
I'm going with more contagious.
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